Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?

[reddogs]

The Bible is quite silent on Sunday sacredness, in fact its not there, so those who claim they follow 'Solo Scriptura' or the "Bible Only" Protestant Churches contradict themselves by observing it as a replacement for the Sabbath. Many say that the reason it is held as the day of worship is since Jesus rose on the first day, or because the Holy Spirit was given to the early church on the Day of Pentecost, or that Paul broke bread and ate on the first day at Troas, or had offering brought to him on the first day to take to those suffering in Jerusalem. But history and logic verify that none of the arguments are valid. Nowhere it the Bible does it declare Sunday sacredness, or is the day of worship changed by Christ or the Apostles.

Many Christians believe and teach that Sunday is the "Christian sabbath" or that a change was made by God to the Sunday observance, but scripture says nothing on this. Now lets look at how the belief was held by the Reformers as they knew Sunday sacredness was not scriptural.....

The Reformers held that Sunday observance was not juris divini (of divine law), but only quasi juris divini (of semidivine law); yet they did would not allow that the claim that it could be changed and appointed by the authority of the Roman Catholic church (Augsburg Confession of 1536, part 2, art. 7, "Of Ecclesiastical Power"). However the Protestant churches held to the idea of Sunday sacredness, and followed the Catholic practice of Sunday observance. This is not found in the Bible, and Christ confirmed that as Creator He made the Sabbath for man, and He kept the Sabbath:

Mark 2:27-28 King James Version (KJV)
"27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath."

Christ observed the Sabbath and He set an example for us to follow:

Luke 4:16 King James Version (KJV)
"16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."

The practice of observing the first day of the week as Sabbath has no sanction either in Christ or in the New Testament. Jesus kept the Sabbath and He went to on Sabbath to the synagogue to worship, and nowhere does scripture have anything contesting this. We find it in many text:

Luke 4:17 King James Version (KJV)
"17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,"

The Sabbath was not only for going to church in order to worship but also to hear God’s Word. On the Sabbath day we find Christ in His mission to teach, to relieve the oppressed, to heal every kind of disease, and to restore those who are brokenhearted and without hope. And Christ did even more:

Luke 4:31-41 King James Version (KJV)
"31 And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.
32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.
33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
34 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
35 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.
36 And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out.
37 And the fame of him went out into every place of the country round about.
38 And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.
39 And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she arose and ministered unto them.
40 Now when the sun was setting, all they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them.
41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ."

We also see how on the Sabbath day Christ handled the demon-possessed man who confronted Jesus, and He rebuked the evil angels just as He rebuked the Devil himself.

Mathew 4:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
"1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

Notice He states "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve", worship is important. Now much of the Christian world reverences Sunday or holds to Sunday sacredness, but did God know that this attempt to change His holy Sabbath would occur? Lets look:

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. " Daniel 7:25

"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." Acts 20:28-30

God predicted that from within the church itself, there would arise men who would attempt to change what He had set from Creation and His holy law. So the prophecy has shown to be true, and it has come to about as the Sabbath and those who kept it were swept away, and a substitute put in.

 

[daq]

The Bible is quite silent on Sunday sacredness, in fact its not there, so those who claim they follow 'Solo Scriptura' or the "Bible Only" Protestant Churches contradict themselves by observing it as a replacement for the Sabbath. Many say that the reason it is held as the day of worship is since Jesus rose on the first day, or because the Holy Spirit was given to the early church on the Day of Pentecost, or that Paul broke bread and ate on the first day at Troas, or had offering brought to him on the first day to take to those suffering in Jerusalem. But history and logic verify that none of the arguments are valid. Nowhere it the Bible does it declare Sunday sacredness, or is the day of worship changed by Christ or the Apostles.

Many Christians believe and teach that Sunday is the "Christian sabbath" or that a change was made by God to the Sunday observance, but scripture says nothing on this. Now lets look at how the belief was held by the Reformers as they knew Sunday sacredness was not scriptural.....

The Reformers held that Sunday observance was not juris divini (of divine law), but only quasi juris divini (of semidivine law); yet they did would not allow that the claim that it could be changed and appointed by the authority of the Roman Catholic church (Augsburg Confession of 1536, part 2, art. 7, "Of Ecclesiastical Power"). However the Protestant churches held to the idea of Sunday sacredness, and followed the Catholic practice of Sunday observance. This is not found in the Bible, and Christ confirmed that as Creator He made the Sabbath for man, and He kept the Sabbath:

Mark 2:27-28 King James Version (KJV)
"27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath."

