Question about praying to Mary

[BobRyan]

"She never died? or she died and was resurrected? How do you mean that?

958 Communion with the dead. --

"Are you saying there is no communion with Mary as one of those that are dead ?

If I had a dollar for every time this question or one similar has been asked by you....

Hmm - maybe it is because I like seeing the colorful ways people find to either find an answer to that kind of question or sidestep it.

Trying to be smart; silly; what... it's not working. For the benifit of others; she lives eternally with all of the faithful departed.

If your claim is that she is a member of "all the faithful departed" then maybe you are saying this following section applies to prayer to Mary

958 Communion with the dead. --

 

[BobRyan]

The Catholic Church teaches that people in heaven don't have the limitations

Certainly we all know that infinite God has no limitations.

we have on earth.

I have no idea why anyone would believe Mary would need to be all-knowing to hear prayers 24/7

IS that because you can hear what everyone on planet Earth says in their prayers - 24/7 so why shouldn't Mary also have that ability?

 

[BobRyan]

Since the Bible speaks often of her, and in a way that shows honor and blessedness, if we do not do the same we dishonor Scripture

So we can always affirm that we can agree with what the Bible actually says about her.

 

[BobRyan]

Mary is not omniscient nor omnipresent.

Well then so much for the suggestions that she can hear all the prayers said to her all over the world 24/7.

 

[Valletta]

Bringing in a feminine is common in pagan religions. It's not like today's radical feminism, no, but it is of the same branch of your understanding of Mary in that it has the same motivations.

I see no difference between what pagan idolators of the past would have said & what you guys are saying. I'm sure idolators said the same thing when they were told not to idolize. "The One God made them so it's okay! They have a better connection to him than we do!!!" How much sense their arguments would make! "We don't know if he'll listen to our prayers so these idols will help!"

Did God need to "bring in a feminine?" No. Jesus could have just appeared without a feminine, without an earthly mother. That God did otherwise does not make God a pagan idolator, nor does it make you an idolator because you have a mother. In fact I would consider it sinful for me to say there was no difference between ANY Christian and a pagan idolator. Catholics believe the Word of God, that we are to pray for one another. We take the Word of God seriously and strive to follow His Word, although we all far short. We know that the angels and saints in Heaven are alive, not dead, and of all the saints the Mother of God is closest to Jesus, we know she was particularly blessed because she did the will of God. Thus Mary thus is a favorite choice for asking someone to pray for us.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I shudder to think how cold it must get for a Canadian to declare blizzard conditions, given how hardy you all are. What I might call a blizzard I expect you would dismiss as “Its just a snowstorm eh.”

What is really impressive though is how your church gets turnout despite blizzard conditions.

It was -17 C. Showing steadily, with a 50 kilometer wind gusting to 65 at times. Weird weather, yesterday up to -5 c

 

[Valletta]

They think "praying" is simply talking & Mary is alive in heaven so she's not dead. That makes sense to me. I can understand that part. What doesn't make sense to me is the point of the prayer. What message does the prayer want Mary to communicate to God? If they want Mary to intercede for them, shouldn't they be saying a little bit more than "pray for us?' When I ask someone to pray for me, I tell them my needs. Is Mary so distant too they can't communicate to her even the message they want her to take to God?

God hears all of our prayers, Mary does not need to "take" a prayer to God. God of course knows better than we do what we need, so sometimes I just ask God to "help." Other times if someone is gravely ill or having spiritual problems I ask Mary or another saint for intercessory prayers for that person.

 

[Bobber]

Basically , the prayers are collected and presented to The Father through Mary and beatified people ( saints) by the Pope.

How in the world did you possibly come up with that?

 

[Bobber]

Other times if someone is gravely ill or having spiritual problems I ask Mary or another saint for intercessory prayers for that person.

I don't mean to try to make fun of you but what Mary are you asking to do this in heaven? There must be thousands of them by that name in heaven no?

 

[Valletta]

I don't mean to try to make fun of you but what Mary are you asking to do this in heaven? There must be thousands of them by that name in heaven no?

Please.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

How in the world did you possibly come up with that?

A Catholic Apologist. Towards the bottom.

The Bible Supports Praying to the Saints

Most "Bible-believing" Christians object to the Catholic practice of praying to the saints. Here is how to respond to the most common objections.

www.catholic.com

Blessings.

 

[concretecamper]

Maria Billingsley said:
Basically , the prayers are collected and presented to The Father through Mary and beatified people ( saints) by the Pope.

How in the world did you possibly come up with that?

Uneducated people.

I don't mean to try to make fun of you but what Mary are you asking to do this in heaven? There must be thousands of them by that name in heaven no?

I'm sure there are many people in heaven with the name Jesus (Spanish name).

 

[concretecamper]

A Catholic Apologist.
Blessings.

This isn't comedy hour

 

[Maria Billingsley]

This isn't comedy hour

I included the link.

 

[JSRG]

A Catholic Apologist. Towards the bottom.

The Bible Supports Praying to the Saints

Most "Bible-believing" Christians object to the Catholic practice of praying to the saints. Here is how to respond to the most common objections.

www.catholic.com

Blessings.

The claim you made was:
"Basically , the prayers are collected and presented to The Father through Mary and beatified people ( saints) by the Pope."

This is fairly reasonable up until the last three words: "By the pope." That presumably was the part being objected to. However, I don't see any claim in the article that the prayers are collected and presented by the pope.

 

[concretecamper]

I included the link.

The link you provided proves your ignorance or proves you are are the type of person who deliberately provids false information. Take your pick.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Question to Catholics: wouldn't Mary have to be omniscient to hear and process hundreds of prayers being prayed to her in a steady stream every minute 24/7?

Note: input from former or non-Catholics is welcome.

No, Blessed Mary along with all the saints in heaven is in the eternal realm where time is not like time here on Earth. The effect of this is that the saints can hear and respond to prayers from many because they are not working in a second-by-second flow of time.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

The claim you made was:
"Basically , the prayers are collected and presented to The Father through Mary and beatified people ( saints) by the Pope."

This is fairly reasonable up until the last three words: "By the pope." That presumably was the part being objected to. However, I don't see any claim in the article that the prayers are collected and presented by the pope.

No it is beatification by the Pope. Maybe my wording wasn't quite right.
" The Father" is God.

Who can grant sainthood?
The person is canonised through a formal papal decree that the candidate is holy and in heaven with God. The Pope makes the declaration during a special mass in honour of the new saint. A formal request for an individual to be considered for sainthood is submitted to a special Vatican tribunal.

 

[YeshuaFollower]

No, Blessed Mary along with all the saints in heaven is in the eternal realm where time is not like time here on Earth. The effect of this is that the saints can hear and respond to prayers from many because they are not working in a second-by-second flow of time.

Does not the bible teach that at death we are not conscious? that our bodies return to dust and our souls return to to the lord GOD to await resurrection? I know that some were taken by GOD but they were exceptions, nowhere in scripture was Mary, undoubtedly a righteous woman in the eyes of GOD taken to heaven. The dead cannot hear or feel or see as they await resurrection.

Peace,

JFF

 

[The Liturgist]

It was -17 C. Showing steadily, with a 50 kilometer wind gusting to 65 at times. Weird weather, yesterday up to -5 c

Yikes.