Oneness Pentecostalism is not Biblical.

[Rescued One]

It means that the doctrine is not important. If you realize you are a sinner in need of salvation and trust Jesus for your salvation, thus receiving the new birth, whether you think of God as a Trinity or Unity does not affect your salvation. I know Christians in both camps with the new birth. It is a doubtful disputation.

God knows who has the new birth.

1 Timothy 4
16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.


1 Corinthians 1
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I will be honest here and I don't claim I know for sure but I'm also convinced at the same time that it is not there in support of the trinity doctrine. So I don't think it says what you think it says.

My one thought I have on this is In Job 38 starting from verse 4.

Job 38
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

In God's mind we already existed. Even though not manifested yet.

William Branham also touched on this verse (Genesis 1) but I did not really understand what was said when I read it. (It was long ago)

But I believe it was inline with above said Scripture. I think taking a look at it again after so many years might not be such a bad idea.

To explain it another way. When working, I found myself trying various ways to solve an issue and I have found myself thinking out loud saying this in solving problems;

"let us try it in this way".

I said it while I was alone! So, maybe I'm just crazy but then I don't think I'm the only one. Or maybe, I spoke for the company I represent.

The morning stars or the sons of God shouted for joy are talking about angels in Job 38:7.
This in no way is connected to God saying,
"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" (Genesis 1:26).

God is clearly referring to Himself in the plural form. Oh, and this is not the only time God refers to Himself in the plural form, either.

"And the LORD said,...." (Genesis 11:6).
"...let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech." (Genesis 11:7).

I think this one is easier to answer. Because God is not man. God is Logos (Spirit).

God is spirit. I never said God is eternally a man, or that such a thing was His eternal essence or core substance; However, God did take on the body of the man known as Christ Jesus.

As for the word "logos": It means "Word" in the Greek.

In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.

Source:
BlueLetterBible - Logos.

The word for spirit is "pneuma" in the Greek.

Source:
BlueLetterBible - Pneuma.

God only took on the form or image of man in order to sacrifice the human nature of the flesh in order to bring us back to the nature of God by filling us with His Spirit.(the Holy Spirit) This is for those who can recognize what has been done.

The Son of God (the Word who is God and who was WITH God) took on literal flesh and blood body of man (from the descendants of Adam) by way of a virgin birth.

While it is true, that Christ's sacrifice is to bring us into holiness by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 5:28-30) (Titus 2:14), the way you describe it sounds like we can actually become god in some way (i.e. the nature of God). God's nature is unique and different than our own. Yes, we can live holy in this life by the power of His Spirit and walk uprightly, but this is not us becoming deity or actually being God if that is what you are suggesting. God is separate from His creation.

You need to identify with your sacrifice.

No. That is not correct. I believe in the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ for my salvation. Every believer must believe that. In addition, they also have to seek forgiveness of their sins with Jesus, as well. Seeking forgiveness (with the Lord Jesus) is repentance. Then the Lord Jesus will do the good work within a person if they continue to surrender their life to Him. The good deeds a person does are the fruits of repentance.

God acted as man giving us an example and at the same time hiding from the carnal mind.

No. God actually took on the body of a man. He did not act as a man as if it did not happen. The Incarnation is real. As for God hiding from the carnal mind. Not sure what that even means. God is holy and it is not possible for Him to sin in any way. The taking on of a body by the Son of God (Second person of the Godhead or Trinity) would not have changed that. The body was just a shell or empty temple. The body would not have tempted the Son of God to do wrong thing (unlike our corrupt flesh or nature). Jesus was holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners (See Hebrews 7:25).

In my opinion the trinity is trying to understand the Godhead with the carnal intellectual mind instead of through revelation given by the Father.

Not at all. The Trinity is clearly told to us point blank in 1 John 5:7 in the King James.

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (1 John 5:7) (KJV).

