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being that i don't listen to Opeth that much, i couldn't tell you, but most likely, its no. The only time i think people should question whether a band has satanic lyrics are if it is a black or death metal band, and even then, many of them are just anti-religion or anti-christian, not satanic.
 
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Totally satanic. It is more then obvious just like all metal. Metal bands just tell the media what they do so that they make it seem like a big joke. They know what they are doing and the majority of them have already sold themselves out to the devil in trade for money and fame. They usually have witches or satanist come to the recording studios and put incantations on the cd's and all promotions so that the innocent 14 year old kid who buys the Slayer or Opeth album will open a doorway to the occult and be oppressed and be forever tormented. Then when they play the cd demons manifest and are drawn to the music that gives them the right to operate.

Heavy metal was carefully crafted by Satan to trap America's youth and recruit so many people into serving Satan. So many innocent people just buy cd's because of the phenomenal guitar riffs and the intimidation of the music and get sucked right into occult bondage and so many end up committing suicide or doing extremely heanous crimes.

My prayers go out to Christians who are blinded to what is really going on behind the scenes of the bands and how they are totally sold out to Satan and are just leading America's youth right into bondage and to being enslave to Satan.

How many of you Christians that listen to Satanic music suffer from bad dreams and out of body experiences?

Those dreams and experiences are just doorways that have been opened for the demonic spirit of death to torture you body and to instill fear into your life.

DISCERNMENT- to discover; to recognize; the ability to discover or recognize.


Hebrews 5:14

But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

We must train our consciences, our senses, and our minds to discern good from evil.

We need to recognize temptation before it traps us?

Let's see here:

Heavy metal that glorifies the sinful nature, the flood of dissipation that pagans endulge in daily, promotes Satan's kingdom of darkness, and the evil desires of the human heart.

Would a Christian discern this music as good or evil?

Praying that the blinders will be removed here and the right discernment will be made.
 
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im a christian, and listen to satanic music.
no, i don't feel compelled to look into the occult or worship satan
no, i don't get influenced into feeling christianity is wrong
no, i don't get nightmares or odd supernatural experiences, i have normal sleep
no, i don't feel the need to commit suicide
and no, i don't commit haenous crimes or plan or want to.

well, i guess i just made your argument null
 
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Yam Kimil said:
im a christian, and listen to satanic music.
no, i don't feel compelled to look into the occult or worship satan
no, i don't get influenced into feeling christianity is wrong
no, i don't get nightmares or odd supernatural experiences, i have normal sleep
no, i don't feel the need to commit suicide
and no, i don't commit haenous crimes or plan or want to.

well, i guess i just made your argument null

Ephesians 4:29

29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.

30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Verse 29 clearly tells us how we need to tame our tongues and talk things that are going to help each other move forward rather then creating hard feelings. Heavy metal glorifies putting others down, is full of cursing and hatred, and enforces rebellion and hatred. They are mocking our savior and recruiting people for Satan's army of darkness.

I don't suppose you know anything about grieving the Holy Spirit. He lives inside of us and everytime we grieve him he leaves and doesn't come back until we repent. He was given to us to help us pray, worship, and study God's word. God did not send him to us to help us worship the devil and conform our beliefs to the world and their wicked ways.

Romans 12:2

Do not conform to the pattern of this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, then you will be able to test and approve of God's will, his good, pleasing, perfect will.

When Christians conform to the beliefs of the pagans let alone the devil worshippers we grieve the Holy Spirit and divide our loyalties. Thus we have one foot in church and one foot in the world. Its one or the other not both, because when you do both you aren't in church your in the world and living for the sinful nature.

Romans 8:8

Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.


I suggest you print out the lyrics and take them to church you attend and see what your Pastor says about the content and ask him how you glorify God through your association with that garbage.

Have a nice day. :)
 
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look, i'm not trying to say you're wrong about everything, but making blatant generalizing, and untrue statements is just terrible. I was just telling you that with a simple example of myself, just about everything you said metal does, is false.
If i were you, i'd probably find more offense with the content of radio-aired, heavily popular, mainstream music than that of an often misunderstood and labeled kind of music.

and what makes you think i'm comforming or giving into their beliefs? I may have an account at the bank but does that mean i'm good with money or want to be a banker? no.
and honestly, if i printed out lyrics from most of the bands i listen to, they probably wouldn't stir up any controversy, even among the church
 
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just because you don't like their music doesnt mean they're satanic, yes a lot of them wear black and have devils on their covers but atleast its music. All this pop music is just trying to sell sex. I would rather have my daughter listen to opeth then brittany spears. Just look at all the preteens wearing skimpy cloths just because of brittany spears. Plus metal has some musical talent. pop music, rap and hiphop are all lazy music. its poetry with a beat thats all what it is.
 
