Originally posted by RKF
To me the bible is timeless...........Until the end, that is the race that I am in, the Bible says that he that endurth to the end the same shall be saved, I shall endure.
Yall always say let the bible interpretate the Bible but your main reference is Josephus, him I don't find in the Bible at all. He was a Jewish historian and more thn likely didn't even believe in Jesus, So I wouldn't hold any stock in what he says any how. Thank you
Hmm...a few things to get you back on track and hopefully motivate you to actually ADDRESS my previous point:
1. The Bible is not "timeless". Every single passage written in the bible has a literary and historical context. Paul and Peter actually DID write actual letters to people that actually were alive 2,000 years ago. Jesus did walk around and talked to people that were alive 2,000 years ago, and John's latest letter, also called Revelation, says in the beginning "
John to the seven churches that are in Asia". Unless I am way off here, RKF, do you live in Asia, and if so, which church do you attend there?
2. The verse that you quoted illustrates the fact that you don't understand point 1, that biblical passages have a literary and a historical context. Jesus was telling his disciples that they will be hated by many of their own countrymen because of their faith in Him. Quoting that verse in this forum shows the lack of your understanding of the passage. I don't hate you, and I doubt that davo hates you, so I don't see why you are quoting that verse here in our discussion. Furthermore, the very next verse in Matthew 10:23 says:
But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes."
The fact that you again quoted half of a statement from Christ and completely ignored the conclusion of his sentence, re-enforces and proves what I already said. Care to explain if the disciples are still alive today going through the cities of Israel?
3. I don't see anyone here saying that Josephus' writings are in the Bible. WWW II is also not in the Bible, so someone must have dreamed up the entire war, or obviously it must have never happened! Non-believers often point out just this kind of attitude in Christians that burry their heads in the sand, and become socially irrelevant, because
certain things are not in the bible. Cancer research is not in the bible yet Christians that have cancer go and get therapy. That doesn't make any sense to me...
4. My previous post concerning the two passages (from Revelation and Daniel) prove the opposite of your claim, that God is aware of our timeline, and that soon means soon, and distant future means distant future. Please address this point...with biblical evidence, not statements that "the bible is timeless"