Oneness Pentecostalism is not Biblical.

[AlexDTX]

How does that apply to Oneness Pentecostalism?

It means that the doctrine is not important. If you realize you are a sinner in need of salvation and trust Jesus for your salvation, thus receiving the new birth, whether you think of God as a Trinity or Unity does not affect your salvation. I know Christians in both camps with the new birth. It is a doubtful disputation.

 

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Because when Jesus was still walking as the Son of Man the sacrifice was not made yet but after that..

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

The Holy Ghost was only given us after the crucifixion and resurrection.

If you are saying that the blaspheming of the Holy Ghost has to do with what you are talking about here, this is simply not true. Blaspheming the Holy Ghost is speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost. This can never be forgiven in this life (our world) or the one to come (Which is the Millennium or the 1,000 year reign of Christ).

 

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Yet we are still one, the flesh speaks with the spirit, the spirit with the soul, and the soul back again to the flesh but all are still one then? The flesh desires one thing, the spirit another, and the soul yet another still? Or do each of our parts have one collective mind? Or do each have a mind of their own?

The distinctiveness of us can be shown in the fact that the body can die and the soul and spirit can continue on without the physical body. I believe that the soul is the mind, will, and emotions. It is the ultimate control persona of us. The flesh has it's own mind. The spirit has another mind. For Jesus says the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. Man's flesh sometimes desires lustful things. Yet, the new born again spirit (After a person seeks forgiveness of their sins with Jesus) desires good things that build up the soul and spirit for everlasting life forever more. Yes, all three work as one. I am not denying that. But they are also distinct, too. You are denying the obvious distinct personas within the Trinity or Godhead (clearly mentioned to us in Scripture).

In your world: It is absolutely non-sensical when we read Scripture. You have reduced God to act as if He has different personas when in reality He really does not have them. This would be deceptive on God's part to do that. We have God the Father declare,

“This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:17).

How can God the Father say that He is well pleased with the Son if in reality the Son really does not exist as a persona and He is just an administration or office? Or how can God the Father say he is well pleased with the Son if it is actually Himself down there with a different name carrying out a different function? It would be deceptive of God to do that because it implies a different persona. If God wanted to make clear that there was no distinct (or different) personas of Himself, then He would say something like: "I am well pleased in what I am doing now as the Son." This is what would have to be said if what you say is true in your beliefs. But that is not what we see in Scripture. We see Jesus treating the Father as if it was a different persona. So your denial of the Trinity is not biblically sound.

 

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It would only make sense if They were distinct persons.

Indeed. It is such a beautiful truth, too. So easy to see. I feel so thankful to God that this truth was never hidden from me. Praise be to God, my friend. Our God is so unique and amazing forever more. Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God almighty!!! Let everything on the Earth give praise to His name.

 

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It means that the doctrine is not important. If you realize you are a sinner in need of salvation and trust Jesus for your salvation, thus receiving the new birth, whether you think of God as a Trinity or Unity does not affect your salvation. I know Christians in both camps with the new birth. It is a doubtful disputation.

The problem with denying the Trinity is that folks are saying that the unique person known as the Son of God (Who is the second person of the Godhead or the Trinity) does not exist. Some say it is God the Father just putting on a mask or mode as the Son and it is not really the Son. Some say that the Father really does not exist and that it is actually the Son (Jesus). They believe the opposite or reverse. The problem with this kind of belief is it a bold denial of the core essence on who God really is. That would be like saying that you really do not exist and that somebody else has morphed to take your place and name. But it is not really you. You do not exist. The Bible says he that denies the Son also denies the Father (See 1 John 2:23). Paul talks about how there are those who believe in another Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4). So we have to make sure we are worshiping the correct Jesus and not a Jesus of our own imagining or a Jesus from some guy's false vision who does and says things contrary to God's Word. To not be specific on who the Son of God really is to worship a lie. The worship of any god that is not true is a lie. It would be false idol worship. Granted, I am not saying that a new believer cannot be ignorant of the Trinity in the beginning of his faith (When He still needs to study and learn about God). But one, this person learns of the truth of God (i.e. the Trinity) in Scripture, they cannot deny it because it would be denying the reality of WHO God is.