There are three that bear record in heaven. They are distinct. The Father sent the Son and the Son did not send the Father. You can blaspheme the Holy Ghost and never be forgiven and yet this is not the case with the Word or the Son of Man (Jesus). Jesus said He is going to send us another Comforter, which turned out to be the Holy Ghost. Jesus talked with God the Father and they had conversations by way of prayer. All three persons of the Godhead or Trinity were present distinctly at Christ's baptism. All these things would not make a lick of sense in light of your belief.

 

[AlexDTX]

God knows who has the new birth.

1 Timothy 4
16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.


1 Corinthians 1
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Yes, but so do we who have the new birth.

 

[Small Fish]

Is your belief similar to the one in Gotquestion's article?

https://www.gotquestions.org/Branhamism.html

If so, I would say that is pretty whacky and out there for me. No offense (of course). I am just calling it like I see it. For Mormons believe in holy underwear. This is the impression I get when reading about Branhamism at Gotquestions (Again, no offense).

In any event, may God's love shine upon you today
(even if I strongly disagree with this kind of belief).

Thank you very much.

Yes.

This is the very William Branham. The prophet of Malachi 4:5 and Revelation 10:7. Sent by God and rejected by the religious world.But unfortunately, like most critics do, put out a explenation of him that is flawed with misrepresentations and errors about his teachings, life, ministry and beliefs. I do admit that his ministry attracted all kinds of people that was not always in tune with the truth. However, this should not be strange at all since the same sort of things or misunderstandings followed Jesus Himself as well as His disciples.

But as br. Branham himself said, in order for a Masterpiece to end up in the hall of fame, it must go through the hall of critics first.

Satan has a right to get in his best shot. Like he did at the cross.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Thank you very much.

Yes.

This is the very William Branham. The prophet of Malachi 4:5 and Revelation 10:7. Sent by God and rejected by the religious world.But unfortunately, like most critics do, put out a explenation of him that is flawed with misrepresentationd and errors about his teachings, life, ministry and beliefs. I do admit that his ministry attracted all kinds of people that was not always in tune with the truth. However, this should not be strange at all since the same sort of things or misunderstandings followed Jesus Himself as well as His disciples.

But as br. Branham himself said, in order for a Masterpiece to end up in the hall of fame, it must go through the hall of critics first.

Satan has a right to get in his best shot. Like he did at the cross.

Paul says,
"For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another,
I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?" (1 Corinthians 3:4).

 

[Small Fish]

Paul says,
"For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another,
I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?" (1 Corinthians 3:4).

Yes, and I'm Methodist and I'm Catholic etc. Paul also said follow me as I follow Christ. Right? We should still recognize Gods servents or you'll go lost.

 

[Small Fish]

The morning stars or the sons of God shouted for joy are talking about angels in Job 38:7.
This in no way is connected to God saying,
"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" (Genesis 1:26).

God is clearly referring to Himself in the plural form. Oh, and this is not the only time God refers to Himself in the plural form, either.

"And the LORD said,...." (Genesis 11:6).
"...let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech." (Genesis 11:7).



God is spirit. I never said God is eternally a man, or that such a thing was His eternal essence or core substance; However, God did take on the body of the man known as Christ Jesus.

As for the word "logos": It means "Word" in the Greek.

In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.

Source:
BlueLetterBible - Logos.

The word for spirit is "pneuma" in the Greek.

Source:
BlueLetterBible - Pneuma.



The Son of God (the Word who is God and who was WITH God) took on literal flesh and blood body of man (from the descendants of Adam) by way of a virgin birth.

While it is true, that Christ's sacrifice is to bring us into holiness by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 5:28-30) (Titus 2:14), the way you describe it sounds like we can actually become god in some way (i.e. the nature of God). God's nature is unique and different than our own. Yes, we can live holy in this life by the power of His Spirit and walk uprightly, but this is not us becoming deity or actually being God if that is what you are suggesting. God is separate from His creation.



No. That is not correct. I believe in the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ for my salvation. Every believer must believe that. In addition, they also have to seek forgiveness of their sins with Jesus, as well. Seeking forgiveness (with the Lord Jesus) is repentance. Then the Lord Jesus will do the good work within a person if they continue to surrender their life to Him. The good deeds a person does are the fruits of repentance.



