People Taking Livestock Drug to Treat COVID

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Well all we need is the media and GOV to tell us how safe it is.. were good to go :(

"Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug commonly used for livestock, should not be taken to treat or prevent Covid-19, the Food and Drug Administration said on Saturday.

The warning came a day after the Mississippi State Department of Health issued a similar statement in response to reports that an increasing number of people in Mississippi were using the drug to prevent a Covid infection."
 
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Country folks have been dosing with Ivermectin for decades, and the rest of you all are just know hearing about it.

Anti-parasitic, anti-viral.

Kills the flu deader than a doornail.

Kills COVID.

Almost* impossible for a rational person to overdose on it (FDA is lying)

The backlash is BECAUSE IT WORKS. We can't have anything OTHER than the 'vaccine', or it ruins the plans of some very rich, very powerful people. Same thing happened to HCQ, remember? That has been (as well as Ivermectin) VERY successful in countries like India...which you never hear about on American MSM because that goes against the narrative you're having pushed on you.
 
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Please tell me you're joking.

Didn't you read the OP link, at all? This is the first paragraph:

"The Mississippi State Department of Health issued an alert on Friday that the Mississippi Poison Control Center has received an increasing number of calls from people who have taken the drug known as ivermectin -- and that at least 70% of such calls related to "ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers."

Did you click the link I posted from webmd? This is the second paragraph:

"The drug, ivermectin, has been used widely used for decades. It was introduced as a veterinary drug in the 1970s. Doctors also prescribe it to treat head lice, scabies, and other infections caused by parasites."

Therefore, I asked the question: Is Covid-19 a parasite? Not expecting to get an answer here... I went looking, and found this research paper:

"As we consider SARS-CoV-2 and the COVID-19 pandemic, it is essential that scientists, governments, the media, and the general population also come to grips with the everyday cost of parasitic diseases. Plasmodium (malaria), schistosomes, filarial worms, hookworms, Ascaris, whipworms, and other protozoan and metazoan parasites take a tremendous toll on local communities."
Parasites and Parasitology in this SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19 World: An American Society of Parasitologists Presidential Address - PubMed

So... my next question: What is Plasmodium?

"The intra-erythrocytic development of the malaria parasite Plasmodium falciparum depends on the uptake of a number of essential nutrients from the host cell and blood plasma."
Human plasma plasminogen internalization route in Plasmodium falciparum-infected erythrocytes - PubMed

Blood-plasma dollars, sprang to mind.

Along with this fascinating factoid:

"A number of countries don’t allow people who have just been vaccinated to give blood, as well as banning those in recovery from coronavirus. With others simply staying home as new infections rise, doctors say donor pools have shrunk to alarmingly low levels, menacing urgent operations."
In COVID hangover, as more around world get vaccinated, fewer give blood
 
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Conclusion from the study sounds like Ivermectin works. Never heard of it before. I wonder if this is reliable data?

Conclusion
Ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID-19. The probability that an ineffective treatment generated results as positive as the 63 studies to date is estimated to be 1 in 1 trillion. As expected for an effective treatment, early treatment is more successful, with an estimated reduction of 72% in the effect measured using random effects meta-analysis (RR 0.28 [0.18-0.45]). 37% and 96% lower mortality is observed for early treatment and prophylaxis (RR 0.63 [0.38-1.04] and 0.04 [0.00-0.59]). Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, hospitalization, recovery, cases, and viral clearance. The consistency of positive results across a wide variety of heterogeneous studies is remarkable, with 92% of the 63 studies reporting positive effects (27 statistically significant in isolation).
 
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Didn't you read the OP link, at all? This is the first paragraph:

"The Mississippi State Department of Health issued an alert on Friday that the Mississippi Poison Control Center has received an increasing number of calls from people who have taken the drug known as ivermectin -- and that at least 70% of such calls related to "ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers."