Christ observed the Sabbath and He set an example for us to follow:

Luke 4:16 King James Version (KJV)
"16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."

The practice of observing the first day of the week as Sabbath has no sanction either in Christ or in the New Testament. Jesus kept the Sabbath and He went to on Sabbath to the synagogue to worship, and nowhere does scripture have anything contesting this. We find it in many text:

Luke 4:17 King James Version (KJV)
"17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,"

The Sabbath was not only for going to church in order to worship but also to hear God’s Word. On the Sabbath day we find Christ in His mission to teach, to relieve the oppressed, to heal every kind of disease, and to restore those who are brokenhearted and without hope. And Christ did even more:

Luke 4:31-41 King James Version (KJV)
"31 And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.
32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.
33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
34 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
35 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.
36 And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out.
37 And the fame of him went out into every place of the country round about.
38 And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.
39 And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she arose and ministered unto them.
40 Now when the sun was setting, all they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them.
41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ."

We also see how on the Sabbath day Christ handled the demon-possessed man who confronted Jesus, and He rebuked the evil angels just as He rebuked the Devil himself.

Mathew 4:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
"1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

Notice He states "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve", worship is important. Now much of the Christian world reverences Sunday or holds to Sunday sacredness, but did God know that this attempt to change His holy Sabbath would occur? Lets look:

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. " Daniel 7:25

"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." Acts 20:28-30

God predicted that from within the church itself, there would arise men who would attempt to change what He had set from Creation and His holy law. So the prophecy has shown to be true, and it has come to about as the Sabbath and those who kept it were swept away, and a substitute put in.

Sorry to say it but it is probably not wise for the SDA to frame such an argument around Daniel 7:25. The reason why is because the Shabbat of creation is the Shabbat hour of the sacred calendar day and occurs in every day of the world for as long as the earth and the world endure. This can be proven from the scripture, and especially the Brit Hadashah, (Renewed Covenant writings of the Gospel accounts and the Apostles), by comparing those writings with the Septuagint which is the most commonly quoted text therein.

Moreover the daily Shabbat hour does not void out the weekly Shabbat, rather, it is the prototype and foundational precept or principle from which the weekly full day of the Shabbat is derived. If therefore the SDA's do not observe this daily Shabbat hour, which is the Shabbat of creation, then they have three fingers pointing back at them based on their own understanding and interpretation of Daniel 7:25 when they use that passage and interpretation of it to point the finger at others.

A beginning example is found in your quote from Luke 4 where the day of the Shabbat is found in a phrase where day is in a singular form while Shabbat is in a plural form, revealing from the OG LXX-Septuagint that it is indeed the full day of the weekly Shabbat, for the weekly Shabbat is always written in a plural form in the OG LXX-Septuagint.

You can see this reality in some of the strictly literal word-for-word translations:

Luke 4:16 LSV
16 And He came to Nazareth, where He has been brought up, and He went in, according to His custom, on the day of the Sabbaths, into the synagogue, and stood up to read;

Luke 4:16 SLT
16 And he came to Nazareth where he was brought up, and he went in, as was the custom to him in the day of the sabbaths, into the assembly, and stood up to read.

The plural form in the above is "εν τη ημερα των σαββατων", and ημερα (day) is singular while των σαββατων is plural. Why is this so? Because that is how it is in the OG LXX concerning the weekly Shabbat. Why is it that way in the OG LXX? Because the full day of the weekly Shabbat is not just a single Shabbat but likened to a day containing a plural of mini-Shabbat hours throughout the full day. Why would that be? because Yom is Light, and therefore a yom can be a day, or a year, or even a thousand years, as taught in various other passages in the scripture: so whenever yom is employed as an encrement of time it may be any encrement of time, depending on the surrounding context.

However if a yom can be a day, or a year, or even a thoiusand years, then yom can surely also be an hour, and thus there is a singular Shabbat hour in every day of the week: and it is the seventh hour of the sacred calendar day, which is taught in the opening creation account. Those who rendered the Torah portions of the LXX were Kohanim, (Priests), and the Torah portion is the oldest because it was rendered first, (beginning approximately circa 280 BC). Those who rendered the Torah section of the LXX-Septuagint therefore surely knew the sacred calendar day better than anyone else: for they served according to their courses and families and orders, and according to that same sacred calendar day in all their appointed times, in the feasts, oblations, sacrifices, and in all their duties and services at temple, year-in, year-out.

