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Oneness Pentecostalism is not Biblical.

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Deity literally means fullness of God. AKA He is God. The KJV uses Godhead and that's fine too. Because Godhead means fullness of God as well. Paul was making sure his audience did not come away with the idea Jesus was partially God. That is why I think he used 'theotes' instead of theos here. This is the only time Paul uses 'theotes' in his writings. Why? Because Paul is making his statement strong that Jesus is not just Divine but God. The Arians can't get passed this verse and theotes because they use every reference to divine to show it is somehow a quality than a definition of the nature of Christ Jesus. Godhead or Deity...theotes crushes this notion as this can only be God.

I disagree. First, BlueLetterBible in the Strong's says this about the Greek word:

Theios
Pronunciation:
thā'-os
Definition:
"spoken of the only and true God, trinity"

Source:
BlueLetter Bible - Theios

Second, the context of which I have already showed you is clear that it is talking about the Trinity and not some basic general reference to some deity here. How exactly do you see deity (or the divine) in the creation? Romans 1:20 talks about the invisible things of God like His eternal power and the Godhead (Trinity) can be seen in nature. This really does not work if you are talking about deity or the divine. Also, all the fulness of the Godhead or the Trinity inside the body of the man Jesus makes more sense in Colossians 2:9 than some mere talk about some general reference to deity. Deity alone is all Paul would have to say to make His point if Paul wanted to make a point how Jesus was divine. But He says ALL of the fulness of the Godhead (or the Trinity) was in Christ. This means, that Jesus is fully God because all three persons of the Godhead dwell within Him. Even today, we use the word "Godhead" to refer to the Trinity. So it is logically a better translation that fits all three verses that use the word "Godhead." To cut that out cripples a believer's argument against those who seek to attack the Trinity or the Godhead. But you are free to believe as you wish, my friend.

Furthermore, in the Greek to English meanings:

Theios = Godhead or Trinity
Theos = God
treis = three
heis = one​

We can see roughly the words "God," "three," and, "one" in "Theios" (or Godhead or Trinity).

Yes, it is true, the word "theios" can be rendered as "divine" in other parts of Scripture; However, it would not always be as accurate to render it this way every time based on looking at the context. For even words in our own language that look and sound the same can have multiple meanings to them. They are called homonyms. Bark can be a bark on a tree or it can be a bark from a dog.

For example: The bark of the dog echoed up the tree at the squirrel who was hanging on the bark of the tree at the top near the branches.

Same word in spelling, but they each have two different meanings.

So we realize that the word "theios" is a Greek homonym in the Bible. Although it is a word that is spelled the same way, it can have two different meanings based on the context (i.e. the surrounding words).
 
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The distinctiveness of us can be shown in the fact that the body can die and the soul and spirit can continue on without the physical body. I believe that the soul is the mind, will, and emotions. It is the ultimate control persona of us. The flesh has it's own mind. The spirit has another mind. For Jesus says the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. Man's flesh sometimes desires lustful things. Yet, the new born again spirit (After a person seeks forgiveness of their sins with Jesus) desires good things that build up the soul and spirit for everlasting life forever more. Yes, all three work as one. I am not denying that. But they are also distinct, too. You are denying the obvious distinct personas within the Trinity or Godhead (clearly mentioned to us in Scripture).

In your world: It is absolutely non-sensical when we read Scripture. You have reduced God to act as if He has different personas when in reality He really does not have them. This would be deceptive on God's part to do that. We have God the Father declare,

“This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:17).

How can God the Father say that He is well pleased with the Son if in reality the Son really does not exist as a persona and He is just an administration or office? Or how can God the Father say he is well pleased with the Son if it is actually Himself down there with a different name carrying out a different function? It would be deceptive of God to do that because it implies a different persona. If God wanted to make clear that there was no distinct (or different) personas of Himself, then He would say something like: "I am well pleased in what I am doing now as the Son." This is what would have to be said if what you say is true in your beliefs. But that is not what we see in Scripture. We see Jesus treating the Father as if it was a different persona. So your denial of the Trinity is not biblically sound.
It would only be deceptive if he at any time said he was three and was in fact one, but the Lord has always said he one and only one. Not three distinct personas. So there is no deception.

Again brother it is not deception because the Lord said this is my son and we are one.

No brother what was said was true, this is my son in whom I am well pleased they are one but the son has put himself in subjection to the father.

The son treats the father as a father because that is the way God wills it.

Everything I have said agrees with scripture. God is one, not three.
 
