Proper Christian Behavior Does Not Include

[Floatingaxe]

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If you were not unaware about both groups significantly you would never say such an absurd thing.

I am very aware. I contend that a homosexual is lost, spiritually and in need of a Saviour and Deliverer.

There are Christians who treat LGBTs as persons of dignity and worth but by and large none of them are of the mistaken notion that to profess LGBT love is sinful. From the right wing all I've seen is hatred and ignorance.

Yes, born again, Spirit-led Christians know how to maintain the dignity of the lost. We were lost once ourselves, and we have no right to disparage the lost. It is those who claim Christ who need to be disciplined by the Church, for they bring the Saviour into disrepute. Hypocrisy is a danger to the Church, and such people need to be dealt with severely...it isn't hatred. It is love that disciplines.

So, the ignorance is coming from those who endorse sin, but say they are Christians.

 

[catlover]

Is strokes and heart disease mentioned in the Bible as things that will keep you from inheriting the Kingdom of God? Nope they aren't so not a real good example, me thinks.

The only time I have seen the stats about male to male relationships and HIV/AIDS is when someone from your side of this issue, state it is a false, hateful, bigoted statement. Now I'm not saying that I haven't missed it being brought up in other instances, but just know that is when I have posted stats about this issue.

Find no joy, and I never try to denigrate anyone, but feel that if a misleading statement is given about something then the other side of that coin should also be listed.

Shame????????????????????? Lets see if I am right and homosexuality is a sin that will keep someone from inheriting the Kingdom of God, then where should the shame be placed?

If you get to heaven and find out that homosexuality is a sin, and that all the people you told it wasn't and that they should live and be happy aren't there, how will you feel?

I know personnally that when I get to heaven, and lets say I find out I was wrong I will be so Thankful. I also know that if I am right and was afraid of offending someone so I say nothing to try and save a souled..........................well I guess I should be thankful that there won't be any tears or pain anymore. Since, I don't understand how that can be, all I can say is if we could still feel the pain and shame for not spreading the Gospel and planting sound doctrine...........well I don't know how I could stand the quilt and shame.

HIV is not mentioned in The Bible-

I suppose you don't have the concious to be ashamed of what you are promoting...

 

[Crazy Liz]

I have never witnessed it. In fact, what I do witness is professed Christians proclaiming thenmselves to be homosexuals when that is an oxymoron.

You tell someone, "You don't exist," and then say you have never seen this nonexistent person treated poorly?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Internalized Homophobia. You just came up with a name for my new rap group!

Thanks!

Don't mention it!

 

[ChaliceThunder]

We aren't dealing with homophobia, the favourite coined word of the homosexual agenda.

What we are dealing with is Christophobia, the fear of Christ and Christians who faithfully carry His message.

Most of us here don't have any problem with Christ...in fact, we love and serve him. There is no fear of the One who embraces us so closely with his unfailing love.

Now - fear or revulsion of many of the people who claim to follow Christ is a very real thing, but that's only because many of them tend to act in ways contrary to the teachings of the One they claim to serve.

 

[dead2self]

Texas Lynn, if I have offended you I apologise. But I must admit to wondering how? We have no history, you do not know me. Why the apparent hostility? I understand that being a professing Christian advocating for a homosexual agenda must put you in the line of fire a lot. But certainly not from me.

Your replies to me are rife with apparently deliberate misunderstanding of my comments. I think it is obvious to anyone what my meaning was. You make some accusations and insinuations as to my thoughts, motives and feelings. You take issue with my use of reasonable, neutral language, trying to make it into anti-homosexual slurs.

In particular you claim the the term practicing homosexual is offensive. I ask why? Are the terms practicing attorney, practicing physician, practicing Christian, practising Muslim offensive? I am a practicing Christian. I am also a practicing heterosexual. How is the term offensive? It simply denotes a person is homosexual and not celibate. I would suggest that if that term offends you, when it is identical in usage to many other completely inoffensive terms, then it's you consicence talking to you. If you believe homosexuality to be good, then you cannot reasonably take issue with the term practicing homosexual unless you take offence to the term practicing in relation to anything.

Then there is the term homosexual lifestyle. What is wrong with that? I live a heterosexual lifestyle. Big deal. Let's face the facts. In our culture sex is a major part of our lifestyle. Far too much revolves around it. Therefore making a distinction between homosexual nad heterosexual lifestyle is not denigrating but rather reality.

Of course, you signature reveals the true reason for your hostility. The comment that there is no such thing as a compassionate conservative. Well, I am conservative, so I cannot be compassionate. Well, I must ask you how that is at all a Christian attitude?