Luke 4:16 N/A-W/H
16 και ηλθεν εις ναζαρα ου ην τεθραμμενος και εισηλθεν κατα το ειωθος αυτω εν τη ημερα των σαββατων εις την συναγωγην και ανεστη αναγνωναι

Exodus 20:8 OG LXX
8 μνησθητι την ημεραν των σαββατων αγιαζειν αυτην

These both say the same as far as using a singular form for day with a plural form for the Shabbat: and that is because they both speak of the weekly full day of the Shabbat wherein every hour of the day is likened to a mini-Shabbat hour within the greater full day of the weekly Shabbat.

Moreover take note that των σαββατων is the greater part of other passage statements which you have referrenced or quoted, concerning the so-called "first day of the week", which is a highly suspect rendering of μια των σαββατων because of these things herein above.

 

[reddogs]

Sorry to say it but it is probably not wise for the SDA to frame such an argument around Daniel 7:25. The reason why is because the Shabbat of creation is the Shabbat hour of the sacred calendar day and occurs in every day of the world for as long as the earth and the world endure. This can be proven from the scripture, and especially the Brit Hadashah, (Renewed Covenant writings of the Gospel accounts and the Apostles), by comparing those writings with the Septuagint which is the most commonly quoted text therein.

Moreover the daily Shabbat hour does not void out the weekly Shabbat, rather, it is the prototype and foundational precept or principle from which the weekly full day of the Shabbat is derived. If therefore the SDA's do not observe this daily Shabbat hour, which is the Shabbat of creation, then they have three fingers pointing back at them based on their own understanding and interpretation of Daniel 7:25 when they use that passage and interpretation of it to point the finger at others.

A beginning example is found in your quote from Luke 4 where the day of the Shabbat is found in a phrase where day is in a singular form while Shabbat is in a plural form, revealing from the OG LXX-Septuagint that it is indeed the full day of the weekly Shabbat, for the weekly Shabbat is always written in a plural form in the OG LXX-Septuagint.

You can see this reality in some of the strictly literal word-for-word translations:

Luke 4:16 LSV
16 And He came to Nazareth, where He has been brought up, and He went in, according to His custom, on the day of the Sabbaths, into the synagogue, and stood up to read;

Luke 4:16 SLT
16 And he came to Nazareth where he was brought up, and he went in, as was the custom to him in the day of the sabbaths, into the assembly, and stood up to read.

The plural form in the above is "εν τη ημερα των σαββατων", and ημερα (day) is singular while των σαββατων is plural. Why is this so? Because that is how it is in the OG LXX concerning the weekly Shabbat. Why is it that way in the OG LXX? Because the full day of the weekly Shabbat is not just a single Shabbat but likened to a day containing a plural of mini-Shabbat hours throughout the full day. Why would that be? because Yom is Light, and therefore a yom can be a day, or a year, or even a thousand years, as taught in various other passages in the scripture: so whenever yom is employed as an encrement of time it may be any encrement of time, depending on the surrounding context.

However if a yom can be a day, or a year, or even a thoiusand years, then yom can surely also be an hour, and thus there is a singular Shabbat hour in every day of the week: and it is the seventh hour of the sacred calendar day, which is taught in the opening creation account. Those who rendered the Torah portions of the LXX were Kohanim, (Priests), and the Torah portion is the oldest because it was rendered first, (beginning approximately circa 280 BC). Those who rendered the Torah section of the LXX-Septuagint therefore surely knew the sacred calendar day better than anyone else: for they served according to their courses and families and orders, and according to that same sacred calendar day in all their appointed times, in the feasts, oblations, sacrifices, and in all their duties and services at temple, year-in, year-out.

Luke 4:16 N/A-W/H
16 και ηλθεν εις ναζαρα ου ην τεθραμμενος και εισηλθεν κατα το ειωθος αυτω εν τη ημερα των σαββατων εις την συναγωγην και ανεστη αναγνωναι

Exodus 20:8 OG LXX
8 μνησθητι την ημεραν των σαββατων αγιαζειν αυτην

These both say the same as far as using a singular form for day with a plural form for the Shabbat: and that is because they both speak of the weekly full day of the Shabbat wherein every hour of the day is likened to a mini-Shabbat hour within the greater full day of the weekly Shabbat.

