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Featured preachers are scared to say SALVATION CAN BE LOST

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by The Sun, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. The Sun

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    its very very very RARE to hear a modern day preacher preach that salvation can be lost.
    This is biblical and we need the truth spoken over us. Blessings
     
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    Suppose we are in year 2300 now, the Judgement day has suddenly arrived, and we are managed to be living in Paradise now. Imagine yourself in paradise, are you experiencing the loss of population in Paradise? Are some people in Paradise vanish while you are looking at them? No. Thus, saved people are saved with 100%, but only God knows who is saved.
     
  3. Sabertooth

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    It is a hard topic to get right without sounding like works-based legalism (which is equally disqualifying).
     
  4. Paidiske

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    I wouldn't say I'm scared, but I'm not sure that it would be a high homiletical priority for me. Which is to say, of all the things congregations might need to hear, I'm not sure this is near the top of the list...
     
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  5. BrotherD

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    Most preachers nowadays aren't anointed. Most get a degree and assume they can teach. Most don't love the truth. Most just don't know any better.
     
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  6. The Sun

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    Yep. brother d, this is the most essential and unique sermon i have ever heard in my life. it will bless you. <3
     
  7. Carl Emerson

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    Since I have been on the forum - no one, and I mean no one has been able to explain how Jeremiah's prophesy concerning the New Covenant, uniquely detailing the purpose of the indwelling fear of Him, is somehow defeated by our flesh.

    Honestly I wonder how many of you have experienced the Fear of Him.

    How is it possible to conceive of any human action, attitude, intent, stronger than the Fear of God.

    His fear renders you totally undone - prostrate - silenced.

    He declares you are saved.

    No one can snatch you out of His hand - unless you are bigger than God.

    This fear inside you is terrible. This fear inside you is secure.

    Those verses again...

    Jer 32
    39 I will give them one heart and one way, so that they will always fear Me for their own good and for the good of their children after them. 40 I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never turn away from doing good to them, and I will put My fear in their hearts so that they will never turn away from Me. 41 Yes, I will rejoice in doing them good, and I will faithfully plant them in this land with all My heart and soul.…
     
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  8. The Sun

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    Whats the point of repentance if you cant lose your salvation.?
    What motivation is that? How can you further give your heart if every

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    been done? If you are all taken care of once you are born again, whats the point of repen
    tance and doing good works?
    God wants a love relationship with you. He wants you to love him back.
    TO be saved you must BELIEVE and repent, continue to beleive and continue to repent. If once saved always saved was true then its not really a relationship. its more of a contract. and a selfish gain.
     
  9. The Sun

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    If a beleiver has true holy fear of God in them then they are on the right path to salvation.
     
  10. The Sun

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    Why not? And if you are a woman, you do not have teaching authority over a flock. That goes against Gods word.
     
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  11. Paidiske

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    Why is this not a priority? Because in my experience it's not a live issue in the mission and ministry of the church, or the pastoral needs of parishioners.

    This may be partly a cultural thing. I notice that this website, and other American sites I've frequented, have had a lot of discussions of these issues (I assume due to the historic strength of Calvinist traditions in America), but in Australia this just isn't a topic people talk about much, at least not in the circles I've been in.

    Well, I have a license from my bishop which says I do have such authority. I suggest we not derail this thread by debating whether or not that goes against God's word; I see you're new here, but I promise if you stick around you'll see plenty of threads hashing it out ad nauseum.
     
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  12. The Sun

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    Jesus warned us about Hell many many times, far much more than the glories of Heaven, so i think it is VERY essential to teach.preach about this. And a license from a bishop isnt the Word of God. The word of God prohibits women having authourity over men.
     
  13. Carl Emerson

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    Jeremiah is infinitely more definite than that...
     
  14. A_Thinker

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    Perhaps preachers are trying to preach the way that Jesus did ... or Paul ...
     
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  15. Kenny'sID

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    It can be hard, but I think a lot of what contributes to that is because they make it sound that way in order to deceptively help their OSAS along. Help deception with more deception.

    There is nothing works based about being obedient to God, but if we say we must be obedient within reason, they either try to confuse the issue with "What's within reason? We all sin" or flat out accuse us of a works based salvation when no one ever claimed that. We claim "faith and works" because it's biblical. Faith without works is dead. Even they know the scripture on that but clearly choose to ignore it.

    A quick example. The following is scripture that tells us as clearly as possible and beyond any doubt what will happen if we do the things listed, but if we do them, and tell others EXACTLY what the bible, beyond any doubt, tells we must do, then we are told we are works based:

    1 Cor 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were.

    Yet OSAS will still say, if we do those things as a lifestyle, we are either still saved, or their favorite, proven untrue, catch all, "They were never saved to begin with" deception.
     
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  16. Paidiske

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    I can find 148 mentions of heaven in the gospels and 11 of hell, so I don't think that comparison really stacks up.

    Here's the thing, though; for any given service, the preacher needs to look at the people, what's going on for them, what the needs of their community are, and make connections between that and the Scripture readings of the day. What I'm suggesting is that I don't see the question of whether or not salvation can be lost as something which particularly addresses the current spiritual needs of my community.

    That's off topic to this thread. If you care to discuss it elsewhere, we can discuss the nature and extent of authority exercised in a preaching ministry.
     
  17. Kenny'sID

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    Odd, telling those who believe they can act how they like and still get to heaven, something completely not biblical as i showed in my last post, plus them teaching others that, and taking multitudes down with them, would be/is of the highest priority to some of us.

    In saying it's not a thing where you are at, are you saying there is none, or very little OSAS in Australia, or that they just don't think it's important enough to speak against it?
     
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  18. Paidiske

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    I think there's very little of it here. I can't recall that I've ever heard it discussed in real life. My husband does remember encountering it in some student groups when he was at university.
     
  19. Kenny'sID

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    Good. :)

    Wish it were that way here, but instead it's starting to get out of hand. I think the particular theology is the only reason some come to the "faith" here in the first place. If it were the old way, the way I've always known it, it would be more than they'd want to bother with.
     
  20. bcbsr

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    Maybe they're afraid of teaching false doctrine, like you can lose your salvation.

    Losing salvation doesn't even make logical sense. How can someone say that such and such a person has been saved from the wrath to come, they have eternal life and are guaranteed an eternal inheritance. Such is not the case if there's the possibility of it being lost.

    Those who believe salvation can be lost can't say that they "have been saved". They can only say that such a person only has the possibility of being saved in the future, but no guarantee. Yet the rhetoric the Bible uses is inconsistent with the "you can lose your salvation" crowd.

    "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life." John 5:24

    "it is by grace you have been saved, through faith" Eph 2:5,8

    As I see it, and as I've debated with their kind, the reason why people believe salvation can be lost is because they don't believe the gospel.
     
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