Opeth

[RenewingMyMind]

so, i don't just come out and tell everyone that i'm into metal, and that means i'm ashamed of it? Hell no, i'm damn proud to be a metal head. I just have the thought to take into consideration that if i went up to everyone saying so, they wouldn't care, no sense in wasting time eh? Besides, most of my oldest friends are good christians and know i'm into it, does the whole church know? no, because i don't see a reason.

and what made me mad is that you doubt my christianity simply because I'm into something you feel is evil, too bad asswipe, get over it, you're not my lord and savior and you have no power to say what i am and what i am not, or what i do, or what i don't.

and i feel sorry that you were a tool with metal, sheesh, who let's themselves be influenced by the stuff anyway? "up to the point of suicide"? Don't make me laugh, blame yourself and the way you lived, not a bunch of notes put together to someone's stupid words...

Seriously, your are the kind of christian what drives others away from christianity, you, my friend, are the one feeding others to satan.

Imagine, someone totally oblivious to christianity, only hearing that it's an awsome thing, meets you, and you find out they like metal and being to judge them as you have done so many here, how would they react to meeting someone of this 'awsome religion' they heard about? Nice job being all-accepting and understanding of others...

No, I am a Christian and I know the Lord and what the word stands against. We can't just justify what we want to do.

1 Peter 2:16

Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God.

We are free from keeping the law as a means for salvation but we are still to live up to the law out of gratitude and respect to God. Our freedom doesn't give us the right to just do wicked things and conform to the ways of the pagans and the flood of dissipation that dominates there life.

It is ok in that you can get all mad and call me names but one day you will understand when you grow up and aren't living with mommy and daddy anymore. Hopefully you will break out of this lifestyle one day and drop the negative influence. If will be hard at first for it controls you and the demons associated with it are just telling you everything you want to here and that is just it. You listen to demons and they run your life.

1 Corinthians 10:21

You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of the demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons.

Are acceptance of Christ is 100% allegiance to Christ and his morally correct ways. Eating at the demons table means identifying with satan by worshipping or promoting pagan activities.

Are you trying to lead two lives?

The Bible says we cannot do both at the same time?

Make up your mind, I hope you choose the right side because there is no such thing as a secular Christian metal head. You are dividing your loyalties and misinforming Pagans that us Christians agree and tolerate their wicked ways.

You will figure it out and I will pray for you.

Peace.

 

[Idicious]

I like Opeth, I haven't heard very much of them, seen them live once they and they were amazing. But from what I've seen I really don't think they're satanic or anything like that. As a matter of fact very very few bands are actually satanic as that they mean what they are saying, even if they have 'satanic' lyrics it's usually just provocative.

According to metal archives (a very extensive site, and full discography and user reviews of almost any band you can think of, still have to find one it doesn't have) the lyrical themes of Opeth are:

Relationships, Depression, Nature, Death

Though they have mistakes ofcourse metal archives is a fairly reliable source (www.metal-archives.com)

 

[Idicious]

IF you listen to this and aren't telling others that you listen to this garbage then you must be ashamed of it and are hiding it from your church members. You can play Christian when everyone is around but God knows what you are listening to and if you are spending time listening to this garbage I have trouble believing that you have any relationship with the Lord Jesus.

Make up your mind if you want to be a Christian or a Pagan. We can't be both and we can't live our whole walk on the fence.

Let it go for it divides your loyalties?

Peace.

I'm a metalhead, I'm a christian. I also don't go walsing around with that fact, if people ask me what music I'm into I'll tell them, even strike up the subject myself often. Now I don't hide it from anyone, all my christian friends know it, if I'm talking to someone in church about it I'll tell them what I listen to. My dad is one of the main leaders of one of colleges in the Univercity of the nations run through Youth With a Mission and they know about it. I've had long talks with people about the subject, I've spent a long time thinking on it myself.
I even started out thinking sort of like you do. But when it comes down to it music is just a series of notes played in a particular order, ranging from blatantly simple to the most extreme forms of complexity. I'm a musician, I apreciate good thought through well made music. Besides jazz, clasical and fusion/experimental the best composed/complex/truely emotional (not the fake hapynes/sorrow etc shown by most pop etc. I find many worshipsongs I can't sing along because it's just blatently hypocritical what you're singing) music is found in Metal.
Besides that they often have meaningfull lyrics, talking about human emotions, PERSONAL experiences and life in general for a lot of it. Now I capitalised personal experiences for a reason.
Lyrics (I also write a good number of lyrics) are PERSONAL, they relate, in the simplest sence purely to the writer of it, and not the person reading it, it's a peace of mind from the person who wrote it, a view into someone elses perception of the world, and how he has come to see the world.
Now you can get marvelous things out of lyrics, you can take them to heart, you can leave them, you can get insights from the as a reader, but they only really relate the writer.
Now you either agree or disagree with what he has to say, but just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you should completely blind yourself to what they have to say does it? You'd find yourself a very rejected and resented person on this earth if you aplied this in every day life with people (and not in a godly way)

 

[blackwasp]

Basing salvation on what music you listen to seems pretty silly.