Moreover take note that των σαββατων is the greater part of other passage statements which you have referrenced or quoted, concerning the so-called "first day of the week", which is a highly suspect rendering of μια των σαββατων because of these things herein above.

So are you trying to say that everyday is the Sabbath as that is not what scripture tells us.

 

[trophy33]

The Bible is quite silent on Sunday sacredness

No day, place or physical thing is biblically sacred in Christianity.

Protestant Churches contradict themselves by observing it as a replacement for the Sabbath.

No European reformation church observes Sunday. Neither Lutherans, nor Calvinists, nor Bohemian/Moravian reformation etc.

Protestant churches have the main weekly meetings on Sunday, because the day is historically significant in Christianity. Its not keeping or a law-like observing. For your better understanding, let us quote The Second Helvetic Confession (Basel, 1536):

THE TIME NECESSARY FOR WORSHIP. Although religion is not bound to time, yet it cannot be cultivated and exercised without a proper distribution and arrangement of time. Every Church, therefore, chooses for itself a certain time for public prayers, and for the preaching of the Gospel, and for the celebration of the sacraments; and no one is permitted to overthrow this appointment of the Church at his own pleasure. For unless some due time and leisure is given for the outward exercise of religion, without doubt men would be drawn away from it by their own affairs.
...
SUPERSTITION. In this connection we do not yield to the Jewish observance and to superstitions. For we do not believe that one day is any holier than another, or think that rest in itself is acceptable to God. Moreover, we celebrate the Lord's Day and not the Sabbath as a free observance.

As you can see for yourself, celebrating is the term best related to Sunday, not keeping, observing or Sabbath-replacing.

 

[daq]

So are you trying to say that everyday is the Sabbath as that is not what scripture tells us.

There is a sacred calendar Shabbat hour in every day and it is the seventh hour of the sacred calendar day. In the weekly Shabbat there is also the same hour of the sacred calendar Shabbat in the day of the Shabbat, a daily Shabbat hour within the weekly seventh day of the Shabbat. If we counted the daily Shabbat hour and the weekly Shabbat, with its daily Shabbat hour, there are eight Shabbatot in one week, not just one.

How many do you observe in a week? You observe only one Shabbat. If therefore anyone is breaking the scripture it is you because, just as you and the SDA teach, Daniel 7:25 condemns you for changing the Shabbat of creation into a mere single Shabbat day once in a week of twenty-four hour days. You took away the tamiyd-continual daily Shabbat hour and claim that all you need to observe is the weekly Shabbat which is not tamiyd-continual day-by-day. This is another argument your prophet makes in her testimonies, and by it, she proves her own theory is in error for not understanding that tamiyd-continual is only employed for things that occur in each and every day of the week, continually, every day, which is the meaning of tamiyd.

Numbers 28:1-10 Daily Tamiyd-Continual Offerings

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[reddogs]

No day, place or physical thing is biblically sacred in Christianity.


No European reformation church observes Sunday. Neither Lutherans, nor Calvinists, nor Bohemian/Moravian reformation etc.

Protestant churches have the main weekly meetings on Sunday, because the day is historically significant in Christianity. Its not keeping or a law-like observing. For your better understanding, let us quote The Second Helvetic Confession (Basel, 1536):

THE TIME NECESSARY FOR WORSHIP. Although religion is not bound to time, yet it cannot be cultivated and exercised without a proper distribution and arrangement of time. Every Church, therefore, chooses for itself a certain time for public prayers, and for the preaching of the Gospel, and for the celebration of the sacraments; and no one is permitted to overthrow this appointment of the Church at his own pleasure. For unless some due time and leisure is given for the outward exercise of religion, without doubt men would be drawn away from it by their own affairs.
...
SUPERSTITION. In this connection we do not yield to the Jewish observance and to superstitions. For we do not believe that one day is any holier than another, or think that rest in itself is acceptable to God. Moreover, we celebrate the Lord's Day and not the Sabbath as a free observance.

As you can see for yourself, celebrating is the term best related to Sunday, not keeping, observing or Sabbath-replacing.