For the record,

I am not a homophobe
I do not hate homosexual people
I do not see homosexual acts as any more sinful than what I have done myself
I have no desire to be condescending or denigrating nor was I
I care about people - I would even venture to say I try to act out of love and compassion
Given all that I am a hardcore conservative

I must ask that you not group all conservatives together because some, or many, of the most vocal and visible ones act a certian way. Really, how is that in any way different than what you fight against when it is done to homsexuals?

If you would like to have a loving discussion then I'd be happy to. I'll answer questions you pose honestly. All I ask is that you not hate me because I am conservative. After all, are we not of one Father? Are we not part of the same body?

In Christ's love,

d2s

 

[savedandhappy1]

HIV is not mentioned in The Bible-

I suppose you don't have the concious to be ashamed of what you are promoting...

Did I say that those with HIV/AIDS will not inherit the Kingdom of God?

NO I DIDN'T.

So who is promoting what? You want to turn stuff around and try and make it say something it doesn't.

PROPER CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR DOES NOT INCLUDE................ people who profess to being Christians who state false statements and make accusations that are also false.

Are you hoping people won't fully read all of the post so they will believe what you are promoting? Talk about............nope won't be drawn into lowering myself to that level, sorry, you will have to try it with someone else.

If you get to heaven and find out that homosexuality is a sin, and that all the people you told it wasn't and that they should live and be happy aren't there, how will you feel?

By the way I noticed that even tho I answered your question about shame in the other post you didn't answer the above question from me.

 

[savedandhappy1]

The blaming of homosexuals for a disease is a slur, and, as used here, proves the point of the original post. In short, its mention is an unethical attack on a group of oppressed people.

The rest of this is not applicable to the topic; it simply amounts to attempts to justify bad behavior.

Didn't blame them for a disease, I just posted stats from the CDC or JAMA that stated that the spread of HIV/AIDS, in the USA, is highest in homosexual men.

So do you guys think if you say it enough that everyone who truely reads the post will believe I have said something I haven't.

Unethical attack on a group of people, would that be like........................lying about what someone has posted because they believe that homosexuality is a sin that will keep people from heaven?

Bad behavior, is that when no matter what someone says, another person says they did and said this, even when it is in black and white right before everyones eyes.

Maybe we should start a poll about how many people really read the post, and how many just read what a few on here says they say?

I pray that those who just read and don't post will not be caught in that, but truely read the post for themselves so they will know and see the truth.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Texas Lynn, if I have offended you I apologise. But I must admit to wondering how? We have no history, you do not know me. Why the apparent hostility? I understand that being a professing Christian advocating for a homosexual agenda must put you in the line of fire a lot. But certainly not from me.

Your replies to me are rife with apparently deliberate misunderstanding of my comments. I think it is obvious to anyone what my meaning was. You make some accusations and insinuations as to my thoughts, motives and feelings. You take issue with my use of reasonable, neutral language, trying to make it into anti-homosexual slurs.

In particular you claim the the term practicing homosexual is offensive. I ask why? Are the terms practicing attorney, practicing physician, practicing Christian, practising Muslim offensive? I am a practicing Christian. I am also a practicing heterosexual. How is the term offensive? It simply denotes a person is homosexual and not celibate. I would suggest that if that term offends you, when it is identical in usage to many other completely inoffensive terms, then it's you consicence talking to you. If you believe homosexuality to be good, then you cannot reasonably take issue with the term practicing homosexual unless you take offence to the term practicing in relation to anything.

Then there is the term homosexual lifestyle. What is wrong with that? I live a heterosexual lifestyle. Big deal. Let's face the facts. In our culture sex is a major part of our lifestyle. Far too much revolves around it. Therefore making a distinction between homosexual nad heterosexual lifestyle is not denigrating but rather reality.

Of course, you signature reveals the true reason for your hostility. The comment that there is no such thing as a compassionate conservative. Well, I am conservative, so I cannot be compassionate. Well, I must ask you how that is at all a Christian attitude?

For the record,

I am not a homophobe
I do not hate homosexual people
I do not see homosexual acts as any more sinful than what I have done myself
I have no desire to be condescending or denigrating nor was I
I care about people - I would even venture to say I try to act out of love and compassion
Given all that I am a hardcore conservative

I must ask that you not group all conservatives together because some, or many, of the most vocal and visible ones act a certian way. Really, how is that in any way different than what you fight against when it is done to homsexuals?

If you would like to have a loving discussion then I'd be happy to. I'll answer questions you pose honestly. All I ask is that you not hate me because I am conservative. After all, are we not of one Father? Are we not part of the same body?

In Christ's love,

d2s

Well said.