For what it's worth, I saw Dimebag with Damage Plan a few months before he died. There was nothing "satanic" about the performance, and I didn't notice anyone that looked "satanic" or even goth in the crowd. Then again, I'm not a metal head. What would I know?

 

[RenewingMyMind]

ALL secular heavy metal is ' satanic '.

Some are up front about it and they are obvious such as Cannibal Corpse, Deicide, Nile, Venom, Slayer etc.

Bands like Mudvayne, Pantera, Metallica, Korn, Static - X, Slipknot are just as evil. They glorify sin and rebellion. They promote the flood of dissipation that pagan's are engulfed in that runs there life.

All heavy metal is satanic to a degree.

Either sin is your master or Jesus is your master ( romans 6 ).

All pagans have a ' god ' named the devil and are playing for him and his audience of those who are evil, those who live for themselves and are dominated by the sinful nature.

Those who live for Jesus are Jesus centered and are submissive to him and are humbled to him. We worship him and his Holy ways and worship him in our music.

Why would a Christian listen to music that worships sin?

 

[Bulldog]

ALL secular heavy metal is ' satanic '.

Do you have any proof for this?

 

[Bulldog]

Bands like Mudvayne, Pantera, Metallica, Korn, Static - X, Slipknot are just as evil. They glorify sin and rebellion. They promote the flood of dissipation that pagan's are engulfed in that runs there life.

Just for reference, many "metalheads" do not consider the groups you'be listed to be "real metal"

All heavy metal is satanic to a degree.

"Heavy metal" to what extent? JUst black/death metal and nü-metal? Power metal? Classic metal (early Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, perhaps Led Zeppelin, etc.)?

 

[Z500]

ALL secular heavy metal is ' satanic '.

i'd like to see you prove that Earth is satanic.

 

[Idicious]

ALL secular heavy metal is ' satanic '.

Some are up front about it and they are obvious such as Cannibal Corpse, Deicide, Nile, Venom, Slayer etc.

Bands like Mudvayne, Pantera, Metallica, Korn, Static - X, Slipknot are just as evil. They glorify sin and rebellion. They promote the flood of dissipation that pagan's are engulfed in that runs there life.

All heavy metal is satanic to a degree.

Either sin is your master or Jesus is your master ( romans 6 ).

All pagans have a ' god ' named the devil and are playing for him and his audience of those who are evil, those who live for themselves and are dominated by the sinful nature.

Those who live for Jesus are Jesus centered and are submissive to him and are humbled to him. We worship him and his Holy ways and worship him in our music.

Why would a Christian listen to music that worships sin?

Ok, I'm going to look at some bands you named there. Nile sings lyrics about well researched ancient egyptian mythology. They don't believe in it, it's just and interesting subject they sing about. In their lyric booklets they have a explanation behind each song giving the backround of it, you can really learn a lot from them. They are intelegent and well thought through.

I'm working on a lyrical concept based around the Spartans and the battle at Thermopylae, not because I agree with the Spartan way of life or enbrace it, but it's an important part of earths history, and just a very interesting story to tell.
Now some would argue that the lyrics are 'satanic' because they present an ungodly civilisation/worldview, but that is the way it was, and it still remains a fact that it's a bloody good story (300 holding off and army of half a million for a few days) and they saved europe. Europe would have most likely been conquered by the Persians if the Spartans had not held them off.

