Protestant errors and inventions (3)

[1Co13]

That's fine, but I hope you're not one of those Yogi Berra guys...

"When you come to a fork in the road...take it."


There are some life decisions that totally close the door for other possibilities. And in the Catholic Church, it's no secret-to be a priest, you must give your sexuality as a gift to God. Some people see it as a great thing to do. Some try it, and discern that they should be married. No harm, no foul. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Some ask God to provide them a spouse, and God grants their request-He gives them Christ. Women who do this are known as consecrated virgins. They remain in the world, work in the world, and so on, but they are brides of Christ, and choose celibacy.

Some ask God to provide them a spouse, and he grants their request-He gives them the Church. Of course, just as above, it's the same thing. Others join a religious order, and do the same thing-sometimes closed off from the world completely. There's many ways to live the devout life.

Im a priest but not in Catholic tradition, only in peters tradition.

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Here is one, but alas, it is still closed for review

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870602-88/
Roman church errors and inventions

Any side but the RC side?



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Well the way i see it .. protestant errors are an apple that fell from the romanist tree . the EO just do things differently so the vanilla cream pie doesn't splatter in their direction . it's all comedy though . lots of love all around amidst respectful disagreements from myself

 

[1Co13]

Tis called being "closed minded"

Eze 21:21
“For the king of Babylon stands at the parting of the road, at the fork of the two roads, to use divination:
he shakes the arrows, he consults the images, he looks at the liver.

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In my opinion its not profitable to debate these things with Catholics theologians, they deny the facts when they are presented, if i say they baptize with sprinkling of water they say they dont, if i say they forbid marriage to priests they say they dont, if i say priest is not in the NT they say it is, if i say its a doctrine they say its a practice. Its like debating politics, i see not end to it. I share the scriptures, my opinion and leave it at that.

 

[tadoflamb]

Well the way i see it .. protestant errors are an apple that fell from the romanist tree . the EO just do things differently so the vanilla cream pie doesn't splatter in their direction . it's all comedy though . lots of love all around amidst respectful disagreements from myself

I can do without the love that uses the term 'romanist'.

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

I know a little about Luther but he wasn't Crucified for us, and he wasn't an apostle that Jesus gave the commission to. I'm not a Lutheran, i'm a Christian. Can Luther add to the Gospel given by the Lord and the NT apostles? I dont want anything to do with any doctrine connected with RC, Luther was RC and was taught by RC wasn't he? Christ is all we need.

Oh my goodness... No! Luther began life was a Roman Catholic and was excommunicated for beginning the Protestant Reformation! His whole career was dedicated to restoring the pure preaching of the gospel!

 

[tadoflamb]

In my opinion its not profitable to debate these things with Catholics theologians, they deny the facts when they are presented, if i say they baptize with sprinkling of water they say they dont, if i say they forbid marriage to priests they say they dont, if i say priest is not in the NT they say it is, if i say its a doctrine they say its a practice. Its like debating politics, i see not end to it. I share the scriptures, my opinion and leave it at that.

The nice thing about the Catholic faith is that everything is written down and easily approachable. So, If we're wrong about something the Church teaches, it should be a fairly simple exercise to demonstrate just how we are in error. For example, if the celibacy of priests is really a doctrine and not a practice, as you say, then it should be relatively easy to find within the teachings of the Church just what this 'doctrine' says. It's all there. If you choose to persist in your error, then you are without excuse.

But, on one point you are precisely correct. What we have in you is what we have in a lot of those who have placed themselves over, outside and opposed to the Catholic Church ~ a bible and an opinion.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Michael Collum

Well the way i see it .. protestant errors are an apple that fell from the romanist tree . the EO just do things differently so the vanilla cream pie doesn't splatter in their direction . it's all comedy though . lots of love all around amidst respectful disagreements from myself
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I can do without the love that uses the term 'romanist'.

And I can do w/o the love that uses the term "protestant". Perhaps we can come to some kind of settlement on each of those terms.

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[1Co13]

Oh my goodness... No! Luther began life was a Roman Catholic and was excommunicated for beginning the Protestant Reformation! His whole career was dedicated to restoring the pure preaching of the gospel!

Yes im aware of that.

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Yes im aware of that.

Then why did you early accuse me of fabricating history in order to justify the existence of the Catholic Church and the pope?

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

But, on one point you are precisely correct. What we have in you is what we have in a lot of those who have placed themselves over, outside and opposed to the Catholic Church ~ a bible and an opinion.

 

[tadoflamb]

And I can do w/o the love that uses the term "protestant".