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Hm.

I'm listening to Opeth right now. It's actually relaxing.

I have 4 of their CDs. I have Damnation, Deliverance, Blackwater Park, and Ghost Reveries. So far, I have yet to see or hear any real allusion to Satan or very much religious discussion at all. There is quite a bit of spiritual angst expressed in their latest album, Ghost Reveries, but no more than that described in Jesus' temptation in the wilderness or in the journey of Gautama as a wandering aesthetic.

Opeth usually have very bleak, nihilistic lyrics, but their latest album speaks of overcoming this sense of loss (sort of) in songs like Atonement and Hours of Wealth. Very far from Satanic, though not necessarily life-affirming. Probably one of the most depressing bands I've listened to (I'm an optimist and they've gotten me way down on numerous times), but as for being Satanic (if you believe in that kind of thing), I wouldn't bet on it. The lyrics (which are very metaphorical and intelligent) reflect a mindset that is searching to believe but is on the negative end of it.

But personally, I don't believe people should inject their personal beliefs when looking for music they like. The musicians in Opeth are fantastic, and Mikael Akerfeldt, the vocalist, can go from that guttural vocalizing to such a melodious voice that you'd think it was a different singer. Absolutely amazing composition and well-thought out progressive metal type songs. I'm studying for a bachelor's in music at the moment, and very impressed with Opeth. Not saying my word is final or anything of that sort, but I have listened to a lot of music and know about chord progressions and melodies and composition, and it is definitely very high-quality music.

And yes, they do sing about the Devil in Ghost Reveries, but they do it not in a glorifying or charismatic manner, but in a way that portrays the loss, wayward mindset, and horror of being under an influence as such. Like a Christian band that, instead of praising Jesus, sings of the horrors of Lucifer, in a way.

-Lee
 
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Yam Kimil said:
look, i'm not trying to say you're wrong about everything, but making blatant generalizing, and untrue statements is just terrible. I was just telling you that with a simple example of myself, just about everything you said metal does, is false.
If i were you, i'd probably find more offense with the content of radio-aired, heavily popular, mainstream music than that of an often misunderstood and labeled kind of music.

and what makes you think i'm comforming or giving into their beliefs? I may have an account at the bank but does that mean i'm good with money or want to be a banker? no.
and honestly, if i printed out lyrics from most of the bands i listen to, they probably wouldn't stir up any controversy, even among the church

Either they will stir up controversy or they won't, The use of the word probably shows a degree of doubt or that your unsure of the reaction that you will get.

IF you printed the lyrics of heavy metal and took it to your pastor and board, I can guarantee that they would shoot it down.

When you listen to death metal you are agreeing with the lyrics and message and our thus paying homage to evil.

You are dividing your loyalties and grieving the Holy Spirit.

If Jesus manifested himself in your room would you want to be listening to music that worships the devil or music that praises him.

Get out while you can because the more you play with fire the more you will get burned and once you open a stronger doorway your world will come crashing down.

By having cd's with pentagrams and devil lyrics in your house you give demons the right to be where they are glorified. It will only be a matter of time until things start getting eerie around the house and you will think about it when you go to bed.

Clean the stuff out now and annoint your room with oil.

Peace. :)
 
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seeker336 said:
Hm.

I'm listening to Opeth right now. It's actually relaxing.

I have 4 of their CDs. I have Damnation, Deliverance, Blackwater Park, and Ghost Reveries. So far, I have yet to see or hear any real allusion to Satan or very much religious discussion at all. There is quite a bit of spiritual angst expressed in their latest album, Ghost Reveries, but no more than that described in Jesus' temptation in the wilderness or in the journey of Gautama as a wandering aesthetic.

Opeth usually have very bleak, nihilistic lyrics, but their latest album speaks of overcoming this sense of loss (sort of) in songs like Atonement and Hours of Wealth. Very far from Satanic, though not necessarily life-affirming. Probably one of the most depressing bands I've listened to (I'm an optimist and they've gotten me way down on numerous times), but as for being Satanic (if you believe in that kind of thing), I wouldn't bet on it. The lyrics (which are very metaphorical and intelligent) reflect a mindset that is searching to believe but is on the negative end of it.