No. God actually took on the body of a man. He did not act as a man as if it did not happen. The Incarnation is real. As for God hiding from the carnal mind. Not sure what that even means. God is holy and it is not possible for Him to sin in any way. The taking on of a body by the Son of God (Second person of the Godhead or Trinity) would not have changed that. The body was just a shell or empty temple. The body would not have tempted the Son of God to do wrong thing (unlike our corrupt flesh or nature). Jesus was holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners (See Hebrews 7:25).



Not at all. The Trinity is clearly told to us point blank in 1 John 5:7 in the King James.

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (1 John 5:7) (KJV).

There are three that bear record in heaven. They are distinct. The Father sent the Son and the Son did not send the Father. You can blaspheme the Holy Ghost and never be forgiven and yet this is not the case with the Word or the Son of Man (Jesus). Jesus said He is going to send us another Comforter, which turned out to be the Holy Ghost. Jesus talked with God the Father and they had conversations by way of prayer. All three persons of the Godhead or Trinity were present distinctly at Christ's baptism. All these things would not make a lick of sense in light of your belief.

You still have a far way to go

 

[drstevej]

You still have a far way to go

So, Small Fish, you reject the doctrine of the Trinity?

 

[Small Fish]

So, Small Fish, you reject the doctrine of the Trinity?

Yes, but I have received the Revelation of the Son of Man.

Luke 17:29-30

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Some people think there are three people up there. I think there is one.

Also, what do you make of Genesis 1 when God says the following?
"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." (Genesis 1:26).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Some people think there are three people up there. I think there is one.

I believe the Lord our God is one God, too. But we pray to the Father in Christ's name as a part of the Lord's prayer. That is the example of how we are to pray. You do not pray to the Holy Ghost. Well, that is if you believe the Holy Ghost is a distinct person. In the Bible, the Holy Ghost came upon Jesus visibly. Also, God the Father was talking up in Heaven about Jesus during this time, too. It was at Christ's baptism. How do you explain things like this?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes, and I'm Methodist and I'm Catholic etc. Paul also said follow me as I follow Christ. Right? We should still recognize Gods servents or you'll go lost.

Then what did Paul's words mean in 1 Corinthians 3:4 about if we say we are of Apollos are we not yet carnal? It seems pretty straight forward to me that Paul does not want us to call ourselves after particular followers.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You still have a far way to go

Please supply me with an explanation of this verse from your beliefs instead an answer that is based solely on your own opinion.

Thanks;
And may God bless you today.

 

[Small Fish]

If you are saying that the blaspheming of the Holy Ghost has to do with what you are talking about here, this is simply not true. Blaspheming the Holy Ghost is speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost. This can never be forgiven in this life (our world) or the one to come (Which is the Millennium or the 1,000 year reign of Christ).

I believe this to be a very deep subject and it comes down to the mercy seat. If there is no blood on the mercy seat it becomes a judgment seat. Incidentally this is what happens when you blaspheme the Holy Ghost. You've crossed the line between mercy and judgment. You bave sinned willfully and there is no more sacrifice for your sins. Hebrews 10

Mercy is where the Pillar of Fire is. But the Pillar of Fire is veiled to the people. In this case it was Jesus Christ (Anointed One). When He died and rose again that Pillar of Fire was sent back to the True Church and anointed her to do the same Works as He did. Since then the mercy seat was in the Church of God. So yes, then, to speak against the Works of God done through His Church was blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

When that Pillar of Fire moved, you better move with it, recognize the veil or you will be left behind in judgment. God has always followed this same Pattern.

Like Noah. Moses could not come with Noah's Message because the Pillar of Fire moved on.

Now when Jesus died on the cross, He said it was finished! And the veil in the temple was wrent from top to bottom and the Mercy Seat came into plain view.

Then while His Holy Spirit moved in the church for 2000 years while he is doing intercession work for the ignorance of the people. But at the end He comes of from that intercessory seat to break the Seven Seals and Reveal the whole plan of God. Then God is finished with the churches.