Praying that your true feelings, beliefs and reasons for posting will be believed and understood, as nothing more then Christian love. Others of us have also tried to explain, and sadly most of us didn't even get our post responded to. Praying.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Jamielindas,

1 Cor 6:9

uses the word fornicators, which I was under the impression that included all 'sexual sins' not just homosexuality

yes. So you agree arsenokoites =same-sex sex and is a sin. Good.

The original translations looks something like this

Whether ye witen not, that wickid men schulen not welde the kyngdom of God? Nyle ye erre; nethir letchours, nether men that seruen mawmetis, nether auouteris,

This is Vogon poetry which comes from The Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogon_poetry
Oh freddled gruntbuggling,
Thy nacturations are to me
As plurdled grabbleblotchits
On a lurgid bee.
Groop, I implore thee, my footing turlingdromes
And hooptiously drangle me
With crinkly binglewurgles,
For otherwise, I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon,
See if I don't!

So I have given you the wording and the source. What’s the source for yours?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear dead2self,
Well said!

I remember reading how a prominent gay and lesbian activist and actor rips certain passages out of the Bible. He didn’t do this because he wasn’t bothered but because he was offended. The people wanted to crucify Christ essentially because they were offended by what He said. I think the question more specifically is why are some people seemingly so offended by the Bible’s condemnation of the sin of same-sex unions as opposed to any other sin such as greed, adultery, theft etc?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Chalice_Thunder,

Most of us here don't have any problem with Christ ...in fact, we love and serve him.

Yes but that’s naughty as we do have a problem with Christ and serving Him otherwise there would be no argument and we would all agree how we love and serve Him. We have afterall identified very different ideas of love.

Now - fear or revulsion of many of the people who claim to follow Christ is a very real thing, but that's only because many of them tend to act in ways contrary to the teachings of the One they claim to serve.

But that sounds like those who promote same-sex unions as they have no teaching to base their acts on. Those who propose avoiding same-sex unions have Christ’s teachings to show.

 

[David Brider]

So I have given you the wording and the source. What’s the source for yours?

Wycliffe's translation of the Bible into Middle English, 1395 AD. (The whole translation can be found here.)

I think that your implicit comparison of a Bible translation with a nonsense poem demonstrates that you have a very low view of Scripture.



David.

 

[David Brider]

Then there is the term homosexual lifestyle. What is wrong with that? I live a heterosexual lifestyle. Big deal. Let's face the facts. In our culture sex is a major part of our lifestyle. Far too much revolves around it. Therefore making a distinction between homosexual nad heterosexual lifestyle is not denigrating but rather reality.

So would you say that your heterosexual lifestyle revolves around heterosexual sex? I suspect not. Similarly, the lifestyles of most homosexual people don't revolve around homosexual sex. Sure, some homosexual people engage in homosexual sex, but that's not the same as their lives revolving around it.

The bigger problem with the term "homosexual lifestyle" is that in reality, there is not one single homosexual lifestyle - rather, there are many homosexual people, all leading their own individual lives and lifestyles. Sure, there's some similarity one with another, but then in my experience, there's a great deal of similarity between the lifestyles of homosexual and heterosexual people. The only difference is who they're likely to be attracted to and (if relevant) who they're likely to be having sex with.

David.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear David Brider,

So would you say that your heterosexual lifestyle revolves around heterosexual sex?

If someone hadn't complained about the term he wouldnt have asked the question how homosexual lifestyle/offenders can possibly be offensive and not heterosexual lifetsyle/offenders.
What you have done is inadvertantly answer the queston by showing the motive behind the offence, you dont accept same-sex sex is error.
Sadly if everyone found any sin they didnt want to be sin an offense, everyone could do as they pleased. The thief would say 'dont tell me theft is ofensive' etc.
However this is a Christian forum and Christians believe Jesus Christ's teaching, so if you find it offensive so be it.

The bigger problem with the term "homosexual lifestyle" is that in reality, there is not one single homosexual lifestyle - rather, there are many homosexual people, all leading their own individual lives and lifestyles.

thats your problem not ours. Our problem is that lifetyles in Christ are not deternmined by sex and the 'homosexual lifetsyle' you refer to is a sexual definituon. You talk of a lifestyle defined by sex as not necesarily involving sex, which is a contradicton in terms

The only difference is who they're likely to be attracted to and (if relevant) who they're likely to be having sex with.

Another contradictuon, attraction is based on what ever attracts, if I am attracted to someone because we have the same unity of heart and mind in Christ, I am not going to have sex withn them if we are of the same sex. All your thinking is sexual activty based, thats what homosexual and heterosexual means, sexual desires.

 

[catlover]

Did I say that those with HIV/AIDS will not inherit the Kingdom of God?

NO I DIDN'T.

So who is promoting what? You want to turn stuff around and try and make it say something it doesn't.

