Public Apology from Erwin

[MQTA]

These questions have everything to do with the people who post, not the rules which govern them while they're here.

Well, then, maybe that should be the suggestion. Maybe mods should discuss posts that they were all ready to delete, with the poster, if they're regular, maybe within 24 hours or so, and find out why they would post what they posted. Call them out on it, rather than shooting first and giving some cut/pasted reason and/or personal judgment or presumed assumption of readership's view when reading said post, instead.

Maybe person to person, as humans, maybe even friendly and casual, rather than as cops with guns and ego bolstered superiority attitudes. No matter the excuse for that, I assume that's how most people see it. Right or wrong, that's the typical reacton most people would get. Doesn't really bother me, but I see the sad energy from some who've been quite upset over incidents that could have been worked out differently. Maybe not, I don't know.

I think the view is either too close, or not back far enough. It's not handled with love, it's handled with authority to the losers who come here who they don't think should be here anyway, so who cares if they leave and never come back. With a little threat, apparent or perceived, thrown in for good measure.

That's it... who cares. Maybe they really don't care. They're just doing what they think Their Job is. Ego driven, apparently. If someone says, well, it's a tough job, no, it's not a tough job, per se, they make it so. If they said it was a fun job, got to know people better than originally perceived, and made some positive outcomes on both parts, then they'd say it was an awesome responsibility of being a model citizen and guide to those who are here.

Maybe they should all read some Wayne Dyer books or take a current management class. It Could be a learning experience for everyone, rather than an arduous task, hating every minute of it. Most of the time I love coming here, if I hated it, I'd leave. But there are times where there's unnecessary issues to work through, alone, because they can't be discussed, especially not with the high and mighty one that sparked it. I guess some are just unreachable, so it's easy to treat everyone like dirt and get it over with.

I thought somewhere where there would be people on a Spiritual path, but I don't find it in too many. It's unfortunate, especially in the icons some people that I do find it in are wearing. They are why I still come here. They know who they are.

I think the opportunities are being missed for the legalistic and prim and proper and how dare you say that attitude that prevails.

Oh well... such is life. Just a microcosm of somewhere in the real world.. thankfully not in most of what I see around me in my home town of 450,000. This is culture shock to some, in many respects... no, it's multi-cultural shock. Some forums are so awesome, with some totally awesome people, and others just make you cringe half the time.

But what can ya do... everyone is on their own path. Just lately in the tug of war, the awesome forums are being eclipsed by some strange energy that just doesn't seem to want to clear in other forums.

Maybe next year.

to the future...

 

[I'ddie4him]

Well, then, maybe that should be the suggestion. Maybe mods should discuss posts that they were all ready to delete, with the poster, if they're regular, maybe within 24 hours or so, and find out why they would post what they posted. Call them out on it, rather than shooting first and giving some cut/pasted reason and/or personal judgment or presumed assumption of readership's view when reading said post, instead.

The discussion about posts exists before a decision is made.

Maybe person to person, as humans, maybe even friendly and casual, rather than as cops with guns and ego bolstered superiority attitudes. No matter the excuse for that, I assume that's how most people see it. Right or wrong, that's the typical reacton most people would get. Doesn't really bother me, but I see the sad energy from some who've been quite upset over incidents that could have been worked out differently. Maybe not, I don't know.

As Tom has said, We are responsible for ourselves. Not the Staff being blamed for our own mistakes.

I think the view is either too close, or not back far enough. It's not handled with love, it's handled with authority to the losers who come here who they don't think should be here anyway, so who cares if they leave and never come back. With a little threat, apparent or perceived, thrown in for good measure.

That's it... who cares. Maybe they really don't care. They're just doing what they think Their Job is. Ego driven, apparently. If someone says, well, it's a tough job, no, it's not a tough job, per se, they make it so. If they said it was a fun job, got to know people better than originally perceived, and made some positive outcomes on both parts, then they'd say it was an awesome responsibility of being a model citizen and guide to those who are here.

Staff does have a tough job. They show grace and extend it anyway they can and then get accused of being heavy handed. How is this fair to them ??

Maybe they should all read some Wayne Dyer books or take a current management class. It Could be a learning experience for everyone, rather than an arduous task, hating every minute of it. Most of the time I love coming here, if I hated it, I'd leave. But there are times where there's unnecessary issues to work through, alone, because they can't be discussed, especially not with the high and mighty one that sparked it. I guess some are just unreachable, so it's easy to treat everyone like dirt and get it over with.