 

[redleghunter]

So it would be one person since it is one existence/life, in one God.

Goodnight brother

There is the mystery. Why? Because the Father has distinct existence/life, as does the Son and Holy Spirit. The Scriptures testify of this. Christ is bodily risen from the dead and now glorified sitting at the Right Hand of the Father. The Holy Spirit testifies of this.

 

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Persons implies that they are three distinct people but Godliness is one Father son Holy spirit as YHWH, they are not separate but one God performing three operations at the same time.

If that were so, then why would one operation need to talk to the other operation as if it were a different persona? This is where you belief crumbles and falls apart.

 

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So it would be one person since it is one existence/life, in one God.

Goodnight brother

God certainly is one God, but He also revealed to us within His Word that He exists as three distinct personas, too. Each of these personas communicated with one another. This is not possible for God who only has one persona unless that God were to be deceptive and make us believe there are more than one personas when in reality, there really isn't. My God is not deceptive like that. While God may be invisible and hidden in many ways, He does not deceive us about the truth. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Jesus is truly unique and a different persona than the Father because Jesus talked to the Father and made requests towards Him. This would be non-sensical if God was just one mind and went by different names and He carried out different functions or offices under those names. In fact, speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost can never be forgiven. This is because the Holy Ghost is unique within the Godhead or the Trinity. This doesn't make any sense in light of your belief. For in your belief, they are all the same exactly but just carrying out different functions.

 

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That's me! Branhamite! And proud to be one. If you have any questions, feel free to ask

Is your belief similar to the one in Gotquestion's article?

https://www.gotquestions.org/Branhamism.html

If so, I would say that is pretty whacky and out there for me. No offense (of course). I am just calling it like I see it. For Mormons believe in holy underwear. This is the impression I get when reading about Branhamism at Gotquestions (Again, no offense).

In any event, may God's love shine upon you today
(even if I strongly disagree with this kind of belief).

 

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That's me! Branhamite! And proud to be one. If you have any questions, feel free to ask

So you believe in Modalism. I just do not see how that really works. God would be technically lying to us in His Word by the fact that He is putting on a show that He has different personas by the fact that Jesus prays to the Father and that He appears as three distinct personas at Christ's baptism (When in reality He is not really doing those things according to your belief).

Genesis 1:26 says,
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: "

Why would God refer to Himself in the plural form if He is as you say?
To me, it just looks like you have to do a bunch of backflips so as to avoid what Scripture plainly says.

 

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There is the mystery. Why? Because the Father has distinct existence/life, as does the Son and Holy Spirit. The Scriptures testify of this. Christ is bodily risen from the dead and now glorified sitting at the Right Hand of the Father. The Holy Spirit testifies of this.

Right. I agree, brother. How can the Son sit at the right hand of the Father if they are not distinct persons or personas? It would be deceptive on God's part to give us the impression that He exists as distinct personas like this and yet this is not so (and He only has one persona).

 

[redleghunter]

Although I don't defend unitarianism the word translated as "Godhead" does not implicate a plural natured God. The word is "theios" and it is the adjective form of the word for God (theos) a more literal translation would be "god-like" or even "the god thing" or better yet "divine" and more abstractly in the case of a substantive "divinity"

Actually Deity. As in Colossians 2:9 the fullness of Deity dwells in Christ bodily.

Colossians 2: NASB
8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

Underlined is actually theotēs:

Strong's G2320 - theotēs

Outline of Biblical Usage:

1. deity
   
   1. the state of being God, Godhead
      

 

[redleghunter]

Because when Jesus was still walking as the Son of Man the sacrifice was not made yet but after that..

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

The Holy Ghost was only given us after the crucifixion and resurrection.

Please forgive me but that makes no sense.

 

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Yes. That is the Trinity.
The incarnation is easy! God revealed Himself to us as a man.
The WORD, which is the thought of God, became flesh.
The breath of God is the Holy Spirit....this is how it could be understood since all were with and in God from the very beginning. No one was added to God, they always existed.