Genesis 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

 

[reddogs]

There is a sacred calendar Shabbat hour in every day and it is the seventh hour of the sacred calendar day. In the weekly Shabbat there is also the same hour of the sacred calendar Shabbat in the day of the Shabbat, a daily Shabbat hour within the weekly seventh day of the Shabbat. If we counted the daily Shabbat hour and the weekly Shabbat, with its daily Shabbat hour, there are eight Shabbatot in one week, not just one.

How many do you observe in a week? You observe only one Shabbat. If therefore anyone is breaking the scripture it is you because, just as you and the SDA teach, Daniel 7:25 condemns you for changing the Shabbat of creation into a mere single Shabbat day once in a week of twenty-four hour days. You took away the tamiyd-continual daily Shabbat hour and claim that all you need to observe is the weekly Shabbat which is not tamiyd-continual day-by-day. This is another argument your prophet makes in her testimonies, and by it, she proves her own theory is in error for not understanding that tamiyd-continual is only employed for things that occur in each and every day of the week, continually, every day, which is the meaning of tamiyd.

Numbers 28:1-10 Daily Tamiyd-Continual Offerings

Please bear with me through these definitions and I pray that the results be rewarding. H3533 כָּבַשׁ kâbash BDB Definition: 1) to subject, subdue, force, keep under, bring into bondage 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to bring into bondage, make subservient 1a2) to subdue, force, violate 1a3) to subdue...

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Please give the text where the Bible gives this 'sacred calendar"? Or is it more of the 'tradition' of the 'rabbi'/elders...

 

[daq]

Please give the text where the Bible gives this 'sacred calendar"? Or is it more of the 'tradition' of the 'rabbi'/elders...

As I said, it is right there in the opening creation account, or do you suppose Elohim took six twenty-four hour days to speak the words written in the first chapter of Genesis? How long does it take you to read that chapter? and you believe it took six twenty-four hour days to speak those words of creation? If that is the case then you by default imply a rest in between the days of creation, do you not? Did Elohim rest between the six twenty-four hour days of creation according to your understanding?

He does not rest until the seventh yom, and yom is light, for He himself calls the light, Yom, (Gen 1:5a), and thus the opening creation account is spoken-Word creation and not according to the natural mind of man who sees only a day of twenty-four hours in his natural creation environment and surroundings.

Exodus 31:17 KJV
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

That underlined word, refreshed, is naphash, literally meaning to breathe: but since we know that Elohim does not need to breathe we can understand that this text speaks in a manner so that we, being physical minded human beings, may understand the supernal implications through physical minded language which we are more familiar with. What then does it mean? It means that Elohim, in a symbolic way, ceased from His works and "took a breath" or "breathed", and that is because the opening creation account is spoken-Word creation.

Moreover perhaps you should not have ignored the following post, explaining something most critical to understand about the opening creation account, which was posted in response to you in one of your own threads.

However the creation account uses names for things accomplished in different sections that are later then called a single yom. And because of the fact that, in Hebrew, proper nouns do not allow the definite article, (because they are already emphatic), we can see where the shamayim, (heavens), and eretz, (earth), are the nouns or where the same terms are the proper nouns, that is the names. The shamayim and the eretz were not created in the same yom but each has its own yom wherein it was created, and yet they are stated to have been created in the same yom at the close of the opening passage.

Creation and naming of Shamayim, (Heavens).

Genesis 1:8 KJV
8 And God called the firmament Heaven [Shamayim]. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Creation and naming of Eretz, (Earth).

10 And God called the dry land Earth; [Eretz] and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Both of these are anarthrous, (without the definite article), because they are proper nouns, names:

Shamayim-Heavens = Yom Sheni (Second Day)
Eretz-Earth = Yom Shelishi (Third Day)

In the following statement we find both arthrous and anarthrous usages of these two terms:

Genesis 2:4 YLT
4 These are births of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared, in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens;

I have quoted the Young's Literal Translation in the above because it does not add the definite article to the second occurrences of Eretz-Earth and Shamayim-Heavens, which is correct according to the Hebrew text and grammar, (but they should have been capitalized in English), and which reveals that these two second instances are the proper nouns, that is, the names given to them in the opening passages quoted previously above herein. And yet, look what the text says, IN THE DAY wherein YHWH Elohim made Earth (Eretz) and Heavens (Shamayim).

