OSAS is biblical, "Perseverance of the Saints" is not.

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We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone.
Yes, we are saved by faith "that trusts in Christ alone for salvation," but saving faith "does not remain alone - barren of works."
 
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We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone.

Yes, we are saved by faith "that trusts in Christ alone for salvation," but saving faith "does not remain alone - barren of works."
This was addressed in the OP, and in another, similar, thread by the same member, ( @Cockcrow ) I think, who presents the saying as not only false but as endemic or basic to Calvinism. It is only a saying —a clever and concise way to make a point— and not a tenet of Calvinism nor Reformed Theology.
 
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This was addressed in the OP, and in another, similar, thread by the same member, ( @Cockcrow ) I think, who presents the saying as not only false but as endemic or basic to Calvinism. It is only a saying —a clever and concise way to make a point— and not a tenet of Calvinism nor Reformed Theology.
The OP misrepresents the beliefs of Calvinism.
One can embrace salvation as described in Ephesians 2:1-9 without rejecting that Ephesians 2:10 is also true.
Ephesians 2:10 may not be the CAUSE of Ephesians 2:8-9, however James is correct that a faith that yields no works (mere intellectual assent) is no different than the demons posses and does not save anyone. True faith yields true salvation which is transformative ... and transformations have a way of being reflected in our lives.
 
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It is talking about saved people, not saying losing your salvation, it is talking about being punished by God in this world. over and over the Bible warns us of sinning and the consequences of sin. God is not mocked, you reap what you sow, not losing your salvation
It seems to me that both sides of this argument make an assumption that is not in scripture. That being any believer in his present life has salvation. You are talking about losing it, but where does it say one actually has it.?
 
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It seems to me that both sides of this argument make an assumption that is not in scripture. That being any believer in his present life has salvation. You are talking about losing it, but where does it say one actually has it.?
What does this mean if not “one actually has it”?

John 3:14-18 [NKJV]
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”​
 
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What does this mean if not “one actually has it”?

John 3:14-18 [NKJV]
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”​
You quote a text but you don't explain how the text shows that a believer has been saved in ones present life. I don't see it in this verse.
 
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