I thought somewhere where there would be people on a Spiritual path, but I don't find it in too many. It's unfortunate, especially in the icons some people that I do find it in are wearing. They are why I still come here. They know who they are.

I think the opportunities are being missed for the legalistic and prim and proper and how dare you say that attitude that prevails.

Oh well... such is life. Just a microcosm of somewhere in the real world.. thankfully not in most of what I see around me in my home town of 450,000. This is culture shock to some, in many respects... no, it's multi-cultural shock. Some forums are so awesome, with some totally awesome people, and others just make you cringe half the time.

But what can ya do... everyone is on their own path. Just lately in the tug of war, the awesome forums are being eclipsed by some strange energy that just doesn't seem to want to clear in other forums.

Maybe next year.

to the future...

Respect garners Respect. Unfortunately, Some don't/won't be able to see that. The rules are IMHO a guideline for decent and respectful treatment of others. It is hard to maintain it when someone is breathing down your neck and trying to push your buttons.
I'm not perfect and will not claim to be, I make mistakes and have gotten my hand slapped for it. It's a lesson learned.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Well, then, maybe that should be the suggestion. Maybe mods should discuss posts that they were all ready to delete, with the poster, if they're regular, maybe within 24 hours or so, and find out why they would post what they posted. Call them out on it, rather than shooting first and giving some cut/pasted reason and/or personal judgment or presumed assumption of readership's view when reading said post, instead.

If the post could be temporarily deleted, I think that could be a good idea. As it is now, though, moderators spend time discussing posts before deleting them, and while they are discussing them, others reply to them, and things get worse and worse.

Maybe person to person, as humans, maybe even friendly and casual, rather than as cops with guns and ego bolstered superiority attitudes. No matter the excuse for that, I assume that's how most people see it. Right or wrong, that's the typical reacton most people would get. Doesn't really bother me, but I see the sad energy from some who've been quite upset over incidents that could have been worked out differently. Maybe not, I don't know.

I agree it would be nice to be treated that way.

 

[Toms777]

These questions have everything to do with the people who post, not the rules which govern them while they're here.

Actually, it has much to do with the rules, the interpretation and the encforcement. Even staff do not agree on the interpretation of a number of the rules, and that indicates to me that they are either two unclear or not well communicated.

God gave 10 commandments. CF has 15 with numerous subsections.

Jesus said that all the law and prophets are based upon 2 comamndments.

Matt 22:37-40
37 Jesus said to him, " 'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
NKJV

Personally, I think that all the rules on here should hang on these two also, and we should follow this example gthat Jesu gave by keeping it as brief and as uncomplicated as possible.

 

[KristianJ]

MOD NOTE

After viewing the last few pages of this thread, I see no material that relates to the apology that Erwin offered. There are claims of continued behaviour by staff in the nature of that which Erwin offered his apology for, however it is debatable whether these posts are meant to be constructive or whether they are designed to increase tensions between members and staff.

Past advice has been to contact the supervisor of a staff member whom you believe to be acting inappropriately, and not to post about it in public forums, since it invariably leads to trainwreck threads that offer little more than veiled disdain. If you are going to post in this thread further, I invite you to do so in a cordial manner and not to offer claims that could be found to be baseless if they were to be properly investigated. Erwin reserves the right to approve closure of this thread, and CF Support staff are awaiting his word before we do anything of that nature.

KristianJ
Senior Moderator - CF Support

 

[Truly Blessed]

After viewing the last few pages of this thread, I see no material that relates to the apology that Erwin offered... Erwin reserves the right to approve closure of this thread,....

I wish he would have closed it as soon as he made the apology.

Apologies are not to be used to bash one another on top of the head.
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I thought this was one of the better posts - besides Erwins.

 

[I'ddie4him]

I wish he would have closed it as soon as he made the apology.

Apologies are not to be used to bash one another on top of the head.

I agree TB.
Erwin did not have to apologize in my mind for anything. He was stand up enough to do so without reservation. He has my utmost respect.



To Support staff,
If any of my posts have broken the rules in any way, I fully expect to be corrected.

 

[Kaylee4Christ]

Thanks, Erwin

 

[Texas Lynn]

I have to disagree with this statement.
That system failed to work appropriately. Thats why the rules are here now.

And yet the wisdom of the latin phrase "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
("Who watches the watchers?" ) shows that the present reality does not work any better except to benefit the favored few.

 

[Erwin]

Good discussion, but my apology was made 5 months ago. Feel free to continue the discussion in another thread, possibly in Questions about CF.

I also apologise for not being around CF support - the staff forums are taking up most of my time at the moment.