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not really.....rnmomof7 said:With age comes wisdom
I agree 100% with you on this one. I know several older people that act as if their more like 15...lolxtxArchxAngelxtx said:not really.....
I know some very idiotic old people....
You can grow old and not learn a darn thing.
With MATURITY comes wisdom.
Maam, can you explain to me then how people in the Old Testament that was under the law, saved??? You quote we have to be perfet, was any perfect in the Old Testament? But yet we see Moses, David, Deborah, Abraham, Daniel, Joshua, Malachi,Noah and his family, and lots of others that were "under the law" but yet they were children of God.rnmomof7 said:I almost overlooked this post Joe
Could you show me where it speaks of the Galatians loosing their salvation?
Galatians deals not with the denial of Christ , or a false Christ..it deals with adding to the gospel a work (circumcision and the laws of the Jews)
I believe that you know that this dispute was dealt with at the council of Jerusalem . The council did not condemn those that looked to the Jewish tradition as lost.
It simply made a ruling that Gentiles were not held to the laws of the Jews.
The context of this epistle shows that Paul assumes the readers saved status from the beginning of the epistle (1:2-4). He reminds them that they were called in the grace of Christ (1:6). The concept of grace is at the heart of the proper interpretation of Galatians, and at the heart of the Galatians misunderstanding of their relationship with God. Apparently they did not understand all the implications of their salvation by grace and were easily confused by false teachers (1:6-9; 3:1;4:17; 5:7,12).
Paul is seeking to dissuade the Galatian believers from trusting in the Old Testament law as a means of sanctification. That would be contrary to the principle of salvation by grace.
That is why he criticized Peter for not being consistent with grace (2:11-14) and explained I do not set aside the grace of God(2:21). Since the Galatians began their Christian lives in the Spirit they should not think they could grow to maturity by their own fleshly efforts at keeping the law
(3:2-3). The law only brings a curse (3:10).
As believers who have been justified through faith, the Galatians are now sons of God (3:26) and no longer slaves to the law (4:5-7). They need to stand fast in their liberty and not become entangled in the bondage of the law (5:1). If they revert to legalism, Christ will not profit them in sanctification (5:2), because keeping the external requirements of the law by fleshly efforts cannot bring anyone closer to God. To be acceptable to God, he must keep the whole law perfectly (5:3), an impossibility
Dr. Charlie Bing, GraceLife Ministries,
Joe what I find most interesting is you believe that Galatians are lost for doing exactly what you do. Failing to believe the work of Christ is sufficent, they they have to "do" something to assure or keep their salvation.
No Maam my sister. I am Pentecostal.Rosa Mystica said:joevberry3,
Just out of curiousity, are you a Catholic?
Everybody sins. But there is a very big difference of Walking in sin and making mistakes.JVD said:So Joe....Do you ever sin?
Hi Curt. Can you go to this thread and see how these "believers' are downing Joevberry3's website? I know you are a true man of God and just wanted to see what you would have to say about it. ThanksCurt said:joevberry3,
Sorry I didn't pick up the fact that someone else said it, so we are in agreement.
Everybody sins. But there is a very big difference of Walking in sin and making mistakes.
If a man says he knows me, but WALKS in darkness he is a liar. thats Jesus's own words.
Walks in darkness? That means walking in sin. We cant say a prayer, continue living in darkness willfully and continually and think we are really saved.
God Bless
Yeah this is what Joe believes. He believes in OSAS as long as we walk in the light.JVD said:OK...We agree. Is this also what Joe believes? Although I am very definetely OSAS, I can agree with the above statement completely.
I don't believe that a person who is saved will habitually and purposefully walk in sin. After all, if he is really saved he is a new creature, old things are passed away, all things are new.
speakingthetruth777 said:Yeah this is what Joe believes. He believes in OSAS as long as we walk in the light.
he is not to those that use OSAS to mean we can sin at willand there is no consequences on our salvation. To many people have died and went to Hell cause their pastor told them, yeah you said that prayer, and since you cant lose it, yeah your going to Heaven.
Thanks
There is no man without sin, the bible says if anyone says that he is a liar .
I do not know a Christian that does not hate sin...but like Paul they do things they do not want to do.
