Sabbath Forever!

[Scott Husted]

now that is the mother of all questions ........


i take it you mean the first sabbath which we are in, and the first which man keeps and by this do you mean all men or are you meaning Jesus ?


only in part yes ... the 70 x 7 ... 490 or 49 which is summed up by 50 as in the jubilee which relates to Pentecost as in the feast in the midst where Christ is crucified, to be honest i have pondered very little upon the 62 weeks and the 1 week .... this prophecy of Daniel for some reason has eluded my studies .... off the top of my head if you add them up you get 63 which leaves 7 short of the seventy ....

glad your here and delighted your posting dear friend

That's very kind of you ...

And yes and yes ...

The sabbath (for me as it does for you) appears in all kinds of forms with the finer points of them being encompassed by the whole, being threads of a garment and always in each end pointing to the tree in the midst of a garden. The weeks (that relate to the confusion brought on by a truth cast down) are relative to Jacob as a truth reflecting the soul of Israel as a picture of the firstborn and from whose side the process of this feast that began in confusion for him finds an end by Esau's face being the face of God to him; which truth Jesus made one in himself.

 

[honey badger]

That's very kind of you ...

And yes and yes ...

The sabbath (for me as it does for you) appears in all kinds of forms with the finer points of them being encompassed by the whole, being threads of a garment and always in each end pointing to the tree in the midst of a garden. The weeks (that relate to the confusion brought on by a truth cast down) are relative to Jacob as a truth reflecting the soul of Israel as a picture of the firstborn and from whose side the process of this feast that began in confusion for him finds an end by Esau's face being the face of God to him; which truth Jesus made one in himself.

i pictured Isaac holding the face of both sons as one son in his hands when reading this ..... like he was holding a mask/perception that came between him and Jacob ... confusion of face (duality) which serves the purpose of raising up a son in His sight to see how He sees ...

everything points to the way back ...

 

[honey badger]

i can still see this picture in my minds eye ... i did not paint it well though

what i sea is a stationary picture from behind and to the left side of an old man crouched in a chair, he is wrinkled and has his eyes tightly closed ... before him dressed in blue stands a younger man bent down before him holding the old mans forearms whilst the old mans hands are held out holding a face like a red mask ... but still a face which comes between the young mans face and his .... from the angle i am viewing this picture you can still clearly see the young mans face as he pears through the mask/face even though his face is also being held in the hands of the old man ...

there is a lot in this .... God sees both sons as one son ... a son divided can not see God ...

 

[Scott Husted]

The law goes amiss when we disconnect it with the reality of this son who God as our Father reveals in us; but even these words at first can become a law ...

 

[honey badger]

The law goes amiss when we disconnect it with the reality of this son who God as our Father reveals in us; but even these words at first can become a law ...

i hear you....

God is not separate from His law, as He is not separate from the truth He is, and seeing this gift of faith is His own self ... spoken of as an inheritance, and an inheritance already given then neither are we as His Son separate from this law which is life .....

but in order to have knowledge of this law it must be as something written in us or better said in order for us to have this law written in us we must have knowledge of it, which has everything to do with identity and why it is for this law to be kept it must first be cast down so that we can picked it back up ...

a law/rest unto death and a rest/law unto life

 

[Scott Husted]

i hear you....

God is not separate from His law, as He is not separate from the truth He is, and seeing this gift of faith is His own self ... spoken of as an inheritance, and an inheritance already given then neither are we as His Son separate from this law which is life .....

but in order to have knowledge of this law it must be as something written in us or better said in order for us to have this law written in us we must have knowledge of it, which has everything to do with identity and why it is for this law to be kept it must first be cast down so that we can picked it back up ...

a law/rest unto death and a rest/law unto life

Therefore my father loveth me ...

 

[Scott Husted]

The beggarly elements of the law is a truth of the/a soul/harlot long before it becomes something we act out on the basis of being accepted; in whom is the blood of everyone who was ever slain.

