Public Apology from Erwin

[carmi]

To all the staff members here who have also so far apologized:

I think I could decide within 11 hours and even less that I might have misinterpreted a rule, was too overzealous in applying rules and deleting posts and threads and I'd be able to come forward and publicly apologize.

But in all honesty it would take me more than 11 hours, I might even need more than 11 days, to go through the inner process of asking myself whether or not I have been biased, whether or not I favorite a member and in doing my fav member a favor I deleted a thread/post, whether or not I deleted a thread/post simply because I personally don't like the poster/member, whether or not I agreed with a fellow mod and had my part in throwing out an appeal.

Statements/hints of these kind have been made and they are still there. I don't see a post where a member said "I take that back, I was hurt and angry and overdid it with my remark". What I am trying to say is that I can perfectly understand if mods are confused as to what they are to apologize for - being heavy-handed or being biased (for example).

I am not a mod, it doesn't affect me directly. But I must say I am very confused. I am confused and I am left confused because I do know that there is an appeals forum and I do know that staff action can be discussed there and that a member can even post a pm he/she received to back up their claim. I am confused why claims are made in a place where evidence/proof/back up cannot be provided instead of a place where it can be provided (and by pointing out to a rule a person "admits" he/she is aware of the rule). So I am also confused as why that has been done.

I am not asking for an explanation.

 

[Debi1967]

Statements/hints of these kind have been made and they are still there. I don't see a post where a member said "I take that back, I was hurt and angry and overdid it with my remark". What I am trying to say is that I can perfectly understand if mods are confused as to what they are to apologize for - being heavy-handed or being biased (for example).

Then how is this for you ....

I have in the past started an appeal because I was angry at the time, and therefore being overzealous.... then when I calmed down went back and asked for the immediate closure of my appeal because I realize that it was a reaction and nothing more ....

So then I have apologized to the Mods for this by either stating it in the appeals or by also sending them a PM to apologize...

I am not one to say to someone that I could not possibly be wrong... And in fact this has happened in more than one appeal for me...

I have defended Moderators and the Staff here when to do so on many occasions many hated me because I was doing so.... I still do. BUT, there are members of this staff that either misinterpret the rules, or they are extremely heavy handed ... and these issues do need to be addressed...

I am forever humbled by Erwin himself apologizing to us as a Congregation as a whole and then trying to in the best interests of us say that he will try to find a better solution. I think that takes an inner strength and quality that is rarely seen ....

May the Lord Bless that man because he does give us so much of himself

Lovingly In Christ
Debi

 

[Plan 9]

I've only tangled with what I believed was one truly unfair mod here, and I may have upset him in some way which I didn't understand myself.
What I'm hoping that Erwin will be able to do is formulate the rules in a manner which make them easier for our staff to apply, because there's a huge difference between making mistakes and being purposely unfair.
When I was a mod (I'm only an RPG mod now, and, although that's hard work, everyone gets along fine and as lots of fun, so I'm never "the police"), I think I was sometimes unfair, but that was never my intention. Never. It's a mighty hard job, IMO.

 

[carmi]

I have defended Moderators and the Staff here when to do so on many occasions many me hated because I was doing so.... I still do. BUT, there are members of this staff that either misinterpret the rules, or they are extremely heavy handed ... and these issues do need to be addressed...

I agree.

I think you have misunderstood what I tried to say (I have a tendency not to make myself clear )

But heavy-handed and biased are not the same. That's what I was trying to get at. I can be heavy-handed and not biased. If someone were to tell me: "you were heavy-handed, you need to work on that" or "you were biased", I could take the first statement and recover and work on that but the latter?

 

[SKY80]

I say let ERWIN do his thing he has tld us that he wil change it and make the system more streamlined and less retrictive..arguing about it bashing mods are not going to help the situation, we have gotten the point across that people were not happy, it was addressed by DR.Loh and now we need to wait for the changes to take place.

 

[iridescence]

I agree there are too many rules; and they are very hard to follow! At least they do need to be simplified, or perhaps consolidated.

 

[ClaireZ]

Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.

The older Catholics will recognize that

But... everyone, I come holding my hat. I'm guility of this... And I'm sorry. Me, personally... I won't speak for anyone else. But I'm making my apology to all of you. I can't get into particulars, due to confidentality, of course, but... I've been guility of a lot of what Erwin said.

If I have done anything against you... please accept my apologies. And I promise to try and be better.

Awesome post, and excellent example of accountability. I am greatly pleased to see the post by Erwin and the Moderators here, and am looking forward to a much more enjoyable experience posting here.

 

[Debi1967]

Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.

The older Catholics will recognize that

But... everyone, I come holding my hat. I'm guility of this... And I'm sorry. Me, personally... I won't speak for anyone else. But I'm making my apology to all of you. I can't get into particulars, due to confidentality, of course, but... I've been guility of a lot of what Erwin said.

If I have done anything against you... please accept my apologies. And I promise to try and be better.

Ahem .... I hope you mean older as in older on the forum ..... Sir

You have never done a bad job, apart from well shall we say not being a good little boy every once in awhile .... Just kidding .... There are things that you cannot take the blame for as you had no real idea

Lovingly
Debi

 

[rocklife]

Thank you, Dr. Loh, for the apology. I hope the censorship and regulations will be at a reasonable level. I am praying for you, our leaders, and this site, I am thankful for this community through Jesus Christ.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.