But personally, I don't believe people should inject their personal beliefs when looking for music they like. The musicians in Opeth are fantastic, and Mikael Akerfeldt, the vocalist, can go from that guttural vocalizing to such a melodious voice that you'd think it was a different singer. Absolutely amazing composition and well-thought out progressive metal type songs. I'm studying for a bachelor's in music at the moment, and very impressed with Opeth. Not saying my word is final or anything of that sort, but I have listened to a lot of music and know about chord progressions and melodies and composition, and it is definitely very high-quality music.

And yes, they do sing about the Devil in Ghost Reveries, but they do it not in a glorifying or charismatic manner, but in a way that portrays the loss, wayward mindset, and horror of being under an influence as such. Like a Christian band that, instead of praising Jesus, sings of the horrors of Lucifer, in a way.

-Lee

It's not about the music, its about the message.

Like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

You can't have the full package with only one spread.

So with the band, say Slayer, you can't have the full package with only the lyrics or the instrumentals.

I would advise that you try seeking the Bible and find some Christian fellowship at church. Try to find someone who has come out of a rough lifestyle or knows about the other side.

If you enjoy reading pick up one of the following books by Dr. Rebecca Brown:

1 He came to set the captives free
2. Becoming a Vessel of Honor
3. Prepare for War
4. Generational Curses

She was in the occult and all her books are about delivering people from serious occult bondage and she explains how this death metal that you think is so innocent open doorways to the occult and for demonic possession.

Get out while you can because when you open the doorway you will be sorry and you will soon start to notice evil, eerie things around the house and unexplained things.

You can laugh and get mad but please don't and don't take this as me yelling at you but I can't sugarcoat this kind of stuff.

You may think its funny but you will think about it when you go to be tonight.

Find some Christian fellowship with deliverance ministry.

Peace and I hope as you seek you find Jesus.

John 14:6

Jesus answered: I am the way, the truth, and the life, No man comes to the Father except through me.

Remember salvation is free

Salvation Prayer:

Dear Lord Jesus.
I need you... I need your grace to forgive me
and I need your love to change me.
Thank you for your amazing love.
Thank you for giving me eternity.
But above all, thank you for dying on the cross for me.

I accept You as my Lord and Savior.
Now I'm a Christian, which means You live in me.
I belong to You.
I will live my life for You and I will live for you forever...
Amen.

Praying for you my friend. :prayer:
 
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again, you seem to think i somehow give in or agree with the message of what i listen to. If it even mattered at all to me, then i probably won't listen to it as most people don't for that sole reason.

And again, the message won't get to you if you don't let it, we get all these yuppie mallgoths saying "oh yeah, marylin manson is so rebellious, i want to be just like him!" because they take his message to heart, these are the people you're talking about that will hear say, Deicide and want to kick christianity out and worship satan.

Also, you seem to think every metal band has an underlying satanic message. They don't, and of all people, i should know. There is a whole genre of metal known for having anti-religious, anti-christian and satanic views (though the first two are more common) and they come right out and say it, and there's ALOT of them. If metal bands are tying to get us on satan's side, then why, as you say it, do most of them do it discretely, when it can be as easy as just coming out and proclaiming it.
Just like christian's don't want to subtley change someone, satanists and others with a counter-view want to do just the same

like i said, the message won't get to you if you don't let it (or are the least bit strong minded)
i don't see violence on tv, movies, and games and become more violent
i don't see ads and want to buy the product
everytime i read a book, i don't always agree with the author's views

and honestly, any of the above mediums has a can have a far more discrete way of turning us over to satan.

IF you printed the lyrics of heavy metal and took it to your pastor and board, I can guarantee that they would shoot it down.

you know, you're right, if i told them they were metal lyrics, then yes, they'd probably shoot it down becuase many chrisitans (and non-christians) are baised toward it, like yourself.

trust me, if i told them that they were lyrics from a christian band, even though the lyrics don't mention christ or glorify him, they probably wouldn't know the difference.

you know what, let me post some lyrics, they could be from a metal band, maybe a jazz band, i'll let you decide.
Silence in shivering solitude
Obligations pressure for all to bear
All the pitiful answers, the innocent lies
Can mere words fill
The emptiness from which I fed?

