Races aren't equal in the bible?

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I was reading in the bible, and saw that god meant for races not to be equal. Is this true? I posted what I found out below.

God ‘deliberately divided people into different races’ – the whites being superior to blacks. The Bible says 'There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female. For you are all Christians--you are one in Christ Jesus. (The Bible, Galatians chapter 3 verse 28). They said that this means people are only spiritually equal, not physically equal.

That South Africa’s Apartheid laws were God’s will.

Mixed marriages and relationships are discouraged so races remained 'pure'.

God is the 'Great Divider'. Genesis 1 supports this, in that, God divides everything into separate categories - race is divided from race and meant to be separate.
 

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Avoid04 said:
I was reading in the bible, and saw that god meant for races not to be equal. Is this true? I posted what I found out below.
Hi there!

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What verse in the Bible teaches that God created man to be "unequal"?



God ‘deliberately divided people into different races’ – the whites being superior to blacks. The Bible says 'There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female. For you are all Christians--you are one in Christ Jesus. (The Bible, Galatians chapter 3 verse 28). They said that this means people are only spiritually equal, not physically equal.

God is spirit and He looks upon the heart, not the skin color.


~serapha~
 
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Technically, races dont exist. We are all homo sapiens. All people belong to ONE SPECIES. We can reproduce with each other.

The so called races came about because of climate. Black people have more melanin in their skin to protect from stronger sun closer to the equator, for one example.

When people started to migrate and explore, different people got together and mixed. Interracial relationships are not sin. Whites are NOT superior to blacks. Blacks are NOT superior to Whites. Race is not the same as culture or way of life.

Apatheid was an evil thing. It destroyed families and treated people like animals. It was an example of the worst of humanity. When does the ability to enslave and destroy prove moral superiority? Why do racialists use violence to prove that they are better than others? Anyone can commit violence; it has nothing to do with moral superiority.

I am mixed, I do not feel inferior because I am so. I am a human being, a homo sapiens just like everyone else. I have emotions, dreams and plans for my life. I go through life's trials and joys and learn and do things like other people do. Race should not be an issue. What matters is the character of a person; what is inside and how a person acts.

I quit a religion I belonged to, Asatru, because of this racialist nonsense. The people were so paranoid, thinking that all people of colour were after them and they had to group together to protect and preserve the white race. One gets tired of that after a while. The White race isn't threatened; most people date and marry and have children within their own ethnic group. What this paranoia comes from is pure fear of the unknown and strange.

Sometimes I wish that aliens from another planet would come here to Earth in large numbers. On that day all racialist nonsense would end. We would then realize we are all one species.

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Avoid04 said:
I was reading in the bible, and saw that god meant for races not to be equal. Is this true? I posted what I found out below.

God ‘deliberately divided people into different races’ – the whites being superior to blacks.

That South Africa’s Apartheid laws were God’s will.

Mixed marriages and relationships are discouraged so races remained 'pure'.

God is the 'Great Divider'. Genesis 1 supports this, in that, God divides everything into separate categories - race is divided from race and meant to be separate.

Where in the Bible does it say that God intended that races should not be equal?

Where in the Bible is the notion of keeping races pure?

In Genesis I God created animals and birds etc. by catagory, but He did not ordain that they not interact or that they stay in seperate realms - indeed, he made birds that swim and fish that "fly"!

Are you reading from a particular translation, or are you reading what some people have said the Bible teaches?
 
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I am allowing this to proceed only because the OP put forth a question as to what the Bible says on this subject.
Discuss why it is not Biblical.
I am afraid the rules state that this will be a one sided discussion. Be aware that if someone responds with even a hint that racism is ok, the thread will be immedately trashed under rule 4:

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Avoid04 said:
I was reading in the bible, and saw that god meant for races not to be equal. Is this true? I posted what I found out below.

Scripture never says once that the races are not be to be equal, lets have a look at creation shall we?

[bible]Genesis 1:26-27[/bible]

Now it says humans were created in God's image, unto his likeness, not equal with God of course, but nothing implying that any dividing lines should exist among different races.

[bible]Genesis 1:28[/bible]

We are all descended from Adam and Eve, and later on from Noah. The racial divisons are an addition of man, and nowhere in God's plan at all. This is from the begining of time, the first chapter of history.

God ‘deliberately divided people into different races’ – the whites being superior to blacks.

You found this in scripture? You have got to be kidding, it's not there, it doesn't exist, not even a hint of anything like this. The first passage used to validate this blasphemous view is:

[bible]Genesis 11:1-9[/bible]

The problem with using this passge is that race is never mentioned, it is never even implied. In fact everyone obviously spoke the same language, and lived together and intermingled. Their sin, the one that caused the seperation, was pride. Verse 6 is clear, "behold they are ONE people", the seperation that happened here was stictly based on language and nothing else. Race is never mentioned, much less implied. It states clearly that they were one people, nothing more and certainly nothing less!