Did you click the link I posted from webmd? This is the second paragraph:

"The drug, ivermectin, has been used widely used for decades. It was introduced as a veterinary drug in the 1970s. Doctors also prescribe it to treat head lice, scabies, and other infections caused by parasites."

Therefore, I asked the question: Is Covid-19 a parasite? Not expecting to get an answer here... I went looking, and found this research paper:

"As we consider SARS-CoV-2 and the COVID-19 pandemic, it is essential that scientists, governments, the media, and the general population also come to grips with the everyday cost of parasitic diseases. Plasmodium (malaria), schistosomes, filarial worms, hookworms, Ascaris, whipworms, and other protozoan and metazoan parasites take a tremendous toll on local communities."
Parasites and Parasitology in this SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19 World: An American Society of Parasitologists Presidential Address - PubMed

So... my next question: What is Plasmodium?

"The intra-erythrocytic development of the malaria parasite Plasmodium falciparum depends on the uptake of a number of essential nutrients from the host cell and blood plasma."
Human plasma plasminogen internalization route in Plasmodium falciparum-infected erythrocytes - PubMed

Blood-plasma dollars, sprang to mind.

Along with this fascinating factoid:

"A number of countries don’t allow people who have just been vaccinated to give blood, as well as banning those in recovery from coronavirus. With others simply staying home as new infections rise, doctors say donor pools have shrunk to alarmingly low levels, menacing urgent operations."
In COVID hangover, as more around world get vaccinated, fewer give blood

None of that even implies that COVID is a parasite. It's a virus.
 
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Didn't you read the OP link, at all? This is the first paragraph:

"The Mississippi State Department of Health issued an alert on Friday that the Mississippi Poison Control Center has received an increasing number of calls from people who have taken the drug known as ivermectin -- and that at least 70% of such calls related to "ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers."

Did you click the link I posted from webmd? This is the second paragraph:

"The drug, ivermectin, has been used widely used for decades. It was introduced as a veterinary drug in the 1970s. Doctors also prescribe it to treat head lice, scabies, and other infections caused by parasites."

Therefore, I asked the question: Is Covid-19 a parasite? Not expecting to get an answer here... I went looking, and found this research paper:

"As we consider SARS-CoV-2 and the COVID-19 pandemic, it is essential that scientists, governments, the media, and the general population also come to grips with the everyday cost of parasitic diseases. Plasmodium (malaria), schistosomes, filarial worms, hookworms, Ascaris, whipworms, and other protozoan and metazoan parasites take a tremendous toll on local communities."
Parasites and Parasitology in this SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19 World: An American Society of Parasitologists Presidential Address - PubMed

So... my next question: What is Plasmodium?

"The intra-erythrocytic development of the malaria parasite Plasmodium falciparum depends on the uptake of a number of essential nutrients from the host cell and blood plasma."
Human plasma plasminogen internalization route in Plasmodium falciparum-infected erythrocytes - PubMed

Blood-plasma dollars, sprang to mind.

Along with this fascinating factoid:

"A number of countries don’t allow people who have just been vaccinated to give blood, as well as banning those in recovery from coronavirus. With others simply staying home as new infections rise, doctors say donor pools have shrunk to alarmingly low levels, menacing urgent operations."
In COVID hangover, as more around world get vaccinated, fewer give blood

None of that even implies that COVID is a parasite. It's a virus.

Whatever you say.

My wife and I got covid-19. Our doctor prescribed a medication used to treat parasites in livestock.
 
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I'm not arguing that it doesn't work. I'm arguing that it is dumb to take a horse pill and expect not to have terrible side effects.

Horrific side effect.

You have one smelly bowel movement after your first dose.

Oh no!!!!!!
 
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Wait... Is Covid-19 a parasite?

In a sense. But "parasite" is normally used to describe eukaryotic organisms excluding bacteria and viruses.
Probably because parasitology is often taught as a division of zoology. But technically, pathogenic bacteria and viruses could be considered parasites, if they gain some benefit (as most of them do) from infection other organisms.
 
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It looks like an independent website for just that - how can we trust it?

