Proper Christian Behavior Does Not Include

[Texas Lynn]

What I ask you directly is this. Are you acting in a loving matter by either ignoring or denying the claims that the homosexual lifestyle carries a very heightened risk of HIV/AIDS based on your own brand of dogma?

It certainly does not for lesbians. It certainly does not for committed nonpromiscuous couples.

The use of the unfortunate phrase "homosexual lifestyle" is most unfortunate. This term is favored by homophobes because it denigrates others' capacities to love and trivializes their love.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Texas Lynn,

BTW, that term "practicing homosexuals" is most offensive.

Would you prefer homosexual offenders as in 1 Cor 6:9 NIV or sodomites as in NKJV?

Can I also asks you

It certainly does not for lesbians.

the comment you addressed referred to homosexual lifestyle, do you not consider lesbian, 'homosexual' ?

 

[Texas Lynn]

God didn’t create gays or straights

And yet they exist, which, by your measure, makes them superior to God.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Well if homophobia involves a loving warning of the truth then homophobia must be a good thing.

That has yet to occur.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Dear Texas Lynn,
Would you prefer homosexual offenders as in 1 Cor 6:9 NIV or sodomites as in NKJV?

Both are cruel epithets which as used are offensive.

Can I also asks you

the comment you addressed referred to homosexual lifestyle, do you not consider lesbian, 'homosexual' ?

Apparently you don't with your overgeneralizing.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Naturally your post doesn't address how gays and lesbians are treated poorly by professed Christians...

I have never witnessed it. In fact, what I do witness is professed Christians proclaiming thenmselves to be homosexuals when that is an oxymoron.

All Christians are doing is telling the truth about their behaviour. God has given the Christian the job to do that. If you think that is treating them poorly, then that is your perception. We are serving the Lord by speaking truth.

Granted, some do not do it in love. You will have to contend with that. I see a lot of cheap shots coming from the other side, mostly.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Well if homophobia involves a loving warning of the truth then homophobia must be a good thing.

We aren't dealing with homophobia, the favourite coined word of the homosexual agenda.

What we are dealing with is Christophobia, the fear of Christ and Christians who faithfully carry His message.

 

[Crazy Liz]

I have never witnessed it. In fact, what I do witness is professed Christians proclaiming thenmselves to be homosexuals when that is an oxymoron.

You tell someone, "You don't exist," and then say you have never seen this nonexistent person treated poorly?

 

[jamielindas]

We aren't dealing with homophobia, the favourite coined word of the homosexual agenda.

What we are dealing with is Christophobia, the fear of Christ and Christians who faithfully carry His message.

hum... the homosexual agenda.... what's on that agenda anyway... oh yes
1. Stop treating us like second class citizens
2. don't get killed


I'm not Christophobic, but I do get very frustrated with fundamentalists (regardless of religion) that:

• think they can dictate the morals of an entire society
• think they should codify their religious values into law
• who blame minority groups for society ills
• use fear to motivate people
• use the worst case scenario to represent a general population
• lie to prove their point of view
• believe people who don't share your beliefs deserve death or eternal torment
• believe it is acceptable to kill non-believers (mostly islamic fundamentalists, but this goes for people who bomb abortion clinics)

 

[DMagoh]

So, what should homosexuals do, dead2self? You've warned them (of what? one might ask) so are they supposed to turn 'straight' ...just like that? Or do they fess up and say that they were 'straight' all along and were merely feigning 'gay-ness' just to annoy the c--p out of Christians? Or, do they commit to celibacy for the rest of their lives and take a cold shower as often as need be? What, precisely, do you suggest? I mean ...seriously?

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
Matthew 16:24


I guess you thought it was supposed to be easy to follow Jesus?

 

[jamielindas]

Dear Texas Lynn,
Would you prefer homosexual offenders as in 1 Cor 6:9 NIV or sodomites as in NKJV?

Can I also asks you

the comment you addressed referred to homosexual lifestyle, do you not consider lesbian, 'homosexual' ?