Another one in your list, Metallica. You have never read a single lyric by Metallica have you? You're just going on what you've been told, never looking for yourself. If you had you would know most of their lyrics about emotions (Fade to black,the entire St. Anger album, though I don't like it musicly or lyricly for the way it was written, it really has deep emotional stuff that the band was going through at the time) anti drugs (Master of Puppets, it's basicly a about how drugs mess up your life) anti war (Disposeble Heroes, One, For whom the bell tolls) and a lot of personal stuff the band went through, and some are just based off of movies ( Welcome Home (Sanitarium), One)
And for the rest just about personel experiences (The god who failed was written right after James mother died of desease, and refused treatment because she believed God would heal her, but she died. Now I think you can imagine how that must have felt for him)

Do yourself a favour, grab the lyrics to One, go find the Symphony & Metallica version of it and listen. Probebly won't be at all what you expected. Lyrics are about a soldier who lost all his limbs, his voice, smell, hearing but is still concious, in essence trapped in himself. Along with Disposeble Heroes probebly one of the best anti war songs out there, and it's just an absolutely stunningly beautifull song.

Many of those 'nu-metal' band you named KorN, Slipknot are just overgrown teenagers still acting all angsty, wow, how satanic, a bunch of overgrown kids still complaining about how bad life is and they lost their girlfriend, boohoo.

Canibal Corpse and Venom are just bands that have over the top lyrics for the sake of having them, there is nothing serious about them. You can get that out of all kinds of interviews with bands like that.

 

[Idicious]

All pagans have a ' god ' named the devil and are playing for him and his audience of those who are evil, those who live for themselves and are dominated by the sinful nature.

Those who live for Jesus are Jesus centered and are submissive to him and are humbled to him. We worship him and his Holy ways and worship him in our music.

Why would a Christian listen to music that worships sin?

Oh aren't you the Jesus type figure yourself. Where was Jesus found? Among the taxcollecters, the prostitutes, the thieves, and didnt speak as you did to any of them. Now someone happens to like a certain type of music and suddenly they are the devil incarnate themselves, wow.
I would really like to see where in the world you base your statement of all heavy metal is satanic on. You know that most pop music is centered around selfishnes and sex don't you? And that many clasical musicians were in the free maconry? Lets not forget the immorale lifestyle of some well known mainstream christian bands. Oh wait, worshipleaders also have their own problems, what they aren't the perfect christians???? So why don't you just follow through with all your beliefs and rid yourself of music once and for all
Now I hope you can see I was being scarcastic there, but I hope you see where I'm going. Please do yourself a favour and read Romans chapter 14 before you post here again.

 

[Idicious]

Also, please tell me where you base all these beliefs in music on? Are you just believing without searching for yourself with the lord what you heard the pastor say in church one day? Have you actually done some research into it so you know what it is you believe, and why?

 

[RenewingMyMind]

Oh aren't you the Jesus type figure yourself. Where was Jesus found? Among the taxcollecters, the prostitutes, the thieves, and didnt speak as you did to any of them. Now someone happens to like a certain type of music and suddenly they are the devil incarnate themselves, wow.
I would really like to see where in the world you base your statement of all heavy metal is satanic on. You know that most pop music is centered around selfishnes and sex don't you? And that many clasical musicians were in the free maconry? Lets not forget the immorale lifestyle of some well known mainstream christian bands. Oh wait, worshipleaders also have their own problems, what they aren't the perfect christians???? So why don't you just follow through with all your beliefs and rid yourself of music once and for all
Now I hope you can see I was being scarcastic there, but I hope you see where I'm going. Please do yourself a favour and read Romans chapter 14 before you post here again.

Sin = rebellion = satanic

anything that glorifies sin instead of righteousness is satanic. Dont look at it as every band sacrifices people at black mass. Many want to rate satanism in degrees. There is not any form of wickedness that is any better then another form. Music is either wicked or righteous. Its black and white, one or the other. Figure it out yet.

If it doesn't glorify Jesus then it glorifies the sinful nature and thus glorifies what satan wants you to focus on, the sinful nature and yourself.

Don't throw Romans 14 at me because your faith is weak that you listen to music that glorifes satan and is more then obviously sinful in nature and grieves the Holy Spirit. You read Romans 14 along with the rest of the Bible. Read in Hebrews where it talks about falling away and how you need to return to milk and not the meat of the word so that you can pray to recieve discernment. Discernment is when you can distinguish between good and evil.

I hope you will wake up and see how heavy metal is evil.

I pray the blinders will be removed.

It is ashamed to see so called Christians defending pagan lifestyles and there wicked selfish ways. Sad but true.

Jesus did go into the bars but he didn't go into tell them to keep on sinning but to pull them out of the fire and to let them know there is such a thing as self control and a much better way of life that leads to eternal life.

You know your wrong to promote sinful music.