Be gone, oh yielding evidence of greed
Safe now in the other shore
Behind: The emptiness from which I fled

Can silence be shared?
If so, can the perception of silence
Fit into the frame which is represent
The unity for which we stand?
The confines representing a timeless sacrifice
No eye can of silence tell lie

Silence, yet the absence of sound
Does not feed me
The essence of beauty alone
Fall silent to lingering charm

Brought forth be the sun
Shed light on the emptiness

What can be extracted from nothing
What can be found within the emptiness
Be gone, oh yielding evidence of greed
Safe now on the other shore
Behind: The emptiness from which I fed

Brought forth be the errors of our ways
As is denial so is contempt
Introspective to all but one
Tear apart the flames
No eye can of silence tell lie

How can I even begin
The battle where no one wins
From answers I now flee

Screaming out too no avail
Have I become what for so long I've dread
The missing pieces
Must now be replaced

What eyesight fails to grasp
Is the emptiness from which I fled
 
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Yam Kimil said:
again, you seem to think i somehow give in or agree with the message of what i listen to. If it even mattered at all to me, then i probably won't listen to it as most people don't for that sole reason.

And again, the message won't get to you if you don't let it, we get all these yuppie mallgoths saying "oh yeah, marylin manson is so rebellious, i want to be just like him!" because they take his message to heart, these are the people you're talking about that will hear say, Deicide and want to kick christianity out and worship satan.

Also, you seem to think every metal band has an underlying satanic message. They don't, and of all people, i should know. There is a whole genre of metal known for having anti-religious, anti-christian and satanic views (though the first two are more common) and they come right out and say it, and there's ALOT of them. If metal bands are tying to get us on satan's side, then why, as you say it, do most of them do it discretely, when it can be as easy as just coming out and proclaiming it.
Just like christian's don't want to subtley change someone, satanists and others with a counter-view want to do just the same

like i said, the message won't get to you if you don't let it (or are the least bit strong minded)
i don't see violence on tv, movies, and games and become more violent
i don't see ads and want to buy the product
everytime i read a book, i don't always agree with the author's views

and honestly, any of the above mediums has a can have a far more discrete way of turning us over to satan.



you know, you're right, if i told them they were metal lyrics, then yes, they'd probably shoot it down becuase many chrisitans (and non-christians) are baised toward it, like yourself.

trust me, if i told them that they were lyrics from a christian band, even though the lyrics don't mention christ or glorify him, they probably wouldn't know the difference.

you know what, let me post some lyrics, they could be from a metal band, maybe a jazz band, i'll let you decide.


They would know the difference and why would you lie instead of just telling them who sang the lyrics and what they are about. don't just pick one song, give them the whole album. The bigger picture is you can't fool God and he knows your every thought and every subliminal thought and the intention behind it.

Praying that start reading the word instead of conforming to the world.

have a nice day. :prayer:
 
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If you enjoy reading pick up one of the following books by Dr. Rebecca Brown:

1 He came to set the captives free
2. Becoming a Vessel of Honor
3. Prepare for War
4. Generational Curses

She was in the occult and all her books are about delivering people from serious occult bondage and she explains how this death metal that you think is so innocent open doorways to the occult and for demonic possession.
Ruth Bailey, AKA "Doctor" Rebecca Brown, is a fraud. (For further reading from a Christian source, click here)
Findings of Fact for Ruth Bailey said:
. . .
8. That on numerous occasions Respondent has knowingly and intentionally misdiagnosed her patients including, but not limited to her patients by the name of Edna Elaine Moses, a/k/a Elaine Moses, a/k/a Elaine Bailey (hereinafter collectively referred to as "Edna Elaine Moses"), Claudia Moses, Lucia Lively, Luccinda Sisson, Kelly Sisson, Cheryl Maynard, and two (2) patients identified only as "V.B." and "K.W."

9. That the "misdiagnosis" referred to in "Finding of Fact" no. 8 above, included misdiagnosing alleged leukemia, various blood disorders, gall bladder disease, brain tumors and various other ailments and conditions all of with Respondent stated were allegedly caused by demons, devils and other evil spirits.

10. That in fact, the patients referred to in "Finding of Fact" no. 8 above, were not suffering from the diagnosed ailments and conditions referred to in "Finding of Fact" no. 9, above.

11. That on numerous occasions Respondent stated to her patients that she was "chosen" by God as the only physician able to diagnose certain ailments and conditions which other physicians could not because the other physicians, including physicians from Ball Memorial Hospital in Muncie, Indiana and St. John's Medical Center in Anderson, Indiana were, in fact, "demons, devils and other evil spirits" themselves.