1 Cor 6:9
uses the word fornicators, which I was under the impression that included all 'sexual sins' not just homosexuality
The original translations looks something like this
Whether ye witen not, that wickid men schulen not welde the kyngdom of God? Nyle ye erre; nethir letchours, nether men that seruen mawmetis, nether auouteris,

anyone have definitions of letchours, seruen mawmetis and auouteris?

also...
I thought sodomites was more about homosexual rape and prostitution than just homosexuality in general.

 

[Texas Lynn]

what I do witness is professed Christians proclaiming thenmselves to be homosexuals when that is an oxymoron.

If you were not unaware about both groups significantly you would never say such an absurd thing.

All Christians are doing is telling the truth about their behaviour. God has given the Christian the job to do that. If you think that is treating them poorly, then that is your perception. We are serving the Lord by speaking truth.

Granted, some do not do it in love. You will have to contend with that. I see a lot of cheap shots coming from the other side, mostly.

There are Christians who treat LGBTs as persons of dignity and worth but by and large none of them are of the mistaken notion that to profess LGBT love is sinful. From the right wing all I've seen is hatred and ignorance.

 

[Texas Lynn]

We aren't dealing with homophobia, the favourite coined word of the homosexual agenda.

You are mistaken there; that's all this particular sub forum is about. BTW, your use of the buzzword 'homosexual agenda' is most unfortunate and for such you should be sorely ashamed.

What we are dealing with is Christophobia, the fear of Christ and Christians who faithfully carry His message.

Christ has nothing to do with this except it certainly appalls him how hatred is expressed in his name. None of the posts attacking LGBTs serve Christ at all. The notion otherwise is unsupported by anything.

 

[Texas Lynn]

hum... the homosexual agenda.... what's on that agenda anyway... oh yes
1. Stop treating us like second class citizens
2. don't get killed

But don't you see; that's exactly what heterosexists wish to stop.

I'm not Christophobic, but I do get very frustrated with fundamentalists (regardless of religion) that:

• think they can dictate the morals of an entire society
• think they should codify their religious values into law
• who blame minority groups for society ills
• use fear to motivate people
• use the worst case scenario to represent a general population
• lie to prove their point of view
• believe people who don't share your beliefs deserve death or eternal torment
• believe it is acceptable to kill non-believers (mostly islamic fundamentalists, but this goes for people who bomb abortion clinics)

It is nothing but hubris for people expressing hatred for LGBTs to claim to speak for Christ. They most assuredly do not.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I guess you thought it was supposed to be easy to follow Jesus?

Mmmm, It'd be nice if those expressing prejudice claiming to speak for him would start.

 

[savedandhappy1]

African-AMericans males have a higher rate of strokes and heart disease than whites males...should I pick on African Americans the way you and other professed Christians pick on homosexuals?

It's almost as if you and others here enjoy denigrating homosexuals and spreading the idea that AIDS is a "gay plague". Shame...

Is strokes and heart disease mentioned in the Bible as things that will keep you from inheriting the Kingdom of God? Nope they aren't so not a real good example, me thinks.

The only time I have seen the stats about male to male relationships and HIV/AIDS is when someone from your side of this issue, state it is a false, hateful, bigoted statement. Now I'm not saying that I haven't missed it being brought up in other instances, but just know that is when I have posted stats about this issue.

Find no joy, and I never try to denigrate anyone, but feel that if a misleading statement is given about something then the other side of that coin should also be listed.

Shame????????????????????? Lets see if I am right and homosexuality is a sin that will keep someone from inheriting the Kingdom of God, then where should the shame be placed?

If you get to heaven and find out that homosexuality is a sin, and that all the people you told it wasn't and that they should live and be happy aren't there, how will you feel?

I know personnally that when I get to heaven, and lets say I find out I was wrong I will be so Thankful. I also know that if I am right and was afraid of offending someone so I say nothing to try and save a souled..........................well I guess I should be thankful that there won't be any tears or pain anymore. Since, I don't understand how that can be, all I can say is if we could still feel the pain and shame for not spreading the Gospel and planting sound doctrine...........well I don't know how I could stand the quilt and shame.