Someone that believes that a man may sin as he wills and be exempt from the penalty and stay saved was never saved. The word says when we are saved we are dead to sin ..that we are no longer the servants of sin. We have changed our master to Christ.So someone that has besetting sin was never made dead to sin..he has never been saved.
To teach that once saved we may sin and take pleasure in it is a heresy called antinomianism.
But to teach that Committing a sin could cast one their salvation makes the cross of no effect*. We move to an earned salvation..being saved because you deserve it . That is not a salvation by grace or mercy .
Heaven will be full of sinners as hell will be. The difference is that those that have put on Christ have their sins covered.
When we approach God for judgement He will look to see if we are properly dressed (like the guest in the wedding parable). If we are not clothed in Christ we will be bared.
All this being said , it is the grace of God that keeps us. We could never keep ourselves.
It is God that saves us, justifies us, sanctifies us and that glorifies us .
Salvation is all of God , not one wit of us .
JVD said:And I also agree with this.
I also think that the statement that osas pastors commonly tell their flock to go and sin all you want ( as opposed to go and sin no more), is an extreme exaggeration. I have attended many, many such churches for more than 30 years and I have NEVER...EVER heard a pastor say anything close to that.
Yes, it is possible for a saved person to sin and not lose their salvation. But it is not possible for a saved person to flaunt their ability to sin and show no desire to live for God. Although only God sees the heart, that person is likely NOT saved.
AmenIs it possible for a person to live a sinless life here on earth? Not unless you are Jesus Christ.
If a person is depending on their sinlessness to enter God's eternal presence...they aren't going to make it.
joevberry3 said:Maam, can you explain to me then how people in the Old Testament that was under the law, saved???
You quote we have to be perfet, was any perfect in the Old Testament? But yet we see Moses, David, Deborah, Abraham, Daniel, Joshua, Malachi,Noah and his family, and lots of others that were "under the law" but yet they were children of God.
I believe the work of Christ is sufficient, but it still does NOT give us a license to sin, do you not understand that?
Joe
www.arkwebshost.com/biblestudies/joevberry3/
Also you gave a name for that kind of teaching in an earlier post. So please tell, how can there be a name for that teaching if it doesnt happen?rnmomof7 said:I have attended Assemblies, Baptist , Wesleyan and Reformed churches and NEVER have I EVER heard a pastor say anything near that ..I would like the name of the church where that was "heard" First of all, lets clear something up, I dont lie, so your insinuating im lieing. I dont call nor insinuate you lie, so lets keep it at an adult level here. As i said in my last post, go buy Sam Morris's book. He is Baptist and holds to OSAS and read what he says. Or will you still say i made it all up???
No, i dont give names of churches on these forums.
I can email you an email i got from a young girl and her pastor. She is into witchcraft, but at one time had said the sinners prayer. Now, into witchcraft, but yet her Pastor is telling her, yeah your saved. Who's lying? Him or God?
I have been in a church where a Pastor told his congregation---go murder someone, you still wont lose your salvation...is he not kinda telling them its OK to sin?? Come on now.
I couldnt believe the approximately 150 people there was giving Amens at that teaching. i walked out.
My God said in His word if a man claims he knows me, but walks in darkness he is a liar. Those arent my words, those are God's words.
Now, to some questions.
1. Can we lose fellowship with God because of sin?
2.If you had a kid and told that kid, son nothing you do i will never ever discipline you, are you teaching that child to be obedient?
3.Explain why you believe it cant be lost? i mean salvation? Is it because Jesus's blood covers all of our sins, past, present and future?
If someone does not a life that gives testimony to the change that God has made .I do not believe they were ever saved. What about people that for years live a life that gives testimony to God then later in life, no longer do? Amen
Another Amen
"We take the position that a Christian's sins do not **** his soul! The way a Christian lives, what he says, his character, his conduct, or his attitude toward other people have nothing whatever to do with the salvation of his soul .All the prayers a man may pray, all the Bibles he may read, all the churches he may belong to, all the services he may attend, all the sermons he may practice, all the debts he my pay, all the ordinances he may observe, all the laws he may keep, all the benevolent acts he may perform will not make his soul one whit safer; and all the sins he may commit from idolatry to murder will not make his soul in any more danger .The way a man lives has nothing whatever to do with the salvation of his soul" (Sam Morris was the "Pastor" of the First Baptist Church in Stamford, Texas, when he stated the foregoing).
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