 

[honey badger]

The beggarly elements of the law is a truth of the/a soul/harlot long before it becomes something we act out on the basis of being accepted; in whom is the blood of everyone who was ever slain.

and why it is that to be whole is to be free .... as long as God is seen as something to attain to we will always be found wanting ....

 

[Scott Husted]

and why it is that to be whole is to be free .... as long as God is seen as something to attain to we will always be found wanting ....

To let this mind be in you comes at the price of (and the fulness thereof) of our own soul, and all there is in it ...

 

[yellowMan]

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

 

[Dkh587]

The beggarly elements of the law is a truth of the/a soul/harlot long before it becomes something we act out on the basis of being accepted; in whom is the blood of everyone who was ever slain.

Beggarly elements of the law? Where did you get the idea that the law has beggarly elements?

 

[honey badger]

Beggarly elements of the law? Where did you get the idea that the law has beggarly elements?

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Galatians 4:9 KJV

 

[Scott Husted]

Beggarly elements of the law? Where did you get the idea that the law has beggarly elements?

Galatians primarily

 

[Dkh587]

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Galatians 4:9 KJV

Read the verse before - the weak and beggarly elements are the ways the Galatians lived when they did not know God - they weren’t “returning” to the law, because before they knew God, they did not have the law.

Galatians 4:8-9

Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

they were in bondage before knowing God - they couldn’t return to do something that they weren’t already doing before

 

[Dkh587]

Galatians primarily

There are no weak and beggarly elements of the law of God, nor did Paul ever say such.

 

[Scott Husted]

There are no weak and beggarly elements of the law of God, nor did Paul ever say such.

By your response the law is revealed ... no different of a process found in why they were going to stone Jesus that time ... something brought about by their perception of the Law, which when quoted in context caused them to walk away by the same law, the law of their own mind ... it is the same truth that drove Adam from the garden or Jesus into the wilderness. It also can be seen in Adam over his nakedness, and the process revealed in a woman who Adam named.

By the same means the Law makes you a debtor ...

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves ...

The book of Galatians in a nut shell can be reduced down to this set of passages ...

Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

 

[honey badger]

Read the verse before - the weak and beggarly elements are the ways the Galatians lived when they did not know God - they weren’t “returning” to the law, because before they knew God, they did not have the law.

Galatians 4:8-9


they were in bondage before knowing God - they couldn’t return to do something that they weren’t already doing before

seeing my post only contained a verse without commentary, it would appear you are trying to convince yourself with this reply ....

 

[Dkh587]

seeing my post only contained a verse without commentary, it would appear you are trying to convince yourself with this reply ....

You posted commentary prior, when you said the law had weak and beggarly elements, and proceeded to post a verse out of context, that did not confirm your previous statement.

 

[Dkh587]

By your response the law is revealed ... no different of a process found in why they were going to stone Jesus that time ... something brought about by their perception of the Law, which when quoted in context caused them to walk away by the same law, the law of their own mind ... it is the same truth that drove Adam from the garden or Jesus into the wilderness. It also can be seen in Adam over his nakedness, and the process revealed in a woman who Adam named.

By the same means the Law makes you a debtor ...

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves ...

The book of Galatians in a nut shell can be reduced down to this set of passages ...

Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 4:8-9 is not talking about the law of God & Moses. Paul was writing to people who previously worshipped false gods, and was rebuking them for RETURNING to what enslaved them prior to them knowing God

they didn’t have the law of God previously - they were previously pagans worshipping all kinds of weak and beggarly elements

 

[Scott Husted]

Galatians 4:8-9 is not talking about the law of God & Moses. Paul was writing to people who previously worshipped false gods, and was rebuking them for RETURNING to what enslaved them prior to them knowing God

they didn’t have the law of God previously - they were previously pagans worshipping all kinds of weak and beggarly elements

So I assume you believe he was talking to different people in chapter 3 than he was in chapter 4?

Chapter 4 as it continues ...
21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.