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Question about the flood

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by GatodeQ, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    If you believe the Bible, then you should believe in a global flood. But there are evidences of underwater cities beneath the ocean floor.

    Ooparts & Ancient High Technology--Underwater Cities; Noah's Flood Proof?
     
  2. Queller

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    By that logic I should also believe there is a mountain high enough to see all the kingdoms of the world. Where is it?

    There is nothing on that site that talks about anything beneath the ocean floor. The structures discussed are sitting on the ocean floor, not beneath it.
     
  3. Bible Highlighter

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    The devil merely showed Jesus a vision on a high mountain of the kingdoms of the world. Nowhere is stated that the devil was pointing down to these kingdoms from off the top of the mountain.

    But there is no way to re-write Genesis 7 about how the waters had covered the highests mountains and killed all flesh upon the earth. Your lack of not understanding how that happened does not undo the reality of it. If you have a hard time believing it scientifically, then don't think of it as science. This was not your normal flood. It was a judgment from God upon the whole world.

    Right. That was a typo. My bad. I meant to say, "But there are evidences of underwater cities beneath the ocean on the ocean floor." Surely you should have figured out that this is what I was saying.
     
  4. Queller

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    I don't know what Bible you're reading but mine says

    "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
    2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
    3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
    4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
    5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
    6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
    7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
    8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
    9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
    10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
    11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him."


    If you could point out in there where any portion of this is described as a vision, I'd greatly appreciate it.

    According to the plain literal meaning of this verse

    8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

    that's exactly what Satan is doing.

    Which would have left lots of evidence behind which is not there. Or do you believe that God miracled away all the evidence?

    No, I've seen lots of crazy claims by Biblical literalists trying to explain away the problems of their interpretation. So I take them at their literal word.
     
  5. Bible Highlighter

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    So you believe the passage is lying or do you think Jesus literally was looking at all the kingdoms on top of a high mountain?

    Seashells on top of mountains, fossilized trees going through various different rock layers that atheists falsely say are millions of years each, global flood legends in every culture, fossil graveyards that appeared to be from flooding all over the world, ancient cities under the ocean on the ocean floor.

    Love your enemies. Bless and do not curse. Do good unto them.
    I also believe the Bible uses both literal and metaphorical phrases. The Bible is not all literal and I doubt that all who you claim to be a Bible literalist would ignore the idea that the Bible uses metaphors.
     
  6. Kylie

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    Nowhere is it stated that it was a vision and not literally seeing all the kingdoms of the world either.

    Oh, I know it's not science...

    Source please?
     
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  7. Subduction Zone

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    This is merely weak apologetics on your part when it is obvious that the Bible is wrong. By the way, this is not the only place in the Bible where this error was made.

    The problem is that over five miles of water would leave some kind of mark. There is no evidence of this flood. Now I have heard some Christians claim that God lied about the flood by covering it up. That is highly contradictory to me. I hope it is to you too.


    Do you know how deep the ocean floor is? Show us those cities and you will win the debate.
     
  8. Dave RP

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    Is that in the Bible? Mind you the bible couldn't say that the antichrist would come from America as it didn't know about the existence of america
     
  9. AV1611VET

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    Yes -- Daniel 2.

    The ten toes of Nebuchadnezzar's statue represent ten nations that would come from the breakup of the Roman Empire (the two legs).
     
  10. Aman777

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    There had been animals on planet Earth for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived. The Smithsonian is full of their bones. Dinosaurs, for example, went extinct some 65 Million years BEFORE the Ark arrived. I know because I find the Agreement of Scripture science and history and they ALL agree IF you have the proper understanding. God Bless you
     
  11. Aman777

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    Amen. As the firmament sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11,000 years ago, Adam's small Earth was "clean dissolved" in the flood. Isa 24:19 EVERY creature on Adam's small Earth died except Noah and his family aboard the Ark. The Ark was brought to our world from beneath the water of the Multiverse. The present Earth is underground, under dust. It's really convenient to the Multiverse since it's already buried, just waiting to be burned. 2 Peter 3:10. Amen?
     
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    That is because AGAIN, you are confusing Adam's Earth, with the present Earth which will NEVER be destroyed in a flood, as Adam's was. Our present Cosmos will be burned and the spoke of its torment will go up FOREVER trapped underground.

    Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:
     
  13. Bible Highlighter

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    There is no point in arguing with someone whose mind is closed. If you were open to the truth, you would accept Jesus Christ as your Savior and then He will show you things that you did not know. If you don't accept Christ, then you are never going to see no matter what evidence I show you. You seek to be filled by physical bread but it is Jesus who can truly satisfy you; For He is the bread of life.
     
  14. Bible Highlighter

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    I do not believe there are multiple universes. Such a thing is more in line with Science Fiction and not the Bible. For God's Word does not teach such a thing last I checked; And I have studied it a long time. If you feel the Bible teaches multiple universes, you need to make a good case for that with Scripture.

    Side Note:

    Please create another thread for this please.
    Thank you; And may God bless you.
     
  15. Subduction Zone

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    You have it backwards. The reason that most atheists are atheists in the U.S. is because they are open to the truth. My mind is open. Show me the evidence and I will believe. Your mind appears to be the one that is closed.