 

[Idicious]

My reference to Romans 14 was meant as to say, if you feel that god has convicted YOU not to listen to heavy metal then don't, but don't judge your fellow brothers and sister in christ on it either, since if they can listen to it to the glory of God it is not a sin for them. I have held quiet times with heavy metal playing in the backround that I find has inspiring lyrics. God is personally working with each and every one of us, so because he has convicted you that it is not beneficial for you to listen to it, does not mean it aplies to every single christian (since God is personal) as said in Romans chapter 14.
If heavy metal in itself is evil read these lyrics (These are direct links)

Metallica - One
About a soldier who's lost all limbs, all hearing, sight, smell etc based on the book Johnny got his gun. One of most beautifull and best anti war songs ever.
Antestor - A souvereign fortress
Well, lyrics say enough for this one
Narnia - Living water
Clear enough
Emperor - With strength I burn
How I interpret it lyrics about how we in life are always searching for something greater beyond us than what we have, that urge that there is something more no matter how great a thing we have, but in the end discovering that what we already have is magnificent and wonderfull. These lyrics are so deep and meaningfull, it's things we all face and deal with and discribed so perfectly.
Dream Theater - The Spirit Caries On
Lyrics say enough, and this is by a non christian band (though lead guitarist is a christian)
Nightwish - She Is My Sin
Well, now doesn't that look like a pretty christian view on things like relationship and sex? And behold, it's a non christian band *shock*

Now these are just SOME of the thousands of great lyrics out there, these are from christian and non christian heavy metal bands. That relate to emotions that God has put in us, to things that happen in our lives. Now, again, tell me how a certain way that notes are aranged can be evil in itself, biblicly.

 

[Theogonia]

RenewingMyMind:

I think you're wrong saying that if something doesn't glorify Jesus it's satanic. First of all, we should be glorifying GOD. Jesus and God are two different people. Second, so if I wrote a song, and just because it didn't mention Jesus or God in it, that makes it satanic?

Also didn't you even read my other post? Pagans are nature worshipers. They believe in one God, and worship him through nature. They have nothing to do with satanists. They have a great respect for nature and life.

Satanists, are selfish, greedy, powerhungry people. They only care about themselves. They enjoy hurting other people because it makes them feel powerful.

I hope you choose the right side because there is no such thing as a secular Christian metal head.

Why not? Why can't Christians enjoy metal? Enjoying the music DOESN'T MEAN YOU BELIEVE IN IT.

Based on that theory, you can't be a Christian and be a horror movie buff.

Here's an Opeth song, The Grand Conjuration:

Majesty
Faithful me
Pour yourself
Into me

Wield your power
Martyr's price
Stare me down
To the ground

The eyes of the devil
Fixed on his sinners

Slake my thirst
Eternal wealth
Heathen key
Round my neck

This poetry
Our blasphemy
Know the sounds
Of infamy

The hands of Satan
Assembling his flock
Pale horse rider
Searching the earth

Whispered conjuration
A belief takes form
Choking hand tapping
The veins in your throat

His orders in your mouth
A decree for domination
Beneath the tides of wisdom
Spins the undertow of hate

Injected seeds of vengeance
Usurper's eyes of the powerless
Clean path to his kingdom
Beckoning in the mist

(The grand conjuration)

Tell my why
Love subsides
In the light
Of your wishes

Say my name
Ease the pain
Clear the smoke
In my head

Sounds like a cry for God to me.

The only metal bands that I would say have the possibility of actually being Satanists are Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth (although I think Cradle is more anti christian than anything else).

RenewingMyMind, you can't blame metal for leading you to the verge of suicide. Maybe it nudged you a little bit, but that means you probably had severe mental problems.

STOP IGNORING MY POSTS AND LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING. If you believe that metal is evil, that's fine but STOP TRYING TO FORCE YOUR OPINIONS ON EVERYONE.

You are exactly the kind of Christian I hate. The kind that thinks they're so righteous and good, and forces their beliefs on everyone. Maybe the world would be a better place if there were less Christians like you. You call yourself a "follower of Christ" but you do a damn good job of being exactly the opposite. Jesus never forced anything. He presented the truth, and people took it or left it.

I hope that you see the light soon.