12. That Respondent was inappropriately treating Edna Elaine Moses' purported leukemia with massive doses of Demerol and Phenobarbital to the point where the patient would tolerate 600 to 900 cc injections of Demerol, a fatal dose of which is normally in the 150 to 200 cc range, and up to three times the recommended therapeutic dose of Phenobarbital.

13. That Respondent gave Claudia Moses, a 15 year old mentally impaired daughter of Edna Elaine Moses who possesses the intellectual age of an 8 year old, numerous injections of Demerol for alleged "nausea" and allowed Claudia to administer injections of Demerol to herself.

14. That on numerous occasions the Respondent would supply her patients with excessive amounts of legend drugs and/or controlled substances without any explanation, instruction, or appropriate charting.

15. That numerous patients of the Respondent had to undergo detoxification and withdrawal from the excessive amounts legend drugs and/or controlled substances which the Respondent was prescribing and/or administering without valid therapeutic reasons.

16. That while Edna Elaine Moses was under the immediate care and treatment of Respondent, the family of Edna Elaine Moses had to have Edna admitted to St. Vincent's Hospital Emergency Room in Indianapolis, Indiana and subsequently committed to LaRue Carter Hospital in Indianapolis, Indiana for detoxification from the excessive amounts of controlled substances which Respondent was prescribing and administering for Edna's purported leukemia and for treatment of the multiple infections, including infections of her urinary tract and infections of various catheters including a "Hickman" catheter used to facilitate the administration of intravenous medications and also for treatment of externally caused lesions.

17. That Respondent failed to maintain and keep adequate records or charts on her patients and in several instances failed to maintain any charts or records at all.

18. That on numerous occasions Respondent falsified patient charts and hospital records and misled other health professionals regarding her patients condition including, but not limited to statements made by Respondent at Ball Memorial Hospital in Muncie, Indiana, St. John's Medical Center in Anderson, Indiana, Indiana and Barrien General Hospital in Barrien Springs, Michigan, all to the detriment of her patients' well-being.

19. That on numerous occasions Respondent misrepresented and falsified prescriptions which were presented to several pharmacies for controlled substances including, but not limited to March Pharmacy located at 2808 Nichol Aveneu, Anderson, Indiana, Gene Maddy Drugs located at 3050 Meridian Street, Anderson, Indiana and Hollon's Drugs located at 2101 Jackson, Anderson, Indiana by writing on the face of the prescriptions that the prescriptions for controlled substances for the patient by the name of Edna Moses, Elaine Moses, and/or Elaine Bailey were for "malignancy" when in fact, there was no therapeutic reason for Respondent to be prescribing Demerol or any other contolled (sic) substance as the alleged patient was, in fact, suffering from no malignacy.

20. That Respondent has stated on numerous occasions that she possessed the capability of "sharing" her patients' illnesses in fighting the demons, devils and other evil spirits that were allegedly causing the various ailments and conditions and that she was, in fact, "sharing" Edna Elaine Moses' leukemia.

21. That without a valid therapeutic reason the Respondent self-diagnosed and self-medicated herself with non-therapeutic amounts of Demerol for her "leukemia" that she was allegedly "sharing" with Edna Elaine Moses and also for treatment of an alleged malignant brain tumor and myasthenia gravis.

22. That Respondent has been witnessed routinely receiving non-therapeutic doses of at least 3 cc's of Demerol on an hourly basis by injecting herself in the backs of her hands, the inside of her thighs, or wherever she could locate a suitable vein.

23. That the board appointed psychiatrist who examined the Respondent and reviewed statements made by her patients diagnosed the Respondent as suffering from acute personality disorders including demonic delusions and/or paranoid schizophrenia.
Due to the overwhelming evidence, her license to practice medicine was revoked in 1984.

He Came to Set the Captives Free was published in 1986 -- two years after her license to practice medicine was revoked.

In April, 1986, she legally changed her name to Rebecca Brown, because:
Superior Court of California document No: VCV 009038 said:
[She has] become more known by the proposed name through use as a pen name and use of the name in ministry than her present name.

...back on topic, I don't have any Opeth CDs, but I listened to some samples on iTunes. They're okay (depending on the song). I like their use of mild rhythmic syncopation and subtle vocal harmony, however, the bellowing of lyrics (like in The Baying of the Hounds) weakens their music.
 
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