The older Catholics will recognize that

But... everyone, I come holding my hat. I'm guility of this... And I'm sorry. Me, personally... I won't speak for anyone else. But I'm making my apology to all of you. I can't get into particulars, due to confidentality, of course, but... I've been guility of a lot of what Erwin said.

If I have done anything against you... please accept my apologies. And I promise to try and be better.

Bradford, thank you. Your apology means a lot.





Peace

 

[thereselittleflower]

As the Senior Administrator of Team Peace, I extend apologies, on my behalf and on the behalf of those whom I oversee, to those whom we have offended, intentionally and unintentionally.

I confess to Almighty God,
and to you my brothers and sisters,
that I have sinned through my own faults,
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done and what I have failed to do;
And I ask the Blessed Virgin Mary,
and all the angels and saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God.

May Almighty God have mercy on us,
forgive us our sins,
and bring us to everlasting life.

Amen.

Thank you nyj. your apology also means much.


Peace

 

[Debi1967]

As the Senior Administrator of Team Peace, I extend apologies, on my behalf and on the behalf of those whom I oversee, to those whom we have offended, intentionally and unintentionally.

I confess to Almighty God,
and to you my brothers and sisters,
that I have sinned through my own faults,
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done and what I have failed to do;
And I ask the Blessed Virgin Mary,
and all the angels and saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God.

May Almighty God have mercy on us,
forgive us our sins,
and bring us to everlasting life.

Amen.

Thank you Brother .... and for all the trouble that I may have caused you in the past please know that I too am sorry .....

 

[Debi1967]

Let me say as a staff member, I am sorry too.

We are going to work very hard on changing things for everyone here. Please keep us in your prayers!

Thank You Jeff, And to you too I know that I sometimes can be rather hardheaded and you have always dealt with me in such a patient manner ... Please except my apologies for any undue stress I have sent your way....

 

[Debi1967]

To My Brothers who have humbled themselves in this thread along with Erwin,
Your Strength of character in order to do such things shows that the Lord does work through your work even as Mods and Administrators of this board and I am forever grateful for your existence here....

Lovingly In Christ
Debi

 

[thereselittleflower]

Let me say as a staff member, I am sorry too.

We are going to work very hard on changing things for everyone here. Please keep us in your prayers!

Thank you Jeffery as well.

Thank you to all the staff who have come out courageously to join Erwin in this apology to the members. You all have my humble admiration.



Peace

 

[Debi1967]

O Jesus meek and humble of heart, hear me

From the desire of being esteemed.........Deliver Me Jesus

From the desire of being loved.............Deliver me Jesus

From the desire of being extolled ..........Deliver me Jesus

From the desire of being honored..............Deliver me Jesus

From the desire of being praised......... Deliver me Jesus.

From the desire of being preferred.........Deliver me Jesus

From the desire of being consulted...........Deliver me Jesus

From the desire of being approved.............Deliver me Jesus

From the fear of being humiliated.........Deliver me Jesus

From the fear of being despised............Deliver me Jesus

From the fear of suffering rebukes..............Deliver me Jesus

From the fear of being calumniated...........Deliver me Jesus

From the fear of being forgotten................ Deliver me Jesus

From the fear of being ridiculed..............Deliver me Jesus

From the fear of being wronged............Deliver me Jesus

From the fear of being suspected...........Deliver me Jesus

That others may be loved more than I..........Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it

That others may be esteemed more than I ................Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it

That in the opinion of the world others may increase and I may decrease..............Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it

That others may be chosen and I set aside............Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it

That others may be praised and I unnoticed............Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it

That others may become holier than I, provided that I may became as holy as I should.......................Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it. amen and amen

 

[KristianJ]

I too would like to affirm my support of Erwin's apology and concurrently offer my apologies for any errors that I might have made in actions that I have taken during my time as a staff member here. However I encourage you all not to lift those staff who have spoken publicly higher than those who have not posted in this thread. We do not deserve any more admiration or respect than them, in my most humble opinion. Each one of us is but a willing servant of the Lord, and despite the fact that at times we can make mistakes, be assured that we are seeking His guidance to help make CF a better place for you all to be a part of, no matter who you are, where you are from or what faith you adhere to. God bless you all!

 

[Debi1967]

I too would like to affirm my support of Erwin's apology and concurrently offer my apologies for any errors that I might have made in actions that I have taken during my time as a staff member here. However I encourage you all not to lift those staff who have spoken publicly higher than those who have not posted in this thread. We do not deserve any more admiration or respect than them, in my most humble opinion. Each one of us is but a willing servant of the Lord, and despite the fact that at times we can make mistakes, be assured that we are seeking His guidance to help make CF a better place for you all to be a part of, no matter who you are, where you are from or what faith you adhere to. God bless you all!

KristianJ

Whether you realize it or not even your humility now is something to be looked up to and admired in any Christian. As it speaks well for Christianity as a whole. To be able to publically admit to one fallibility is something that is hard to do when one is in the place of position and power. Some people feel that if they do this then it makes them appear weak and therefore ruins their edge or ability to do their jobs effectively. What most do not know is that we little people , lol, feel more at ease and would take criticism much better if we were not treated as little people.... showing that you are fallible as we are, means that we can relate to it, and therefore we will respect you more because of it in the long run...

Lovingly In Christ
Debi

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

Thank You Jeff, And to you too I know that I sometimes can be rather hardheaded and you have always dealt with me in such a patient manner ... Please except my apologies for any undue stress I have sent your way....

 

[Ginsu]

thank you for adressing the problem!!