This can really only mean one thing because Eretz and Shamayim were not made in the same yom, but rather, Shamayim-Heavens were made in Yom Sheni, (Second Yom), and Eretz was made in Yom Shelishi, (Third Yom), and that one thing that it means is that in the opening creation account there are seven yamim, (yom-hours), in the full yom-day: for only in this manner may it be said that Elohim made Eretz and Shamayim in a single yom-day. The only way around this is to play dumb or to ignore the Hebrew text and grammar and choose an English translation that says something else one prefers in order to support a preferred paradigm.

Genesis 2:4 KJV
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

There you go, abracadabra, problem solved: just insert the article where it is not found and the differences dissappear.

Genesis 2:4 can only properly be understood one way because Earth and Heavens, (Eretz and Shamayim), are the proper nouns or names Elohim called the dry land, (yabbashah), and the raqia, (firmament), and yet they were not created and named in the same yom, and therefore we have multiple yom in the yom wherein Elohim made Earth and Heavens.

Genesis 2:4
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that YHWH Elohim made Earth [Gen 1:9-13, Yom Shelishi] and Heavens [Gen 1:6-8, Yom Sheni].

The second occurrences of Earth and Heavens are anarthrous, (without the definite article), and are therefore the proper nouns, the names which Elohim gave them in their respective days of creation, which are not the same days: therefore the whole creation narrative in the first chapter is six yamim-hours in a yom-day: and the seventh yom is the daily Shabbat hour in each and every day. The SDA version of the creation, (just as any other physical-creation minded version of it), blinds the believer to the reality that Meshiah fulfills all of the time prophecies of Daniel in his earthly ministry, for one cannot recognize that these seven yamim in a yom of the sacred calendar day are the shabuim-weeks of Daniel the Prophet.

The Six Yamim of the Sacred Calendar Day:

Mark 15:25-33 KJV
25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.
28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

 

[reddogs]

As I said, it is right there in the opening creation account, or do you suppose Elohim took six twenty-four hour days to speak the words written in the first chapter of Genesis? How long does it take you to read that chapter? and you believe it took six twenty-four hour days to speak those words of creation? If that is the case then you by default imply a rest in between the days of creation, do you not? Did Elohim rest between the six twenty-four hour days of creation according to your understanding?

He does not rest until the seventh yom, and yom is light, for He himself calls the light, Yom, (Gen 1:5a), and thus the opening creation account is spoken-Word creation and not according to the natural mind of man who sees only a day of twenty-four hours in his natural creation environment and surroundings.

Exodus 31:17 KJV
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

That underlined word, refreshed, is naphash, literally meaning to breathe: but since we know that Elohim does not need to breathe we can understand that this text speaks in a manner so that we, being physical minded human beings, may understand the supernal implications through physical minded language which we are more familiar with. What then does it mean? It means that Elohim, in a symbolic way, ceased from His works and "took a breath" or "breathed", and that is because the opening creation account is spoken-Word creation.

Moreover perhaps you should not have ignored the following post, explaining something most critical to understand about the opening creation account, which was posted in response to you in one of your own threads.



Genesis 2:4 can only properly be understood one way because Earth and Heavens, (Eretz and Shamayim), are the proper nouns or names Elohim called the dry land, (yabbashah), and the raqia, (firmament), and yet they were not created and named in the same yom, and therefore we have multiple yom in the yom wherein Elohim made Earth and Heavens.

Genesis 2:4
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that YHWH Elohim made Earth [Gen 1:9-13, Yom Shelishi] and Heavens [Gen 1:6-8, Yom Sheni].

The second occurrences of Earth and Heavens are anarthrous, (without the definite article), and are therefore the proper nouns, the names which Elohim gave them in their respective days of creation, which are not the same days: therefore the whole creation narrative in the first chapter is six yamim-hours in a yom-day: and the seventh yom is the daily Shabbat hour in each and every day. The SDA version of the creation, (just as any other physical-creation minded version of it), blinds the believer to the reality that Meshiah fulfills all of the time prophecies of Daniel in his earthly ministry, for one cannot recognize that these seven yamim in a yom of the sacred calendar day are the shabuim-weeks of Daniel the Prophet.

