People Taking Livestock Drug to Treat COVID

[Arcangl86]

No, it’s about a covid vaccine trial done by Moderna.

The trial abstract states the study had no adverse reactions. The full report written by Moderna details a high level of adverse reactions (124 out of 201 subjects) including at least 10 severe reactions. Adverse reactions to some dosage levels were so high those dosages were dropped from the study.

The report conclusion and abstract were based only on those subjects who were kept to the end of the study. Moderna decided who to keep, the severe reactions were dropped.

Some here insist on touting just the abstract because it supports their bias.

It wasn't a covid vaccine trial. It was for the flu. But they knew the kind of things to be on the look out for in this vaccine's trials.

 

[classical5]

Maybe. That would explain a lot of things about his responses. But my comments were regarding his claims about the vaccine:



As far as taking the horse medicine, it's not approved for antivirus use at all:

The FDA said it approved ivermectin for use “for treatment of certain internal and external parasites in various animal species” and “people should never take animal drugs [as] using these products in humans could cause serious harm”.

Side-effects that could be associated with ivermectin, it said, included “skin rash, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, stomach pain, facial or limb swelling, neurologic adverse events (dizziness, seizures, confusion), sudden drop in blood pressure, severe skin rash potentially requiring hospitalisation, and liver injury (hepatitis).

“Laboratory test abnormalities include decrease in white cell count and elevated liver tests. Any use of ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of Covid-19 should be avoided.”
...
In Mississippi last week, the state health department said at least one person had been hospitalised after ingesting ivermectin.

Dr Thomas Dobbs, Mississippi’s state health officer, said using the drug as a preventative “is really kind of crazy. So please don’t do that.”
...
Additional studies, it said, were needed to determine whether ivermectin “might be appropriate to prevent or treat coronavirus or Covid-19”.
‘You are not a horse’: FDA tells Americans stop taking dewormer for Covid

You don’t know because you don’t work in the field, a lot of medications have off label uses. Gabapentin is approved for seizures but is also a very effective pain reliever, it’s also approved for use in horses and dogs.

It’s an extremely effective pain reliever for dogs when combined with carprofin, it’s far more effective combined than either is alone. The combination is off label.

Tramadol is also used in humans and animals, and has off label uses in both.

Glucosamine and chondroitin for joint treatment started as an unapproved. Use in horses. Same for hyaluronic acid. They were so successful they were used by people, also successfully, long before any approvals.

It’s not surprising ivermectin has off label uses.

Learn the science.

 

[pgp_protector]

Was reading about some users loosing control of their bowel movements in the store.

Ivermectin: Side effects, dosage, uses, and more

• Inability to control urination
• Inability to control bowel movements

 

[classical5]

It wasn't a covid vaccine trial. It was for the flu. But they knew the kind of things to be on the look out for in this vaccine's trials.

Yes, thanks.

 

[The Barbarian]

You don’t know because you don’t work in the field, a lot of medications have off label uses. Gabapentin is...

... a bunny trail we won't be going down, today.

You don't know, because you just listen to people who don't know any better than you do, but ivermectin is not approved, or even emergency authorized for treatment of COVID-19.

If you and your healthcare provider decide to use an approved drug for an unapproved use to treat your disease or medical condition, remember that FDA has not determined that the drug is safe and effective for the unapproved use.
Understanding Unapproved Use of Approved Drugs "Off Label"

Predictably...

CDC seeing increased misuse of Ivermectin as misinformation about drug's effect on COVID-19 spreads
Poison control centers seeing increased calls
Because the drug is not approved for use in treating COVID-19, those taking the drugs are determining their own dosage — often with disastrous results.
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In July, poison control centers across the country saw a "five-fold increase" in the number of calls linked to Ivermectin overdoses, incidents that oftentimes end with emergency room visits.

The CDC also noted that Ivermectin products designed for large animals are particularly harmful to humans, as they're "highly concentrated" and contain inactive ingredients that have not been studied in humans.

According to the CDC, patients who take Ivermectin may experience "gastrointestinal effects, headache, blurred vision, dizziness, tachycardia, hypotension, visual hallucinations, altered mental status, confusion, loss of coordination and balance, central nervous system depression, and seizures."
https://www.fox47news.com/news/nati...mation-about-drugs-effect-on-covid-19-spreads

 

[classical5]

... a bunny trail we won't be going down, today.

You don't know, because you just listen to people who don't know any better than you do, but ivermectin is not approved, or even emergency authorized for treatment of COVID-19.