    You have to keep yourself ignorant of all science out of fear of the truth. Do you want to learn or are you merely here to make yourself, and Christianity, look bad? One does not have to believe the clearly fictional parts of the Bible to be a Christian.
     
  16. Aman777

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    Genesis 1:6-8 shows that the FIRST Heaven/firmament was made on the 2nd Day by God the Trinity (Elohim). Genesis 2:4 shows that other HeavenS (Plural) were made on the 3rd Day by Lord God (YHWH). That makes at least 3 Heavens made by the 3rd Day...Scripturally. Amen?

    This agrees with supporting Scripture in the New Testament which shows that the Apostle Paul was caught up to the 3rd Heaven. 2Co 12:2 I've created many threads but some accuse me falsely, no matter which thread, since their views are those of religion/belief, instead of God's Holy Word. IF you disagree, please list supporting Scripture for your views. God Bless you
     
  17. Subduction Zone

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    Wrong again. You are conflating your fantasy unsupportable interpretation of the Bible with reality.
     
  18. Bible Highlighter

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    Jesus said that no man ascends to Heaven except Himself, when He said,

    "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13 KJV)​

    In other words, no man has ascended physically to Heaven but Jesus (i.e. the Son of Man).

    Yeah, but what about Elijah?

    I believe confusion arises on this point because people do not understand that there are:


    Three Heavens

    The Scripture mentions three heavens (2 Corinthians 12:2), not just one!

    The First Heaven:

    The first heaven is earth's atmosphere where birds fly (Genesis 1:20, Jeremiah 4:25;34:20,Lamentations 4:19, Zephaniah 1:3). One of the Hebrew words for 'heaven' is shamayim. This same word is translated as 'sky' in the Scripture, as can be seen by comparing Genesis 7:3, "fowls also of the air," with Genesis 7:23, "fowl of the heaven." The word 'sky' and 'heaven' are used interchangeably from the same Hebrew word (Psalm 8:8). So the first heaven is synonymous with 'heights' or 'elevations.'

    Here are other examples to illustrate the first heaven. Exodus 19:20 says the Lord was on top of Mount Sinai when he called Moses up there, and God describes Mount Sinai as 'heaven' (Exodus 20:22, Deuteronomy 4:36). Here, everything above the ground is called 'heaven'.

    Another example of the first heaven is in Amos 9:1-3, where God states that at the time of this judgment, nobody will be able to flee away (verse 1), even "though they climb up to heaven" (verse 2). This "heaven" is defined in the next verse, verse 3, as climbing to the top of Mount Carmel.

    Another example is where the Scripture speaks of the "dew of heaven" (Genesis 27:28,39,Deuteronomy 33:28, Daniel 4:15-33; 5:21). The first heaven, from which dew comes, means the atmosphere, where the clouds and the wind roam. Therefore, everything above the ground is called 'heaven."

    Another Hebrew word for the first heaven is 'shachaq.' This same word for heaven (Psalm 89:6,37) is also translated as 'sky' or 'skies' (Deuteronomy 33:26; Job 37:18; Psalm 18:11), and as 'clouds' (Job 35:5; 36:28; Psalm 36:5; 68:34, Pro. 3:20; 8:28).

    The Second Heaven:

    The second heaven is outer space where the planets and stars exist (Genesis 1:14-17; 15:5;22:17;26:4, Deuteronomy 1:10; 17:3; Psalm 8:3, Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29). Usually the term "host of heaven" or "firmament of the heaven" is used to describe this second heaven.

    The Third Heaven:

    The third heaven is literally called "the third heaven" in 2 Corinthians 12:2. This third heaven is what Christ calls his "Father's house" (John 14:2), and both Christ and the Apostle Paul calls it "paradise" (Luke 23:43, 2 Corinthians 12:2-4, Revelation 2:7). This is where God and the heavenly sanctuary exist (1 Peter 3:22). This third heaven is also known as the "heaven of heavens" (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27, 2 Chronicles 2:6; 6:18, Nehemiah 9:6, Psalms 148:4), "The heavenly Jerusalem" (Galatians 4: 26; Hebrews 12:22; Revelation 3:12), the "kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 25:1, James 2:5), the "eternal kingdom" (2 Peter 1:11), the "eternal inheritance" (1 Peter. 1:4,Hebrews 9:15), and the "better country" (Hebrews 11:14,16). The fact that there are more than one 'heaven' can be shown by Psalm 115:16, "The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S." There are obviously two different 'heavens' being addressed in this one verse.

    Since Elijah could not have gone to the heaven of God's throne, then to which heaven did he go? He was not taken to God's heavenly throne (as some imagine). He was actually taken into this earth's atmosphere, the first heaven. There could be no whirlwind in any other place but in the atmosphere surrounding this earth.


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    Elijah, Enoch, and Moses
    Important Note: Although I quoted part of this article to help explain the three heavens, I do not agree with their interpretation of on Enoch. I believe Enoch was translated or spiritually taken by God and did not see death (as the Scriptures say). So not all the views expressed at this website reflect my views on the Scriptures.
     
  19. Bible Highlighter

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    Jesus says I am the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6); So if you are for seeking and finding the truth, you will come to Jesus. Jesus says, "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28).
     
  20. Subduction Zone

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    So what? Why would I care what a character in a book written by man supposedly said?

    If you claim that there was a worldwide flood you are in effect calling God a liar. So how do you explain this self contradiction of yours?
     
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