 

[RenewingMyMind]

My reference to Romans 14 was meant as to say, if you feel that god has convicted YOU not to listen to heavy metal then don't, but don't judge your fellow brothers and sister in christ on it either, since if they can listen to it to the glory of God it is not a sin for them. I have held quiet times with heavy metal playing in the backround that I find has inspiring lyrics. God is personally working with each and every one of us, so because he has convicted you that it is not beneficial for you to listen to it, does not mean it aplies to every single christian (since God is personal) as said in Romans chapter 14.
If heavy metal in itself is evil read these lyrics (These are direct links)

Metallica - One
About a soldier who's lost all limbs, all hearing, sight, smell etc based on the book Johnny got his gun. One of most beautifull and best anti war songs ever.
Antestor - A souvereign fortress
Well, lyrics say enough for this one
Narnia - Living water
Clear enough
Emperor - With strength I burn
How I interpret it lyrics about how we in life are always searching for something greater beyond us than what we have, that urge that there is something more no matter how great a thing we have, but in the end discovering that what we already have is magnificent and wonderfull. These lyrics are so deep and meaningfull, it's things we all face and deal with and discribed so perfectly.

Now these are just SOME of the thousands of great lyrics out there, these are from christian and non christian heavy metal bands. That relate to emotions that God has put in us, to things that happen in our lives. Now, again, tell me how a certain way that notes are aranged can be evil in itself, biblicly.

Its not the notes, its the lyrics. It isn't about God convicting me of the songs personally, heavy metal is satanic and participation in it as a Christian is hypocrisy.

Proverbs 27:6

Wounds from a friend can be trusted,
but an enemy multiplies kisses.

Sometimes brothers and sisters in Christ have to give you unpleasant adivice at times but you know its for your own good. An enemy may tell you what you want to hear and whisper kisses at you and send you on your way to ruin. We tend to hear what we want to hear, even if the enemy is the only onw who will say it. A friends adevice, no matter how painful, is much better.

You will get it one day, and pray its today.

 

[RenewingMyMind]

RenewingMyMind:

I think you're wrong saying that if something doesn't glorify Jesus it's satanic. First of all, we should be glorifying GOD. Jesus and God are two different people. Second, so if I wrote a song, and just because it didn't mention Jesus or God in it, that makes it satanic?

Also didn't you even read my other post? Pagans are nature worshipers. They believe in one God, and worship him through nature. They have nothing to do with satanists. They have a great respect for nature and life.

Satanists, are selfish, greedy, powerhungry people. They only care about themselves. They enjoy hurting other people because it makes them feel powerful.



Why not? Why can't Christians enjoy metal? Enjoying the music DOESN'T MEAN YOU BELIEVE IN IT.

Based on that theory, you can't be a Christian and be a horror movie buff.

Here's an Opeth song, The Grand Conjuration:

Majesty
Faithful me
Pour yourself
Into me

Wield your power
Martyr's price
Stare me down
To the ground

The eyes of the devil
Fixed on his sinners

Slake my thirst
Eternal wealth
Heathen key
Round my neck

This poetry
Our blasphemy
Know the sounds
Of infamy

The hands of Satan
Assembling his flock
Pale horse rider
Searching the earth

Whispered conjuration
A belief takes form
Choking hand tapping
The veins in your throat

His orders in your mouth
A decree for domination
Beneath the tides of wisdom
Spins the undertow of hate

Injected seeds of vengeance
Usurper's eyes of the powerless
Clean path to his kingdom
Beckoning in the mist

(The grand conjuration)

Tell my why
Love subsides
In the light
Of your wishes

Say my name
Ease the pain
Clear the smoke
In my head

Sounds like a cry for God to me.

The only metal bands that I would say have the possibility of actually being Satanists are Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth (although I think Cradle is more anti christian than anything else).

RenewingMyMind, you can't blame metal for leading you to the verge of suicide. Maybe it nudged you a little bit, but that means you probably had severe mental problems.

STOP IGNORING MY POSTS AND LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING. If you believe that metal is evil, that's fine but STOP TRYING TO FORCE YOUR OPINIONS ON EVERYONE.

You are exactly the kind of Christian I hate. The kind that thinks they're so righteous and good, and forces their beliefs on everyone. Maybe the world would be a better place if there were less Christians like you. You call yourself a "follower of Christ" but you do a damn good job of being exactly the opposite. Jesus never forced anything. He presented the truth, and people took it or left it.

I hope that you see the light soon.

Pagans unknowingly worship the devil to. Yes, there are Satanist that know what they are doing but technically all buddist, hindu's, muslims, etc are satanist as well because their ' god ' is the devil. Get it yet.

So you hate me because I don't tell you what you want to hear and because I rebuke your hypocrisy. Being that your 15 explains alot and you haven't lived much in life and your still a kiddie. Your posts and responses are typical of a kid who doesn't know anything.

