Originally posted by eldermike
I don't have to convince Paul of one single thing.
I have never heard such a question in my life. I would go so far as to say that only a cult would ask such a question.
Just in case you have one neuron turned on upstairs I will offer you somehting to use it for. We are not saved by a denomination, we are not saved corporately, we are saved by the grace of God. There are no denominations in the body of Christ. all denominations are man made, including yours. All denominations have saved and lost members.
Sir, I now choose to shake off the dust, I am done with this.
Elder Mike it truely is your choice to shake the dust off if you want. I was really hoping that you would reason from the scriptures. I have posted on a lot of scripture to validate what I have been proclaiming. How much scripture did you use to validate your views? Perhaps you think that I am unwilling to change my views. I can tell you if you show me from scripture that I a professing the wrong message I will change. If the word of God says its so who am I to stand agaist it. I can tell you Elder Mike I have studied the bible deeply and love doing so and it was throgh this all of this study that I have reached the conclusion that I have come to thus far. It is a real disapointment to me that people like yourself don't actually try and deal with the points and scriptures that I present. I can only assume that they can't be refuted because of the truth that they proclaim. I have presented my views in an easy to understand manner. I think you give up entirely to easy. I even agree with you that there are no denominations in the body of Christ because Christ is not divided. I even further agree that all denominations are man made. But, I tell you the Church of Christ or the body of Christ is not man made. It is built by Jesus and authorized by Jesus. The Church of Christ does not bear the name of a man or creed. We follow to the best of our abilty the word of God. We are non-denomination. We do not claim to be a denomiation. But the baptist, Methodist, etc do claim to be a denomination. Do you think that in the 1st centure that if someone came up to Paul and asked him what denomination he belonged to what do you think he would say? I think he would say what in the world are you talking about. There is only 1 church and I belong to Christ. Maybe he might say what he said in
1Cort 1:10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and <I>that </I>there be no <B>divisions </B>among you, but <I>that </I>you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe's <I>household, </I>that there are contentions among you.
12 Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ."
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
This is exactly what has happend today. We are not of one mind but we are divided. We say I am a baptist, I am Methodist, why can't we just say that I am a Christian and I belong to Christ. It seems to me that people in this thread want to quibble about this name or that name or trying to say that the COC thinks that they are the only one going to heaven. These are just rabbits for the chaseing to try and get off of the main topic that is being spoken of. I nor my brother Thebibleisright proclaimed that you have to be a member of the COC or else you are going to Hell. You guys made that statement and I clearly and plainly said that the COC does not belive such a thing nor teach such a thing. Again, since it does'nt seem to be getting through. What we do teach and proclaim is just like the bible proclaims if you are not in Christ you are not saved. Lets take a look at the following things that are found in Christ.
GRACE
2Tim 2:1 You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is
in Christ Jesus.
This is where the free gift is located.
EVERY SPIRITUAL BLESSING
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places
in Christ,
Notice it says every spiritual blessing.
COMPLETE
Col 2:9 For
in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
10 and you are complete
in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
People sometimes say they are missing something in their lives but when we are in Jesus we are complete.
NEW CREATION
2 Cor 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is
in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
If we are in Christ our slate has been wiped clean we become a new creature and we will live our life for Christ.
REDEMPTION AND FORGIVENESS OF SIN.
Eph 1:7
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
If we are in Christ we have been redeemed by his blood and have forgiveness of sins.
I will answer your what if question this way. You can come up with all kinds of very rare instances but, lets say just for a min that God saw their heart and new that they on their way to be baptized. Were they saved? Well, that is up to God to decide and not for me make that decision. But, lets say in these very rare instances that they were saved. What does it have to do with you? Are you in this delma? Are you on your way to be baptized into Christ? Is there something keeping you from being baptized into Christ? 