God had tried to explain Himself to us from the beginning with the Prophets, Kings (which He didn't even want) Moses, etc. and then finally, He sent His only Son as was promised in Genesis 3:17. God had to become one of us so He could explain to us in our own language. There are analogies to this I used to use...the bird flying around in the house and hitting into windows; the ants falling off a cliff. In each case a human had to become either a bird of an ant to warn them of the danger. This is what God did for us.

Also, if Jesus is NOT God, we're worshipping a man!
But Thomas said: My Lord and My God.
Thomas certainly knew!

I am so glad you believe Jesus is God. So many today deny that truth. Yet, some wrongfully think Jesus is the Father in the fact that the Father just puts on a mask as the Son (Jesus). So it is not really Jesus but the Father. Others believe the Son (Jesus) is also the Father and the Son merely put on a mask so as to be the Father. Jesus is still God to them, but Christ is not exactly as described as we see Him in Scripture. If what they say is true (in the fact that the Trinity is false): This means Jesus was putting on a show (kind of like an actor) and was pretending to talk with another persona of Himself when in reality He was only talking with Himself and He was not really making any kind of requests to the Father but only to Himself. So when Jesus says to take this cup away from to the Father (if it be possible), it really does not mean that (for those who deny the Trinity).

As for your statement that the Holy Ghost is the breath of God. While Jesus did breath the Holy Ghost upon His disciples, this does not mean, that the Holy Ghost is not a unique person. The Holy Ghost is a distinct persona or person within the Trinity or Godhead.

The Holy Spirit is called God:

“Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.” (Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4).​

The Holy Spirit is on equal level with being God:

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matthew 28:19).​

The Holy Spirit is eternal:

“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” (Hebrews 9:14).​

The Holy Spirit is a person:

“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;” (John 14:16).​

The Holy Spirit can be grieved:

“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” (Ephesians 4:30).​

The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed:

“And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” (Matthew 12:32).

Important Note: Only God can be blasphemed.​

The Father Sent The Holy Spirit

The Bible says that God the Father sent the Holy Spirit:
The Father will send the Holy Spirit, not Himself, to help believers:

Jesus said,

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you (John 14:26).​

There Is A Difference Between The Father And The Holy Spirit:
The Holy Spirit does the will of God the Father.

Paul wrote,

And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will (Romans 8:27).​

Source used for Holy Spirit being distinct from the Father:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_325.cfm

 

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Actually Deity. As in Colossians 2:9 the fullness of Deity dwells in Christ bodily.

Colossians 2: NASB
8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

Underlined is actually theotēs:

Strong's G2320 - theotēs

Outline of Biblical Usage:

1. 
   
   
   • deity
     1. the state of being God, Godhead

Yeah, I am going to have to disagree with that translation, brother. I believe it is corrupted. The word "Godhead" in Scripture is just another name for "Trinity."

Colossians 2:9 in the King James says,
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

In the opening of the chapter (Colossians 1), it mentions all three members of the Godhead or the Trinity. For in the body of the man known as Jesus dwelled the fulness of all three persons of the Godhead or Trinity. To say it is deity is to get into mysticism. Then again, Westcott and Hort were into mysticism. So it makes sense that this has crept up in many translations based on their corrupt Greek text. I know. One of my family members used to be into Christian Science. They talked of Jesus as if he is deity and that everyone has this deity and all people can just tap into Jesus living in them any time they want. As if He was some kind of magical force from Star Wars or something. But that is not the Jesus of the Bible. Romans 1:20 also talks of the Godhead (and NOT deity) because it says that we can even see the Godhead in nature.

Atoms = Nucleus, Protons, Electrons.
Water Molecules = Hydrogen Atom, Hydrogen Atom, Oxygen Atom.
Colors of White Light = Red, Blue, Green.
Man's Formation = Dust, Mist (i.e. Water), Breadth of Life.
Man Made in God's Image = Physical Body, Spirit Body, Soul.
Time = Past, Present, Future.
Earth = Crust, Mantle, Core

Acts of the Apostles 17:29 says,
"...we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device."