The Six Yamim of the Sacred Calendar Day:

Mark 15:25-33 KJV
25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.
28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

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Well it is very clear the weekly cycle was set up and Sabbath was given to us at creation as the seventh day of the week as we read in Genesis, and they were literal 24 hour days as today. Many have tried to change the weekly cycle or the days in it, but yet the weekly cycle remains to this day, and testifies to Gods seventh day Sabbath, need to see the truth the Bible gives us.

Genesis 1
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

 

[daq]

Well it is very clear the weekly cycle was set up and Sabbath was given to us at creation as the seventh day of the week as we read in Genesis, and they were literal 24 hour days as today. Many have tried to change the weekly cycle or the days in it, but yet the weekly cycle remains to this day, and testifies to Gods seventh day Sabbath, need to see the truth the Bible gives us.

That's your opinion not based in all the evidence provided in the scripture. We find the same type of teaching in the Torah concerning the civil calendar day, which is not twenty-four hours but rather twelve hours, and the Master himself affirms this fact not only in John 11:9-10 but also in the parable of the workers of the vineyard in Matthew 20.

Matthew 20:1-16 KJV
1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. [denarius]
10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. [denarius]
11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Understand? Not only are there twelve yom-hours in a yom-day but both are worth one denarius, and why would it be this way? because a yom may be either one: a full twelve-hour day or even one yom-hour of the twelve hour day because Yom is Light, not "a day of twenty-four hours" which is found nowhere in the scripture. The civil calendar day is twelve yom-hours in a yom-day and the night is likewise twelve hours but generally divided up into four watches of three hours each, (twelve hours).

The scripture is extremely precise and technical about such things, for the calendar is critical, and to ignore these little nuances and technicalities is to surely stumble in understanding. As I said above the civil calendar day has the same teaching in it which was explained in my previous post concerning the sacred calendar day, and it is as follows.

Numbers 7:10-11 KJV
10 And the princes offered for dedicating of the altar in the day that it was anointed, even the princes offered their offering before the altar.
11 And the LORD said unto Moses, They shall offer their offering, each prince on his day, for the dedicating of the altar.

Numbers 7:84 KJV
84 This was the dedication of the altar, in the day when it was anointed, by the princes of Israel: twelve chargers of silver, twelve silver bowls, twelve spoons of gold:

How many "days" for the princes with their offerings does your Bible translation record in this Numbers 7 passage? Surely it records the twelve yom of the twelve korban-offerings of each of the twelve princes of the twelve tribes of Yisrael who each offered in his yom in the yom wherein the altar was anointed.

Are you willing to see it yet? There are twelve yom in the yom wherein the altar was anointed, right here in this passage according to the statements quoted above, and this cannot be twelve days of twelve hour days in a day, nor can it be twelve twenty-four hour days in a day, no, it can only be twelve yom-hours in a yom-day because the twelve princes of the twelve tribes of Yisrael offered each one the korban for his tribe each prince in his yom in the yom wherein the altar was anointed. To ignore these things is to ignore the Logos-Reasoning of Elohim in His Torah. A yom therefore may indeed be an hour or day, and as stated at the start of this, it may also be a year, as in a day for a year, and it may also be a thousand years, as it is written.

Numbers 7:12 KJV
12 And he that offered his offering the first day was Nahshon the son of Amminadab, of the tribe of Judah:

The underlined portion in the above does not say the same thing as what we find in Genesis 1:5, but rather says, Yom haRishon. Why does it say Yom haRishon instead of Yom Echad such as we find in Genesis 1:5?

Yom haRishon is the first hour of the twelve-hour civil calendar day which begins at sunrise. Yom Echad is the first hour of the sacred calendar day, which is mid-morning, and coincides with the morning hour of prayer.

When the day of Pentecost had fully come, surely on the sacred calendar day, we read that it is the third hour.

Acts 2:1 KJV
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

Acts 2:13-15 KJV
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

The day of Pentecost was not "fully come" until Yom Echad on the sacred calendar day. These things are all over the place in the scripture: but people do not generally recognize them until they realize and admit that they are missing critical information concerning the calendar, and begin looking for the answers. Those who will not seek will not find.

 

[trophy33]

Genesis 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Your OP statement is that the protestant churches observe Sunday as a replacement of Sabbath, which is a false statement as explained in my post above.

There is no sacred day to observe, given to Christians in the Bible. We all agree that in Genesis 2:3 is this quoted verse, but thats not the topic.

 

[Gary K]

Your OP statement is that the protestant churches observe Sunday as a replacement of Sabbath, which is a false statement as explained in my post above.