The next verses commonly used to support this false doctrine are:

[bible]Deuteronomy 7:3[/bible]
[bible]1 Kings 11:2[/bible]
[bible]Nehemiah 13:25[/bible]

Notice how these are all single verses, with no context whatsoever. The first verse is clarified directly afterwards in the next verse in the passage where is states this is concerning turning away from God, it says not one thing about races. This is true of course as lines were drawn muchly according to religion at this time, they were not drawn by skin color.

The second verse clarifies itself, without even looking at other verses in the passage. Again it about turning away from God.

The third verse actually makes you read two whole verses farther to get the context, and suprise, it is again about turning away from God!

Also of note here if you were to look at a map of the time you would see that the people's refered to in all of these chapters were quite likely even the same color. This all takes place in one rather small area, the admonitions in these passages are about nationalities and races. Also of note is that the New Testament supports this reading of these passages:

[bible]2 Corinthians 6:14[/bible]

And finally the third most popular verse used to promote this fallacy is:

[bible]Numbers 12:10[/bible]

I love the irony in this one. But you have to know the history to have the irony. Miriam was Ethiopian, as black as night. When God showed his disapproval he struck her white. Now here is the really funny part, the part that makes me snicker when people try to use this verse. They miss what caused her to be white altogether. It was leprousy. The rest of the passage tells us she was exiled for 7 days and then allowed back into camp. What can we glean from this?

1. God healed her over the course of the seven days, otherwise they wouldn't have let her back in the camp.
2. What would have happened when she was healed? Her skin would no longer be white, because the color is caused by the disease.

So this is nothing to do with race at all, it is much deeper and goes into a single man's refusal to obey God. The irony is where the cursed person in the story is the one that is changed to white!

The Bible says 'There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female. For you are all Christians--you are one in Christ Jesus. (The Bible, Galatians chapter 3 verse 28). They said that this means people are only spiritually equal, not physically equal.

Here is where I start to wonder about your post. You said you found these things while reading the Bible, and here you say "They said...". Who are they? I think I know, but please humor me. Galations 3, in fact most of Galations as well, was dealing with the teachings at the time that the Law was still binding on Christians. Galations states very firmly in many places that we are indeed no longer under the Law. Oddly enough this removes the marriage restrictions that might make a case for seperation.

That South Africa’s Apartheid laws were God’s will.

How can you support this with scripture? I seriously doubt that Nelson Mandela and South Africa are mentioned in scripture at all. There are many times in scripture where people don't get what God told them his will was for them because they screwed it up. Just because laws are in place does not mean that they are God's will.

Mixed marriages and relationships are discouraged so races remained 'pure'.

I already quoted the scripture that is used to "prove" this argument. It was not so the race remained pure, it was so that the religion remained pure. In fact any people in a counquered nation that would convert were accepted as citizens once their conversion was complete and there were no restricitions on marriage within the nation. This alone disproves this assertion.

God is the 'Great Divider'. Genesis 1 supports this, in that, God divides everything into separate categories - race is divided from race and meant to be separate.

Race is never divided in Genesis 1, in fact MAN is a whole category unto himself. There are no other divisions listed. We are seperated indeed, from the animals, from the angels, and once saved from the world, but never in scripture are we seperated by race!

The doctrines in the OP are directly from the Christian Identity movement. A movement that is decidedly racist and not very Christian. I know, I was once a part of this. This is deadly doctrine and has led to more hate than you can possibly imagine. If anyone would like to know more about it PM me and I will link you to some websties that talk on the teachings of these false teachers.
 
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Avoid04 said:
God is the 'Great Divider'. Genesis 1 supports this, in that, God divides everything into separate categories - race is divided from race and meant to be separate.

Nope. There are not different races, and the Bible never uses the term "race" except in the sense of a running contest. In fact, Peter said "Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him." (Acts 10:34-35) What God did in Genesis 11 was divide LANGUAGES, because he had commanded man to fill the entire earth, but man was rebelling and trying to stay in one little spot - so he divded their languages so they'd be forced to obey him by their not being able to understand each other.

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Mixed marriages and relationships are discouraged so races remained 'pure'.

Nope. Mixed marriages between religions were discouraged to keep God's religion pure. "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers [that is, don't marry them]: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people." (2 Cor 6:14-16)

The only mentions of the word "race" in the Bible:

(Psa 19:5 KJV) Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

(Eccl 9:11 KJV) I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

(1 Cor 9:24 KJV) Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

(Heb 12:1 KJV) Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,​
 
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