 

[Small Fish]

Then what did Paul's words mean in 1 Corinthians 3:4 about if we say we are of Apollos are we not yet carnal? It seems pretty straight forward to me that Paul does not want us to call ourselves after particular followers.

It was bringing devision between the Christians. He did not say stop listening to us and reject us. They were still messengers from God and should still be respected as that.

 

[redleghunter]

Yeah, I am going to have to disagree with that translation, brother. I believe it is corrupted. The word "Godhead" in Scripture is just another name for "Trinity."

Colossians 2:9 in the King James says,
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

In the opening of the chapter (Colossians 1), it mentions all three members of the Godhead or the Trinity. For in the body of the man known as Jesus dwelled the fulness of all three persons of the Godhead or Trinity. To say it is deity is to get into mysticism. Then again, Westcott and Hort were into mysticism. So it makes sense that this has crept up in many translations based on their corrupt Greek text. I know. One of my family members used to be into Christian Science. They talked of Jesus as if he is deity and that everyone has this deity and all people can just tap into Jesus living in them any time they want. As if He was some kind of magical force from Star Wars or something. But that is not the Jesus of the Bible. Romans 1:20 also talks of the Godhead (and NOT deity) because it says that we can even see the Godhead in nature.

Atoms = Nucleus, Protons, Electrons.
Water Molecules = Hydrogen Atom, Hydrogen Atom, Oxygen Atom.
Colors of White Light = Red, Blue, Green.
Man's Formation = Dust, Mist (i.e. Water), Breadth of Life.
Man Made in God's Image = Physical Body, Spirit Body, Soul.
Time = Past, Present, Future.
Earth = Crust, Mantle, Core

Acts of the Apostles 17:29 says,
"...we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device."

The Godhead or the Trinity is compared with three building materials that makes up a graven image or an artifact by man:

(a) Gold,
(b) Silver,
(c) Stone.

Deity literally means fullness of God. AKA He is God. The KJV uses Godhead and that's fine too. Because Godhead means fullness of God as well. Paul was making sure his audience did not come away with the idea Jesus was partially God. That is why I think he used 'theotes' instead of theos here. This is the only time Paul uses 'theotes' in his writings. Why? Because Paul is making his statement strong that Jesus is not just Divine but God. The Arians can't get passed this verse and theotes because they use every reference to divine to show it is somehow a quality than a definition of the nature of Christ Jesus. Godhead or Deity...theotes crushes this notion as this can only be God.

 

[redleghunter]

Godhead and Trinity means exactly the same...

We can derive Trinity from Godhead. However, the direct definition from the Strongs KJV is:

Theotes: G2320:

The KJV translates Strong's G2320 in the following manner: Godhead (1x).

Biblical uses:
deity

1. 
   the state of being God, Godhead
   

The bolded is the important part.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I believe this to be a very deep subject and it comes down to the mercy seat. If there is no blood on the mercy seat it becomes a judgment seat. Incidentally this is what happens when you blaspheme the Holy Ghost. You've crossed the line between mercy and judgment. You bave sinned willfully and there is no more sacrifice for your sins. Hebrews 10

Mercy is where the Pillar of Fire is. But the Pillar of Fire is veiled to the people. In this case it was Jesus Christ (Anointed One). When He died and rose again that Pillar of Fire was sent back to the True Church and anointed her to do the same Works as He did. Since then the mercy seat was in the Church of God. So yes, then, to speak against the Works of God done through His Church was blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

When that Pillar of Fire moved, you better move with it, recognize the veil or you will be left behind in judgment. God has always followed this same Pattern.

Like Noah. Moses could not come with Noah's Message because the Pillar of Fire moved on.

Now when Jesus died on the cross, He said it was finished! And the veil in the temple was wrent from top to bottom and the Mercy Seat came into plain view.