There is no sacred day to observe, given to Christians in the Bible. We all agree that in Genesis 2:3 is this quoted verse, but thats not the topic.

So Paul, Peter, Appollos, and the rest of the disciples of Jesus were not Christians? Messianic Christians are not Christians?

 

[trophy33]

So Paul, Peter, Appollos, and the rest of the disciples of Jesus were not Christians? Messianic Christians are not Christians?

You use many logical fallacies.

I am a Christian and I watch Netflix. That does not mean that Netflix is given to Christians as sacred or as a commandment to keep/observe. Also, it neither makes you a Christian nor a non-Christian.

 

[Bob S]

So Paul, Peter, Appollos, and the rest of the disciples of Jesus were not Christians? Messianic Christians are not Christians?

Hi Gary, how did you come to the conclusion that myst33 in anyway stated that Paul and the others were not Christian or that Messianic believers are not Christian. myst33 certainly was not judging.

The fact is that we all are under the new covenant and the new covenant does not specify a certain day to worship. As stated, to the Jews, in Hebrews: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion.” 3:15

Jesus and His disciples observed the old covenant Sabbath because they were under its dictates. The new covenant didn't begin until Calvary. Even then it took time for the disciples and others to explain to the Jews that they were no longer under Torah. Eph 2 does a great job explaining the fact that Jews are no longer under the dictates of the laws given at Sinai.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Jew and Gentile Reconciled Through Christ​

11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.

 

[Gary K]

You use many logical fallacies.

I am a Christian and I watch Netflix. That does not mean that Netflix is given to Christians as sacred or as a commandment to keep/observe. Also, it neither makes you a Christian nor a non-Christian.

My question to you is not the fallacy and you proved that with your answer.

 

[Gary K]

Hi Gary, how did you come to the conclusion that myst33 in anyway stated that Paul and the others were not Christian or that Messianic believers are not Christian. myst33 certainly was not judging.

The fact is that we all are under the new covenant and the new covenant does not specify a certain day to worship. As stated, to the Jews, in Hebrews: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion.” 3:15

Jesus and His disciples observed the old covenant Sabbath because they were under its dictates. The new covenant didn't begin until Calvary. Even then it took time for the disciples and others to explain to the Jews that they were no longer under Torah. Eph 2 does a great job explaining the fact that Jews are no longer under the dictates of the laws given at Sinai.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Jew and Gentile Reconciled Through Christ​

11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.

Read my answer to his post in which your assertion is is refuted.

 

[trophy33]

My question to you is not the fallacy and you proved that with your answer.

It is and I proved it with my answer. You connect things/thoughts together in illogical manner.

 

[daq]

That does not mean that Netflix is given to Christians as sacred or as a commandment to keep/observe.

The fact is that we all are under the new covenant and the new covenant does not specify a certain day to worship.

Jesus and His disciples observed the old covenant Sabbath because they were under its dictates.

Funny how those who observe the Shabbat are constantly accused of being legalists while those who do not observe the Shabbat are constantly demanding legal evidence from the N/T, in the form of a commandment to observe the Shabbat, so that they may claim they are not "bound" because there is no openly blatant commandment in the N/T. If that isn't a legalistic argument I don't know what is.

 

[HIM]

Funny how those who observe the Shabbat are constantly accused of being legalists while those who do not observe the Shabbat are constantly demanding legal evidence from the N/T, in the form of a commandment to observe the Shabbat, so that they may claim they are not "bound" because there is no openly blatant commandment in the N/T. If that isn't a legalistic argument I don't know what is.

No it is sad. The people asked for a man to rule over them in that they refused God's spirit at Sinai. Hence the writing of the Old Testament. Unbelief stiff necked disobedience then so it is now. and at the time of the Apostles. Hence, we still need the Letter. But now we Have the New Testament and the Old.

 

[Gary K]

No it is sad. The people asked for a man to rule over them in that they refused God's spirit at Sinai. Hence the writing of the Old Testament. Unbelief stiff necked disobedience then so it is now. and at the time of the Apostles. Hence, we still need the Letter. But now we Have the New Testament and the Old.

It's just fallen human nature. We shouldn't be surprised by it, and yes it is sad. Anyone who loves their fellow man will be saddened by it.

We've all been there and done that on one issue or another concerning sin.