If you and your healthcare provider decide to use an approved drug for an unapproved use to treat your disease or medical condition, remember that FDA has not determined that the drug is safe and effective for the unapproved use.
Understanding Unapproved Use of Approved Drugs "Off Label"

Predictably...

CDC seeing increased misuse of Ivermectin as misinformation about drug's effect on COVID-19 spreads
Poison control centers seeing increased calls
Because the drug is not approved for use in treating COVID-19, those taking the drugs are determining their own dosage — often with disastrous results.
...
In July, poison control centers across the country saw a "five-fold increase" in the number of calls linked to Ivermectin overdoses, incidents that oftentimes end with emergency room visits.

The CDC also noted that Ivermectin products designed for large animals are particularly harmful to humans, as they're "highly concentrated" and contain inactive ingredients that have not been studied in humans.

According to the CDC, patients who take Ivermectin may experience "gastrointestinal effects, headache, blurred vision, dizziness, tachycardia, hypotension, visual hallucinations, altered mental status, confusion, loss of coordination and balance, central nervous system depression, and seizures."
https://www.fox47news.com/news/nati...mation-about-drugs-effect-on-covid-19-spreads

Odd you just cut and paste and almost ever from actual medical literature. That’s ignorance masquerading as knowledge, or trying to.

 

[The Barbarian]

Odd you just cut and paste and almost ever from actual medical literature.

Actually, much of it is from scientific journals, not just medical journals. You should go directly to those journals and read them, rather than let other people tell you whats in them. That's why I cite them for you; if you actually care, you could look them up and read the whole article. If you even bothered to read the abstract, you wouldn't be embarrassed like this:

I stand corrected. There was a human trial. But you didn’t bother to read the actual study.

If you did, you didn't learn anything from it. As you now realize.
Serious Adverse Events
Serious adverse events were defined as any untoward medical occurrence that resulted in death, was life-threatening, required inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization, or resulted in persistent disability or incapacity. The proportions of participants who reported at least one serious adverse event were 1% in the vaccine group and 1% in the placebo group.

In other words, there was no difference in the number of serious adverse events in people taking the vaccine, compared to those taking a placebo. No difference. Any person with normal intelligence would have caught this, if they had actually read the report. You did not.

That’s ignorance masquerading as knowledge, or trying to.

 

[FreeinChrist]

No, it’s about a covid vaccine trial done by Moderna.

The trial abstract states the study had no adverse reactions. The full report written by Moderna details a high level of adverse reactions (124 out of 201 subjects) including at least 10 severe reactions. Adverse reactions to some dosage levels were so high those dosages were dropped from the study.

The report conclusion and abstract were based only on those subjects who were kept to the end of the study. Moderna decided who to keep, the severe reactions were dropped.

Some here insist on touting just the abstract because it supports their bias.

Are you referring to the full article here?:
mRNA vaccines against H10N8 and H7N9 influenza viruses of pandemic potential are immunogenic and well tolerated in healthy adults in phase 1 randomized clinical trials - ScienceDirect

You are not being clear because the study involved two countries - 201 involved in the study done in Germany and 156 involved in the US. It was for using a mRNA vaccine for 2 different avian influenza strains.

Of the 201 in Germany, 145 got the IM injection and 56 got intradermal injections. Of the 145, they were split between doses of 25, 50, 75, 100, and 400 µg. (The 56 ID injections were split between 25µg or 50µg.)
Of the 37 given 75µg IM, the second vaccination was withheld because of minimal safety concerns found in the 100 µg group.

Of the 56 that got it ID, 17 did not get the 2nd vaccine because of local reactions.

I guess I wonder about your concern. Only 54 of the 201 in the German part of the study did not get the second vaccine because of minimal safety concerns or local reactions.

The study includes:

Overall, 124 unsolicited AEs were reported in the IM dose groups. The most common unsolicited AEs were upper respiratory traMinor ct infection, back pain, pharyngitis, and oropharyngeal pain. Three severe unsolicited AEs (back pain, tonsillitis, ruptured ovarian cyst) and 2 SAEs (cholecystitis, ruptured ovarian cyst) were reported and deemed unrelated to vaccination. No AESIs or cases of new onset of chronic illness were reported.
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Minor reactions are not a reason to fear the vaccine. The study was also done to look at various doses.

 

[The Barbarian]

The trial abstract states the study had no adverse reactions.

No, if you had bothered to read it, you would have found:
"No vaccine-related serious adverse event was reported." And "Significant cell-mediated responses were not detected in either study."