Galatians 1:10

Am I know trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Do you spend your life trying to please everybody?

Paul had to rebuke those in Galatia for they were in serious trouble and did not apologize for his straightforward words, knowing he could not serve Christ faithfully if he allowed the Galatians to stay on the wrong track.

Who's approval are you seeking, others or God's ?

Pray for the courage to seek God's approval, not others.

I am not here to be everyone's favorite and to tell people what they want to hear. I am here to warn you of your false doctrine and your hypocrisy. You may feel as if you are right because you have a bunch of teenie boppers who are blinded by the devil's deception and think they can know Christ and still live in the wicked ways of the world and conform to their beliefs. I am in the light and I have shined the light into your darkness and you are mad because you don't want to give up your darkness and are going to justify your sinful ways with the support of others who have no clue.

I won't back down, and will stand strong to the end on this topic for I know from experience what the music does subliminally and how it divides loyalties. You are walking in the darkness and you know it and yet you are to stubborn to admit it.

I would repent of saying you hate me for speaking the truth and not just telling you that your evil ways are tolerable. You are also telling pagans that come here that you enjoy the same flood of dissipation that they participate in. You are walking on thin ice. Your preaching a different gospel.

I would love to talk to you face to face to see how bold you are then.

Peace.

 

[Chrome]

Pagans unknowingly worship the devil to. Yes, there are Satanist that know what they are doing but technically all buddist, hindu's, muslims, etc are satanist as well because their ' god ' is the devil. Get it yet.

the sheer ignorance of that statement is appalling

 

[Theogonia]

Pagans unknowingly worship the devil to. Yes, there are Satanist that know what they are doing but technically all buddist, hindu's, muslims, etc are satanist as well because their ' god ' is the devil. Get it yet.

So you hate me because I don't tell you what you want to hear and because I rebuke your hypocrisy. Being that your 15 explains alot and you haven't lived much in life and your still a kiddie. Your posts and responses are typical of a kid who doesn't know anything.

Galatians 1:10

Am I know trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Do you spend your life trying to please everybody?

Paul had to rebuke those in Galatia for they were in serious trouble and did not apologize for his straightforward words, knowing he could not serve Christ faithfully if he allowed the Galatians to stay on the wrong track.

Who's approval are you seeking, others or God's ?

Pray for the courage to seek God's approval, not others.

I am not here to be everyone's favorite and to tell people what they want to hear. I am here to warn you of your false doctrine and your hypocrisy. You may feel as if you are right because you have a bunch of teenie boppers who are blinded by the devil's deception and think they can know Christ and still live in the wicked ways of the world and conform to their beliefs. I am in the light and I have shined the light into your darkness and you are mad because you don't want to give up your darkness and are going to justify your sinful ways with the support of others who have no clue.

I won't back down, and will stand strong to the end on this topic for I know from experience what the music does subliminally and how it divides loyalties. You are walking in the darkness and you know it and yet you are to stubborn to admit it.

I would repent of saying you hate me for speaking the truth and not just telling you that your evil ways are tolerable. You are also telling pagans that come here that you enjoy the same flood of dissipation that they participate in. You are walking on thin ice. Your preaching a different gospel.

I would love to talk to you face to face to see how bold you are then.

I'd like to talk to you face to face too. I'd be just as bold then. You know what my name is? It's Ethan and it means firm. When I believe in something, I don't back down.

I don't hate you. I hate the fact that you seem to be trying to force us to conform to your ideas and beliefs.

And you are narrowminded. Isn't there just the smallest fraction of a chance that a believer in God can listen to metal and not conform to it? How is it hypocrisy?

You constantly avoid the fact that you can listen to this music without agreeing with the message or theme.

I'm sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. Like I said, I don't hate you.

But I will remain strong in what I'm saying now.

 

[morningstar2651]

Is Beethoven's Ninth Symphony Satanic?

 

[Opethian]

I am awaiting the sunrise
Gazing modestly through the coldest morning
Once it came you lied
Embracing us over autumn's proud treetops

I stand motionless
In a parade of falling rain
Your voice I cannot hear
As I am falling again

Devotion eludes
And in sadness I lumber
In my own ashes I am standing without a soul
She wept and whispered: "I know..."

We walked into the night
Am I to bid you farewell?

Why can't you see that I try
When every tear I shed
Is for you?

Mikael Akerfeldt wrote this song at a time when he and his girlfriend broke up.
The foul demon! Such satanic, evil lyrics!