The Godhead or the Trinity is compared with three building materials that makes up a graven image or an artifact by man:

(a) Gold,
(b) Silver,
(c) Stone.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I am so glad you believe Jesus is God. So many today deny that truth. Yet, some wrongfully think Jesus is the Father in the fact that the Father just puts on a mask as the Son (Jesus). So it is not really Jesus but the Father. Others believe the Son (Jesus) is also the Father and the Son merely put on a mask so as to be the Father. Jesus is still God to them, but Christ is not exactly as described as we see Him in Scripture. If what they say is true (in the fact that the Trinity is false): This means Jesus was putting on a show (kind of like an actor) and was pretending to talk with another persona of Himself when in reality He was only talking with Himself and He was not really making any kind of requests to the Father but only to Himself. So when Jesus says to take this cup away from to the Father (if it be possible), it really does not mean that (for those who deny the Trinity).

As for your statement that the Holy Ghost is the breath of God. While Jesus did breath the Holy Ghost upon His disciples, this does not mean, that the Holy Ghost is not a unique person. The Holy Ghost is a distinct persona or person within the Trinity or Godhead.

The Holy Spirit is called God:

“Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.” (Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4).​

The Holy Spirit is on equal level with being God:

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matthew 28:19).​

The Holy Spirit is eternal:

“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” (Hebrews 9:14).​

The Holy Spirit is a person:

“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;” (John 14:16).​

The Holy Spirit can be grieved:

“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” (Ephesians 4:30).​

The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed:

“And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” (Matthew 12:32).

Important Note: Only God can be blasphemed.​

The Father Sent The Holy Spirit

The Bible says that God the Father sent the Holy Spirit:
The Father will send the Holy Spirit, not Himself, to help believers:

Jesus said,

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you (John 14:26).​

There Is A Difference Between The Father And The Holy Spirit:
The Holy Spirit does the will of God the Father.

Paul wrote,

And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will (Romans 8:27).​

Source used for Holy Spirit being distinct from the Father:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_325.cfm

Agreed on everything...
Great post re the Holy Spirit.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Yeah, I am going to have to disagree with that translation, brother. I believe it is corrupted. The word "Godhead" in Scripture is just another name for "Trinity."

Colossians 2:9 in the King James says,
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

In the opening of the chapter (Colossians 1), it mentions all three members of the Godhead or the Trinity. For in the body of the man known as Jesus dwelled the fulness of all three persons of the Godhead or Trinity. To say it is deity is to get into mysticism. Then again, Westcott and Hort were into mysticism. So it makes sense that this has crept up in many translations based on their corrupt Greek text. I know. One of my family members used to be into Christian Science. They talked of Jesus as if he is deity and that everyone has this deity and all people can just tap into Jesus living in them any time they want. As if He was some kind of magical force from Star Wars or something. But that is not the Jesus of the Bible. Romans 1:20 also talks of the Godhead (and NOT deity) because it says that we can even see the Godhead in nature.

Atoms = Nucleus, Protons, Electrons.
Water Molecules = Hydrogen Atom, Hydrogen Atom, Oxygen Atom.
Colors of White Light = Red, Blue, Green.
Man's Formation = Dust, Mist (i.e. Water), Breadth of Life.
Man Made in God's Image = Physical Body, Spirit Body, Soul.
Time = Past, Present, Future.
Earth = Crust, Mantle, Core

Acts of the Apostles 17:29 says,
"...we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device."

The Godhead or the Trinity is compared with three building materials that makes up a graven image or an artifact by man:

(a) Gold,
(b) Silver,
(c) Stone.

Godhead and Trinity means exactly the same...

 

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Agreed on everything...
Great post re the Holy Spirit.

Thank you for the kind rep for what I said.
I am so glad you agree, sister.
These truths in Scripture are so precious to me.

*Gives you a big hug in the Lord*
*Which would no doubt be followed by my wife giving you a big hug, too*

 

[GodsGrace101]

Thank you for the kind rep for what I said.
I am so glad you agree, sister.
These truths in Scripture are so precious to me.

*Gives you a big hug in the Lord*
*Which would no doubt be followed by my wife giving you a big hug, too*

Hugs are good!

 

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Although I don't defend unitarianism the word translated as "Godhead" does not implicate a plural natured God. The word is "theios" and it is the adjective form of the word for God (theos) a more literal translation would be "god-like" or even "the god thing" or better yet "divine" and more abstractly in the case of a substantive "divinity"

I disagree strongly, my friend.

See my Post #155 within this thread.