Question about the flood

[Ygrene Imref]

Wow. You really are clinging to this idea. No entry to the clubhouse unless they use the right codewords!

It isn't a codeword; it is a spiritual alignment.

Christ/[the word of God] is very clear what is expected of someone who is to be a son of God.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

What you are doing is also a dangerous game.

There are many Christians today that are racist - are they to be labelled as false Christians as well?

No. There are many people on this planet that believe they are Christian, and are racists. There are many people on this planet who believe racists can be Christians just because they say so.

What you are alluding to is a problem that goes beyond philosophy of theism - it is a fundamental problem in all of "churchdom." As Christ Himself said, not everyone that claims Him is a son of God. That is fact per the faith: take it however you would like.

If someone claims to be a peacekeeper, but murders 3000 children a year, are you going to argue their identity as a peacekeeper, or argue for their identity simply because they said so? As I said, it is a very dangerous game to play when one assumes one is something simply because one declares it. Actions, for faith, justify faith as much as the intention. You can say in your heart that you don't want to murder anymore, but if you continuously murder people you are lying to yourself, and the world.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Oh, now you're being naughty.

In the rules, it says:

• Stating or implying that another Christian member, or group of members, are not Christian is not allowed.

You know exactly what you are doing, and so do I.

Good luck finding what you are looking for.

 

[Tinker Grey]

So you can have God vouching for you.

Why would I believe that?

 

[Kylie]

It isn't a codeword; it is a spiritual alignment.

Christ/[the word of God] is very clear what is expected of someone who is to be a son of God.

No, it's a codeword, at least it seems to be as far as you are concerned.

You won't believe that someone is a Christian unless they specifically mention Jesus.

My daughter wouldn't let me into her cubbyhouse unless I mentioned the word stinkyfarts.

It's all the same thing, a verbal signal that they are included rather than excluded.

 

[Kylie]

No. There are many people on this planet that believe they are Christian, and are racists. There are many people on this planet who believe racists can be Christians just because they say so.

What you are alluding to is a problem that goes beyond philosophy of theism - it is a fundamental problem in all of "churchdom." As Christ Himself said, not everyone that claims Him is a son of God. That is fact per the faith: take it however you would like.

If someone claims to be a peacekeeper, but murders 3000 children a year, are you going to argue their identity as a peacekeeper, or argue for their identity simply because they said so? As I said, it is a very dangerous game to play when one assumes one is something simply because one declares it. Actions, for faith, justify faith as much as the intention. You can say in your heart that you don't want to murder anymore, but if you continuously murder people you are lying to yourself, and the world.

Yeah, let me know when you stop playing the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, will you?

No True Scotsman - RationalWiki

 

[Kylie]

You know exactly what you are doing, and so do I.

Good luck finding what you are looking for.

What I am doing is pointing out that your argument is based on a logical fallacy.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would I believe that?

So you can stop wandering?

Mark 6:34 And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things.

 

[Aman777]

What was the purpose of saving the animals?

The animals which were made by the Hands of Jesus, on Adam's Earth, were brought to our planet to serve as the common ancestors of those animals on the present Earth. Chief among them was Noah and his family. They brought Adam's superior intelligence, which is like God's, to this planet of prehistoric people who were NOT Humans (descendants of Adam). Only God and the descendants of Adam have this superior intelligence. Gen 3:22 In only some 10k years this has produced the 7.4 Billion living descendants of Adam on Earth today. God Bless you

 

[Tinker Grey]

So you can stop wandering?

Should I believe things for their utility?

Mark 6:34 And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things.

Why would I believe that?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would I believe that?

So you can make all those people praying for your salvation (mom & dad?, grandma & grandpa?) extremely happy!

Not to mention those in Heaven!

Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

 

[HitchSlap]

So you can make all those people praying for your salvation (mom & dad?, grandma & grandpa?) extremely happy!

Not to mention those in Heaven!

Making other people happy is not a virtue, AV. In fact, I would go so far as to say that people pleasing is a "sin."

 

[AV1611VET]

Making other people happy is not a virtue, AV. In fact, I would go so far as to say that people pleasing is a "sin."

Well seeing a man go from wandering atheist to resting Christian would make me happy.

I can't help it.

 

[HitchSlap]

Well seeing a man go from wandering atheist to resting Christian would make me happy.

I can't help it.

Well AV, it's all about you, then.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well AV, it's all about you, then.

Don't forget the angels!

And all those who are praying for him!

 

[Tinker Grey]

Why should I believe there are angels and a heaven?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why should I believe there are angels and a heaven?

So you won't be sad, you see.

Acts 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

 

[Tinker Grey]

So you won't be sad, you see.

Acts 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

Should emotion trump truth?

 

[Queller]

The Bible should be your ultimate source that you need to know on whether or not there was a global flood. Read this text here:

19 "And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark." (Genesis 7:19-23).

You claimed there are buildings or ruins deep beneath the ocean floor. The Bible does not support this claim. Therefore I cannot read about it in the Bible. What is your source for your claim?

The rest of your points don't support a global flood. When you want to discuss your claims, let me know.

 

[Queller]

The animals which were made by the Hands of Jesus, on Adam's Earth, were brought to our planet to serve as the common ancestors of those animals on the present Earth. Chief among them was Noah and his family. They brought Adam's superior intelligence, which is like God's, to this planet of prehistoric people who were NOT Humans (descendants of Adam). Only God and the descendants of Adam have this superior intelligence. Gen 3:22 In only some 10k years this has produced the 7.4 Billion living descendants of Adam on Earth today. God Bless you

Were there animals on "this earth" before Noah arrived? Which ones? How do you know?