Then while His Holy Spirit moved in the church for 2000 years while he is doing intercession work for the ignorance of the people. But at the end He comes of from that intercessory seat to break the Seven Seals and Reveal the whole plan of God. Then God is finished with the churches.

That really does not match up with anything the Bible says, though. The Bible does not mention anything about the mercy seat in relation to blaspheming the Holy Ghost. How can you blaspheme the Holy Ghost in this world and in the world to come? What is the world to come even mean to you? Well, it looks like you may not get back to these questions in a while. But in either case, may God's love shine upon you.

Side Note:

BTW ~ Blaspheming the Holy Ghost is in context or view of speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost. The reason a person is not forgiven if they were to do this is because the Holy Ghost is a distinct person within the Holy Trinity or the Godhead. We know this because Jesus says if you blaspheme the Son of Man, you will be forgiven. There is no mention of any mercy seat in relation to this part of Scripture elsewhere in the Bible that ties in with in blaspheming the Spirit. That is you or someone else saying that hoping to add meaning to some odd belief that cannot be found in Scripture.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Deity literally means fullness of God. AKA He is God. The KJV uses Godhead and that's fine too. Because Godhead means fullness of God as well. Paul was making sure his audience did not come away with the idea Jesus was partially God. That is why I think he used 'theotes' instead of theos here. This is the only time Paul uses 'theotes' in his writings. Why? Because Paul is making his statement strong that Jesus is not just Divine but God. The Arians can't get passed this verse and theotes because they use every reference to divine to show it is somehow a quality than a definition of the nature of Christ Jesus. Godhead or Deity...theotes crushes this notion as this can only be God.

Jesus could have the fullness of God (theos) in Him without being Himself God, since one could then have argued that Paul intends to speak of a Divine Hypostasis, rather than the Divine Essence. By saying the fullness of Deity (theotes) dwells in Christ is to say that Christ is not simply a man indwelt by God's Person, but that Christ is Himself Divine, bearing in Himself that same thing which God has: Deity. Thus the Son shares, in some sense, in that very thing which God the Father has. Coupled together with other Christological statements made in Scripture, prominently the opening prologue of John, we have One who was in the beginning with God, is also God (in some sense), who became flesh, and to behold Him is to behold not merely a man indwelt by God, but to behold God in some way.

The Christological debates of the first few centuries are compelled to deal with these things.

And, frankly, the only position that I have seen which takes all of what Christians have been saying about Jesus and His relationship to God seriously enough is what eventually became known as the doctrine of the Trinity, the Christological confession we have at the Councils of Nicea and Constantinople in the 4th century, and explored in the writings of the contemporary fathers to those councils: Athanasius, Hillary, Ambrose, the Cappadocians, and Augustine. Thus to confess that there are three distinct Someones who are, in a way that is beyond our ability to really comprehend, indeed One in their Being. Such that the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit can never be said to be anything other than one God, the Almighty Lord of heaven and earth; and yet there is a real distinction to be made between the Three, such that there is a living, vibrant, and robust relationship happening. We have Love happening in God, Love in its truest sense: as that which is Other-Oriented, there is never a selfish love but always a selfless love; and this love has neither beginning or end because the Source and End of this love is found in the eternal and immutable God. As creatures, our participation in this love is grace, not nature.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It was bringing devision between the Christians. He did not say stop listening to us and reject us. They were still messengers from God and should still be respected as that.

Your missing the point. Nowhere am I suggesting that believers are not to have spiritual leaders to guide them in the Word of God. 1 Corinthians 3:4 is saying that we are not to say we ARE OF a certain follower like Apollos or Paul because they are just men. For one believer plants and another waters, but it is GOD who gives the increase. So we say we are of GOD and not of a particular follower. That is why Paul asks the question: Are you not carnal if you say you are of Apollos? Paul is basically saying that we are not of a particular Christ follower. We are of Christ instead. We are all followers of Christ. He is the head of the body. Jesus is the foundation and not Apollos and not Paul. Yes, the words of Paul in Scripture are inspired by the Holy Ghost, but we are not of Paul anymore than we are of Apollos or of William Branham.