One source of reliable scientific and medical research:
PubMed


Clin Pharmicol Ther 2020 Oct;108(4):762-765. doi: 10.1002/cpt.1889. Epub 2020 Jun 7.

The Approved Dose of Ivermectin Alone is not the Ideal Dose for the Treatment of COVID-19
Abstract

Caly et al.1 reported that ivermectin inhibited severe acute respiratory syndrome-coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro for up to 48 hours using ivermectin at 5 μM. The concentration resulting in 50% inhibition (IC50 ; 2 µM) was > 35× higher than the maximum plasma concentration (Cmax ) after oral administration of the approved dose of ivermectin when given fasted. Simulations were conducted using an available population pharmacokinetic model to predict total (bound and unbound) and unbound plasma concentration-time profiles after a single and repeat fasted administration of the approved dose of ivermectin (200 μg/kg), 60 mg, and 120 mg. Plasma total Cmax was determined and then multiplied by the lungplasma ratio reported in cattle to predict the lung Cmax after administration of each single dose. Plasma ivermectin concentrations of total (bound and unbound) and unbound concentrations do not reach the IC50 , even for a dose level 10× higher than the approved dose. Even with the high lungplasma ratio, ivermectin is unlikely to reach the IC50 in the lungs after single oral administration of the approved dose (predicted lung: 0.0873 µM) or at doses 10× higher that the approved dose administered orally (predicted lung: 0.820 µM). In summary, the likelihood of a successful clinical trial using the approved dose of ivermectin is low. Combination therapy should be evaluated in vitro. Repurposing drugs for use in coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) treatment is an ideal strategy but is only feasible when product safety has been established and experiments of repurposed drugs are conducted at clinically relevant concentrations.


Anyone using this drug would have to do it as an investigational procedure, and there would be some serious risks, even with extensive safeguards. It's a huge "maybe" at this time. It would be very foolish to even consider taking it on one's own, without close medical supervision.
 
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In a sense. But "parasite" is normally used to describe eukaryotic organisms excluding bacteria and viruses.
Probably because parasitology is often taught as a division of zoology. But technically, pathogenic bacteria and viruses could be considered parasites, if they gain some benefit (as most of them do) from infection other organisms.

India’s Ivermectin Blackout
 
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But what of India where the delta variant first emerged in October?

The situation is still bad, data shows, but not as bad as it was when the second wave peaked in the country, when daily new cases were more than 400,000. On May 7, India reported a staggering 414,188 new infections and several thousand deaths.

Fortunately, cases have declined significantly since then. On Thursday, India reported 41,383 new coronavirus infections and 507 new deaths, the Indian Health Ministry tweeted.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/coronavirus-how-india-is-doing-now-after-delta-variant-spread.html


What interests me is that an astonishing 2/3 of all Indians have circulating antibodies against the virus.
Chandrakant Lahariya, a doctor based in New Delhi who is also a vaccines, public policy and health systems expert, told CNBC that India is not out of the woods yet.

“The findings of the fourth national sero-survey .... corroborates what many had suspected: 67.6% of the total population and 62% of those who have not been vaccinated have developed antibodies (against Covid). Nearly all age groups above 6 years have antibodies. This shows the extent of virus spread in the second wave,” he noted.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/coronavirus-how-india-is-doing-now-after-delta-variant-spread.html


So given that we know such antibodies go away relatively quickly, this is a great opportunity to get most Indians vaccinated.


The Modi government is working on that, but there are all sorts of difficulties, including lack of medical personnel and problems getting to rural communities.

Here's one group, with a protocol for imvermectin:
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I'm not arguing that it doesn't work. I'm arguing that it is dumb to take a horse pill and expect not to have terrible side effects.

It’s not a “horse pill”. It comes as a paste, powder and pill, the concentration varies by animal, it’s used for all kinds of mammals including people.

Many animal medications are the exact same as those used for people. In fact, when vets are out of a particular medication they write a prescription that you fill at your pharmacy.
 
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