PROPER CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR DOES NOT INCLUDE................ people who profess to being Christians who state false statements and make accusations that are also false.

Are you hoping people won't fully read all of the post so they will believe what you are promoting? Talk about............nope won't be drawn into lowering myself to that level, sorry, you will have to try it with someone else.



By the way I noticed that even tho I answered your question about shame in the other post you didn't answer the above question from me.

YOu have already lowered yourself by creating a hostile enviroment towards peopel who are already looked down upon in society-that is a sin-

I think homosexuals will share heaven with born agains-in fact they may be closer to God than those who are arrogant to state who is going to heaven and who is not. That is up to God not for people who read a Bible-and believe they are above others because they have read a Bible and said on prayer...

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear catlover,

I think homosexuals will share heaven with born agains-in fact they may be closer to God than those who are arrogant to state who is going to heaven and who is not.

based on what? If the Bible indcates those who are arogant and homosexual offenders will not inherit the Kingdom how do you make your discrimination against the arogant?

That is up to God not for people who read a Bible-and believe they are above others because they have read a Bible and said on prayer...

Or perhaps its up to God whose testimony about it, is in the Bible, and some people dont like others pointing it out.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Dear catlover,
based on what? If the Bible indcates those who are arogant and homosexual offenders will not inherit the Kingdom how do you make your discrimination against the arogant?

What makes you think catlover is discriminating? As I read the 2 posts, I think catlover thinks both will be in heaven and you think both will be in hell.

I am curious, though, why you spend so much more time and energy warning homosexuals of hell than warning the arrogant of hell.

 

[savedandhappy1]

YOu have already lowered yourself by creating a hostile enviroment towards peopel who are already looked down upon in society-that is a sin-

I think homosexuals will share heaven with born agains-in fact they may be closer to God than those who are arrogant to state who is going to heaven and who is not. That is up to God not for people who read a Bible-and believe they are above others because they have read a Bible and said on prayer...

I haven't lower myself by quoting Bible scriptures or posting stats, and have never created or been hostile to anyone, so again with the false witness.

You can think what you want on who will be and will not be in heaven, but when it all comes down to it it is the Lord who knows. Who has plainly told and warned us in His Word what will get people into heaven and what will not.

You know it is getting so old when people try to claim that I think I am better then anyone else, but I guess if it is said enough some will believe the lie and a miracle might happen and it become true.........................NOT.
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I thought maybe someone should go back and explain by this thread has went in the direction it has gone. So I thought I would try.

Many months ago someone posted on a thread that HIV/AIDS and homosexuals were not related or something like that. So me not being raised on computer, and not even thinking about the fact that it wasn’t just people talking from the USA, posted some CDC and/or JAMA stats that showed in America the largest number of cases of HIV/AIDS was spread by male to male homosexuals. I also posted stats that showed in several American cities those numbers were real high.

I didn’t add to or take away any information from these stats, and I even posted the links to the stats so that it could be plainly seen that I didn’t do anything but post the stats. A post soon after that pointed out that not everyone posting was from America, and that they were speaking world wide not just certain areas. I apologized for the misunderstanding and posted the stats for world wide spread of HIV/AIDS.

I was told that I was promoting hate, and that I was a prejudice bigot for posting stats that I didn’t make and/or change. I also was called a liar.

Anyhow, this is how this thread has went in this direction, and I am still wondering why I am having people bear false witness against me when all I did was post stats and nothing more.

If someone has problems with the stats then take it up with the CDC, JAMA and all other medical studies that have researched and released this information. Trying to say that I have done something to promote some lies and falsehood is totally ridiculous. As I and several other posted here have said more then once, I have no hate for those who say they are homosexual, and have nothing but love for them, as I do for all of God’s creations.

If I didn’t care I can assure you I would stay here and be lied about on what seems like a daily bases, anymore.

So for those who were wondering how this thread got where it is right now, this is why. No worries though as I have said all there is to say on this matter, and so will not be trying to correct anymore of the lies stated against me and others.

Please everyone read for yourself the post and not lean on someone else’s understanding.

God Bless.

 

[Floatingaxe]

What makes you think catlover is discriminating? As I read the 2 posts, I think catlover thinks both will be in heaven and you think both will be in hell.

I am curious, though, why you spend so much more time and energy warning homosexuals of hell than warning the arrogant of hell.

Why? do you think people are actually planning to go there? In that case, a warning would be useless. However, I believe no one wants to go to hell...but they, in ignorance of the gospel of Christ, are by default, choosing hell. It is our job before God to tell you about how you can avoid being cast into hell.


God's word is clear in telling us who will and who won't go to hell. Read it. Failing that, listen to those who have read it, and do read it daily.