Romney just cost himself the election

[Thekla]

You got that right! Lord help us.

Indeed !

Lord have mercy +

 

[bcathey]

whats scary is people who are christian/middle class and look upon the poor and are haughty in their status with the same veiwpoint. how could this be? need some more bible study.

 

[NightHawkeye]

And I do think we are heading - in the present trajectory - to a sort of feudalism.

Hi, Thekla.

How about we try to head that off ... and get back to fundamental rights.

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[Thekla]

Hi, Thekla.

How about we try to head that off ... and get back to fundamental rights.

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A good thought - but deregulation just gives a different feudal lord.

 

[Vylo]

A good thought - but deregulation just gives a different feudal lord.

Indeed, you end up with a feudal system with unregulated Capitalism, and a classless society with socialism that ultimately stagnates a country's economy and standard of living. We've seen mixed systems work, we've had regulated capitalism work for several decades, we should be aiming for those.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

deregulation just gives a different feudal lord.

Indeed. Deregulation in/of itself simply leads to rule via whoever has the most might to get what they want....and that simply goes back to seeing how it got to the point where rutheless/unethical buisnesses and corporations and shady organizations are able to thrive alongside criminal organizations who are able to do their best with no regulations. Whoever wants protection has to go along with the picture and chose a gang lord to serve under----with the differing groups maintaining power at the top or taking out any who are a threat and there would be no way of ensuring justice since regulation was thrown out.

We already have seen it where there is Urban Violence due to police privatization in Brazil..and privatization of natural resources has already led to much destruction, be it here in the U.S or abroad in other countries who have their resources stolen from them for the U.S

Blue Gold - World Water Wars. (Full Film) - YouTube


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Rule via privization seems to be the type of feudalism that is arising currently..

The other option, of course, is rule by the mob and that can be JUST as dangerous. The French Revolution often seems to be exactly where things may be headed whenever people want rule by themselves exclusively and deem anyone having more than them as a "threat" to be taken out for their "welfare"...

 

[FreeinChrist]

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This thread has had a large clean up.

Folks, it is not okay to insult other member. Using insulting names for the other side is flaming.

Keep it civil and get on topic.

 

[NightHawkeye]

A good thought - but deregulation just gives a different feudal lord.

Hi, Thekla.

At least you seem to understand that the current system is increasing feudalism.

The TEA party is at least trying to reverse that. Can the same be said of any other major political force in this country?

 

[Thekla]

Indeed. Deregulation in/of itself simply leads to rule via whoever has the most might to get what they want....and that simply goes back to seeing how it got to the point where rutheless/unethical buisnesses and corporations and shady organizations are able to thrive alongside criminal organizations who are able to do their best with no regulations. Whoever wants protection has to go along with the picture and chose a gang lord to serve under----with the differing groups maintaining power at the top or taking out any who are a threat and there would be no way of ensuring justice since regulation was thrown out.

We already have seen it where there is Urban Violence due to police privatization in Brazil..and privatization of natural resources has already led to much destruction, be it here in the U.S or abroad in other countries who have their resources stolen from them for the U.S

Blue Gold - World Water Wars. (Full Film) - YouTube


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Rule via privization seems to be the type of feudalism that is arising currently..

The other option, of course, is rule by the mob and that can be JUST as dangerous. The French Revolution often seems to be exactly where things may be headed whenever people want rule by themselves exclusively and deem anyone having more than them as a "threat" to be taken out for their "welfare"...

(Sorry, still no sound )

The "water wars" are an example ...

And it seems the harder the push on one side, the harder the pushback.

 

[Thekla]

Hi, Thekla.

At least you seem to understand that the current system is increasing feudalism.

The TEA party is at least trying to reverse that. Can the same be said of any other major political force in this country?

The drive to feudalism seems systemic - and I've not seen much in the Tea Party of late to drive against that. Increasing privitization seems the march - and that does result in feudalism. Ie those with power, presently through influence on govt. (revolving door, effective deregulation, lobbying, campaign finance) have power. Making that "policy" (through privitization or weakening the govt.) is just another way of getting to the same end.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

(Sorry, still no sound )
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Gotta get that sound working..

The "water wars" are an example ...

And it seems the harder the push on one side, the harder the pushback

That's the nature of conflict and what happens when the reality is that "might makes right"--no matter what system is present.

I'm surprised that many never seem to consider that any system left to itself as an absolute end without anything to push against it in resistance (or for balance) is destined to go over the edge into dangerous territory.

 

[Ronald]

So how do you envision "fair share" ?

Everyone able bodied person contributes, no sloths. You work or you don't eat should be the motivation for people along with vision, purpose, direction and discipline. Th

What percentage of income tax should someone working a minimum wage job pay ?

I would lean towards a consumption tax. Those who spend more live higher on the hog (nothing wrong with that, they earned it) will obviously pay more. I'm not much of a consummer, don't make much, so I won't pay much. Maybe a straight across the board 9.9% for everyone, no loop holes or write-offs and then a consumption tax in addition. I don't care very much for working overtime when the hours I put in takes me to a higher tax rate and it becomes not worth it.

Would you, or not, offset that by the (dis)proportionate percentage of income paid by a low wage job holder by the reverse disproportionate percentage paid in federal excise, payroll, state, local, and sales taxes ?

I would line item veto that whole statement in the tax code. Too much double talk. I can try a reverse double-twist back flip off a 20 foot diving board? I'd rather just dive in straight and make as little a splash as possible.

How would you account for the disproportionate benefit to some high income earners from federal expenditure for military intervention (overt and covert), diplomatic intervention, international court expenditures (the present admin. has so far brought 14 trade cases against China), etc. meant to and resulting in opening and maintaining overseas markets ?

I wouldn't, I'm not an accountant or politician trying to change the tax code. You may want to ask Paul Ryan that question, I think he has a plan.

 

[Ronald]

I can remember off the top of my head those numbers are way off.

My apologies, you are right!
Top 1% pay 32% of federal taxes.
Top 5% pay 51%
Top 10% pay 63.5 %
Top 20% pay 78%

Silly me I left out a zero.