I have my beloved Methodist grandmothers bible with 'protestant' embossed in gold letters on the cover.

So, what's the problem?

 

[1Co13]

The nice thing about the Catholic faith is that everything is written down and easily approachable. So, If we're wrong about something the Church teaches, it should be a fairly simple exercise to demonstrate just how we are in error. For example, if the celibacy of priests is really a doctrine and not a practice, as you say, then it should be relatively easy to find within the teachings of the Church just what this 'doctrine' says. It's all there. If you choose to persist in your error, then you are without excuse.

But, on one point you are precisely correct. What we have in you is what we have in a lot of those who have placed themselves over, outside and opposed to the Catholic Church ~ a bible and an opinion.

I learn through guidance of the HS from the holy scriptures which were themselves inspired by the HS.

Mt 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Ro 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Ro 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Joh 14:15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 ¶ I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Joh 14:25 ¶ These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Ga 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

1Jo 3:1 ¶ Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Albion]

But, on one point you are precisely correct. What we have in you is what we have in a lot of those who have placed themselves over, outside and opposed to the Catholic Church ~ a bible and an opinion.

What a wonderful testimony, if unintended.

You have your membership in a religious club, and we are 'left with' merely the Word of God. You bet we choose it over all else!

 

[tadoflamb]

I learn through guidance of the HS from the holy scriptures which were themselves inspired by the HS.

Me too.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by tadoflamb

The nice thing about the Catholic faith is that everything is written down and easily approachable. So, If we're wrong about something the Church teaches, it should be a fairly simple exercise to demonstrate just how we are in error. For example, if the celibacy of priests is really a doctrine and not a practice, as you say, then it should be relatively easy to find within the teachings of the Church just what this 'doctrine' says. It's all there. If you choose to persist in your error, then you are without excuse.

But, on one point you are precisely correct. What we have in you is what we have in a lot of those who have placed themselves over, outside and opposed to the Catholic Church ~ a bible and an opinion.
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I learn through guidance of the HS from the holy scriptures which were themselves inspired by the HS.............

So do I and a lot of others here. And your point?

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by 1Co13

In my opinion its not profitable to debate these things with Catholics theologians, they deny the facts when they are presented, if i say they baptize with sprinkling of water they say they dont, if i say they forbid marriage to priests they say they dont, if i say priest is not in the NT they say it is, if i say its a doctrine they say its a practice. Its like debating politics, i see not end to it. I share the scriptures, my opinion and leave it at that.
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The nice thing about the Catholic faith is that everything is written down and easily approachable. So, If we're wrong about something the Church teaches, it should be a fairly simple exercise to demonstrate just how we are in error. For example, if the celibacy of priests is really a doctrine and not a practice, as you say, then it should be relatively easy to find within the teachings of the Church just what this 'doctrine' says. It's all there. If you choose to persist in your error, then you are without excuse.

But, on one point you are precisely correct. What we have in you is what we have in a lot of those who have placed themselves over, outside and opposed to the Catholic Church ~ a bible and an opinion.

What happens when ya get a Lutheran and a RC in the same room



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[1Co13]

Then why did you early accuse me of fabricating history in order to justify the existence of the Catholic Church and the pope?

I was merely defending the faith given by the scriptures which promise Gods spirit to be our comforter and teacher. If there was a misunderstanding then all we can do is move past it.

 

[tadoflamb]

What a wonderful testimony, if unintended.

You have your membership in a religious club, and we are 'left with' merely the Word of God. You bet we choose it over all else!

The error you've committed is that my membership isn't with a religious club. Religious clubs are a protestant invention.

And, I wouldn't be too proud of what you have done to the Word of God. As a lover of the Sacred Scriptures myself, I fear that they suffer a thousand tiny deaths at the hands of those who claim to hold them at the highest esteem. In truth, they've rendered the Sacred Scriptures unprofitable for doing what the Sacred Scriptures themselves say are profitable.

As I've pointed out before, the first fruits of sola scriptura is private judgment and it's easy to see how far that has gotten you. So, good job protestants, you've lost your collective evangelical voice.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by GratiaCorpusChristi

Then why did you early accuse me of fabricating history in order to justify the existence of the Catholic Church and the pope?
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I was merely defending the faith given by the scriptures which promise Gods spirit to be our comforter and teacher. If there was a misunderstanding then all we can do is move past it.

Define that faith for us.



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[1Co13]

So do I and a lot of others here. And your point?

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He said Catholicism has everything written down and easy to understand, and i responded by saying the scriptures are already written down, and that i can read and study with other believers and learn by Gods spirit, and so i don't need the guidance of the RC Church for that.