[ROMANS 11:29] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
What does that mean? It means that a person can't suddenly decide to "repent of (give up)" the gifts and calling of God.
some translations say: [ROMANS 11:29] For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.
Only the
GIVER of a gift has the ability to
repent of giving it. Some translations use, "irrevocable", because they understand that
the action here is entirely from God. Thus, GOD will never repent of nor revoke the gift.
Does this preclude OUR ability to REJECT the gift?
NO!!!
And Peter says, "the inheritance is enternal and undefiled and will never perish", but he also says "it is reserved in Heaven for us" (1:1:4) But, what of our GRASP of that inheritance? Our GRASP is called, "salvation". John says, "he who HAS the Son has the life, I write this that you may KNOW you have eternal life." But what if one walks away, and no longer has the Son? Does he still have the life?
This thread begins as "tough OSAS passages explained". I just posted on another forum, I would like to copy here what I posted. I give you a list, of more than two dozen verses, that I do not think can be explained by OSAS people. I would really like to have these "tough passages" explained to me, in accomodation of OSAS: (They are listed in a semblance of order---#1 goes with #2, if "#1-abiding in Him is salvation", then what of "#2-not-abiding"? #7 goes with #8---that it is POSSIBLE to fall from steadfastness)
If you intend to argue from the NEGATIVE-RHETORICAL-HYPOTHETICAL position, IOW, "oh he's just being OBLIQUE, it can't REALLY HAPPEN but he's just saying WHAT IF for EMPHASIS", then defend the RHETORICAL understanding, instead of it SIMPLY STATING THE FACTS:
1. "Abide in Me, and I in you; If anyone does NOT abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch, and dries up; and they gather them and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." Jesus, in Jn15:4-6
(In case you think ABIDING IN HIM is not salvation, please read 1Jn4:15-16)
2. "Watch yourselves that you not lose what you have accomplished, but that you may receive full reward. Anyone who goes to far and does not abide in the teachings of Christ HAS NOT GOD." 2Jn1:8-9 (See 1Jn5:12-13)
(In case you think "reward" can never mean "Heaven ITSELF", please see Col3:23-24: "Whatever you do, do heartily, as for the Lord rather than for men; knowing that from the Lord you will receive THE REWARD OF THE INHERITANCE". The INHERITANCE is HEAVEN {1Pet1:4})
3. "Therefore DO NOT THROW AWAY YOUR CONFIDENCE, which has great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, YOU MAY RECEIVE THE PROMISE." Heb10:35-36 (Exactly what is "THE PROMISE"? It is ETERNAL LIFE! 1Jn2:25!!!)
3½. When you combine Heb10;35, With 10:19, "Since therefore, brethren, we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, his flesh, ...let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water... Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering..." Those two together, seem iron-clad <b>against OSAS</b>. Our confidence is through the blood of Jesus, by which we now enter the Holy Place (WITH/THROUGH Him---see Heb6:19-20). I do not find it even remotely conceivable to "tag" this as "another negative-rhetorical-hypothetical couldn't REALLY HAPPEN". It says, "DON'T THROW AWAY YOUR CONFIDENCE, DON'T THROW AWAY JESUS!"
4. "How much severer punishment do you think he will receive, he who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant BY WHICH he WAS SANCTIFIED, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?" Heb10:29 (Can anyone who was NEVER SAVED, have BEEN sanctified by His blood? No!)
5. "For this reason we must pay much closer attention to what things have been heard (faith comes from hearing), lest we drift away from it. ...how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?" Heb2:1-3
6. "Take care, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, in falling away from the living God. But encourage one another, while it is still called "today", lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end." Heb3:12-14
7. "Although you were formerly alienated and hostile, doing evil deeds, yet now He has reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you holy and blameless and beyond reproach---if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast and not moved away from the hope of the Gospel
" Col1:22-23
(The HOPE of the Gospel, is JESUS---1Tim1:1---"not moved away from JESUS!")
8. "You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard lest, being carried away by the error of unprincipled men, you FALL FROM YOUR OWN STEADFASTNESS; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." 2Peter3:17-18 (Didn't #7, Col1:23, say IF you CONTINUE in steadfastness???)
9. "For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins. Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and election of you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; for in this way the EISODOS-ENTRANCE/GATE of (Heaven) will be abundantly supplied to you." 2Pet1:10-11
10. "Keep standing firm, and do not be SUBJECT AGAIN to a yoke of slavery. Every man who receives circumcision (towards justification), is under obligation to keep the whole Law. You have been SEVERED FROM CHRIST, you who would be justified by law, you have FALLEN FROM GRACE." Gal5:1-4
11. "KEEP YOURSELVES in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ TO ETERNAL LIFE". Jude21
12. "He who endures to the end will be saved." Matt24:13, 10:22, Mk13:13.
13. "By your endurance you will gain your PSUCHE-souls". Luke 21:19
14. "Fight the good fight, keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have REJECTED and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. Among these Hymenaeus and Alexander
" 1Timothy 1:18-20
15. "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience..."
1Timothy 4:1-6:
16. "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ." Col2:8
17. "My brethren (Christians?), if any of YOU strays from the truth (falls from salvation?), and another leads him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul (Greek: "Psuche" {Rev20:4}) from DEATH (Greek: "Thanatos"---death-and-HELL), and covered a multitude of sins." James 5:19-20
(Contrast this with James 2:26, "spirit" is "Pnuema", "death" is "nekros"
)
18. "But I buffet my body and make it my slave, lest possibly, after I have preached to others, I myself should be disqualified." 1Corinthians 9:27
19. "do not be cause for stumbling that our weaker brethren, for whom Christ died, be ruined". 1Corinthians 8:9-13
20. "Obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls" (1Pet1:9---notice it is couched as "your faith", not "the faith that God has given you"...)
21. "For if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him; if we deny Him, He also will deny us; if we are faithless, He remains faithful---for He cannot deny Himself." 2Tim2:11-13, Matt10:32-33. (If we deny Him, will we still reign with Him? If we are faithless, can we faithlessly still go to Heaven?)
22. "Therefore, let us fear lest, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it." Heb4:1
23. "Beware your adversary the devil, who prowls the world like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." 1Pet5:8 To what group of people was that written??? (1Pet5:1)
24. "Let us lay aside every encumbrance, and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the AUTHOR (Greek: 'Archegos'---leader) and finisher (Greek: "Teleiotes"---perfecter by example) of faith;
for consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you may not grow weary and lose heart." Heb12:1-3
13. "If, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the true knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ they become again entangled in them and overcome, the second state is worse than the first. Far better to have never KNOWN THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, than having known, to turn away from the holy commandment." 2Pet2:20-21 Why are the "escaped from world-corruption through true knowledge of Lord & Savior Jesus", from 2Pet1:3-4 SAVED (and they undeniably are), but the "escaped world-defilements through true knowledge of Lord & Savior Jesus" from 2Pet2:20-21, WERE NEVER SAVED? They both use "Apopheugo-ESCAPED", they both use "Epignosis-TRUE-KNOWLEDGE", they both say "
of the LORD and SAVIOR Jesus Christ"? Why is the first group saved but the second is not?