 

[jamielindas]

Shame????????????????????? Lets see if I am right and homosexuality is a sin that will keep someone from inheriting the Kingdom of God, then where should the shame be placed?

shame comes from within... it isn't your place to try to make someone feel shame for who they are...

If you get to heaven and find out that homosexuality is a sin, and that all the people you told it wasn't and that they should live and be happy aren't there, how will you feel?

So... you hold yourself responsible for the sins of others?
Why don't you just let those 'sins' that don't harm anyone directly alone and let it be between the person and God?

I know personnally that when I get to heaven, and lets say I find out I was wrong I will be so Thankful. I also know that if I am right and was afraid of offending someone so I say nothing to try and save a souled..........................well I guess I should be thankful that there won't be any tears or pain anymore. Since, I don't understand how that can be, all I can say is if we could still feel the pain and shame for not spreading the Gospel and planting sound doctrine...........well I don't know how I could stand the quilt and shame.

You THINK you're spreading Gospel and planting sound doctrine... and that might be your intent. However, that's not how it comes out. For many christians with this same goal, it comes out as using scripture to justify you're own hate. It comes as degrading and dehumanizing a minority of the population.

 

[Floatingaxe]

You are mistaken there; that's all this particular sub forum is about. BTW, your use of the buzzword 'homosexual agenda' is most unfortunate and for such you should be sorely ashamed.

Me? shame? Hardly! There is a huge homosexual agenda afoot! It is highly organized and moving at great speed through society, knocking down strongholds of righteousness that have been left unguarded.

Denials of such an agenda are completely unbelievable. It is a Satanic machine that may have you blinded to its source, but it is a Satanic agenda just the same, and the soldiers are misguided and perverse people.

Christ has nothing to do with this except it certainly appalls him how hatred is expressed in his name. None of the posts attacking LGBTs serve Christ at all. The notion otherwise is unsupported by anything.

You've got THAT right! Jesus Christ is totally left out of the lives of the perverse! The hatred is found in the hearts of those who embrace sin--hatred toward God Himself, and His loving provision for a Saviour and Lord. The attacks you speak of are not attacks at all! They are warnings and voices of truth that you need to heed.

Christophobia lives here. It is behind the initiative to silence moral and godly disapproval of homosexuality.

 

[Floatingaxe]

re

hum... the homosexual agenda.... what's on that agenda anyway... oh yes
1. Stop treating us like second class citizens
2. don't get killed


I'm not Christophobic, but I do get very frustrated with fundamentalists (regardless of religion) that:

• think they can dictate the morals of an entire society
• think they should codify their religious values into law
• who blame minority groups for society ills
• use fear to motivate people
• use the worst case scenario to represent a general population
• lie to prove their point of view
• believe people who don't share your beliefs deserve death or eternal torment
• believe it is acceptable to kill non-believers (mostly islamic fundamentalists, but this goes for people who bomb abortion clinics)

Too late. Christians are the light of the world and the salt of the earth...the true leaders in the world. Morality in society exists because of those who know and love God in the first place!

Sorry about your lack of understanding about Christians and their role in the world given them by God Almighty. Just because you are ignorant of our mandate by Christ, we will continue to forge ahead whether you like it or not.

 

[jamielindas]

Me? shame? Hardly! There is a huge homosexual agenda afoot! It is highly organized and moving at great speed through society, knocking down strongholds of righteousness that have been left unguarded.

Denials of such an agenda are completely unbelievable. It is a Satanic machine that may have you blinded to its source, but it is a Satanic agenda just the same, and the soldiers are misguided and perverse people.




You've got THAT right! Jesus Christ is totally left out of the lives of the perverse! The hatred is found in the hearts of those who embrace sin--hatred toward God Himself, and His loving provision for a Saviour and Lord. The attacks you speak of are not attacks at all! They are warnings and voices of truth that you need to heed.

Christophobia lives here. It is behind the initiative to silence moral and godly disapproval of homosexuality.

My goodness... is this what we call proper christian behavior?
either way... you're not going to save or convert anyone like this... you're far more likely to drive people away from the church.

you should take a look at a better marketing strategy if you actually want results.... if you actually care about saving people... rather than just feeding your own sense of moral superiority.