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There is the mystery. Why? Because the Father has distinct existence/life, as does the Son and Holy Spirit. The Scriptures testify of this. Christ is bodily risen from the dead and now glorified sitting at the Right Hand of the Father. The Holy Spirit testifies of this.
No brother you say they are distinct, God makes no distinction only saying he is one. The mystery is how he remains one without being three distinct parts, how water(ice)(Christ) water(liquid)(the father) and water(gas)(Holy spirit) are all still water. It is a great mystery that we are not told the answer to, we are only told time and time again that they remain as they have always been, one God.

Yes YHWH as the son Yahshua sits on the right hand of the father spiritually, the holy spirit testifies of this.
 
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God certainly is one God, but He also revealed to us within His Word that He exists as three distinct personas, too. Each of these personas communicated with one another. This is not possible for God who only has one persona unless that God were to be deceptive and make us believe there are more than one personas when in reality, there really isn't. My God is not deceptive like that. While God may be invisible and hidden in many ways, He does not deceive us about the truth. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Jesus is truly unique and a different persona than the Father because Jesus talked to the Father and made requests towards Him. This would be non-sensical if God was just one mind and went by different names and He carried out different functions or offices under those names. In fact, speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost can never be forgiven. This is because the Holy Ghost is unique within the Godhead or the Trinity. This doesn't make any sense in light of your belief. For in your belief, they are all the same exactly but just carrying out different functions.
He has revealed that he is one, only by adding to scritpure and looking at it with human understanding must we demand that he be put into three so that the mystery can be understood.

No brother, all things are possible by the Lord. If the Lord wills it will be done. He has always said he is one and only one, never that he had three parts. There is no deception only honesty, that your belief adds two parts to God is the deception. '

Brother I have been through this with you before, Christ is the son and there is no problem with the son(ice) speaking to the Father(liquid) or the spirit(Gas) for they are all water. They take on different forms but remain the same water.
 
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No brother you say they are distinct, God makes no distinction only saying he is one.

Yes YHWH as the son Yahshua sits on the right hand of the father spiritually, the holy spirit testifies of this.

You contradict yourself, my friend.
You say there is no distinction and yet you just made one by saying that the Son sits on the right hand of the Father. Why does God need two seats if He is just one persona? Your not making any sense.
 
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He has revealed that he is one, only by adding to scritpure and looking at it with human understanding must we demand that he be put into three so that the mystery can be understood.

No brother, all things are possible by the Lord. If the Lord wills it will be done. He has always said he is one and only one, never that he had three parts. There is no deception only honesty, that your belief adds two parts to God is the deception. '

Brother I have been through this with you before, Christ is the son and there is no problem with the son(ice) speaking to the Father(liquid) or the spirit(Gas) for they are all water. They take on different forms but remain the same water.

Again, it is deception for Jesus to pray to the Father and yet they really are not two distinct persons or personas. Your saying so otherwise does not change the reality of such a thing.
 
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Again, it is deception for Jesus to pray to the Father and yet they really are not two distinct persons or personas. Your saying so otherwise does not change the reality of such a thing.
No it's not deceptive at all, we're told God's nature is a mystery and that God(father, son, holy spirit) is one and exists is as one. You saying it is deceptive does not make it deceptive. God is one.
 
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You contradict yourself, my friend.
You say there is no distinction and yet you just made one by saying that the Son sits on the right hand of the Father. Why does God need two seats if He is just one persona? Your not making any sense.
No contradiction, Christ the son sits on the right hand of the father, they are one and exist as one.

He exists as father son holy spirit simultaneously one God, but not in three. It is the mystery. Water exists in three forms but all are still water just in a different form, YHWH the son YHWH the Father, YHWH the holy spirit all are one and exist as one.
 
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No it's not deceptive at all, we're told God's nature is a mystery and that God(father, son, holy spirit) is one and exists is as one. You saying it is deceptive does not make it deceptive. God is one.

It is deceptive. Hypothetically speaking, if there was a being in the universe who had the capacity to split his body and talk with Himself and call himself different names, it would be highly strange to us if we encountered such a being because it is not how we exist and or communicate. It would be very unusual and out of the norm. Surely God would explain this to us and be upfront with us about this if He was surely that way.
 
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Thank you very much.

Yes.

This is the very William Branham. The prophet of Malachi 4:5 and Revelation 10:7. Sent by God and rejected by the religious world.But unfortunately, like most critics do, put out a explenation of him that is flawed with misrepresentations and errors about his teachings, life, ministry and beliefs. I do admit that his ministry attracted all kinds of people that was not always in tune with the truth. However, this should not be strange at all since the same sort of things or misunderstandings followed Jesus Himself as well as His disciples.

But as br. Branham himself said, in order for a Masterpiece to end up in the hall of fame, it must go through the hall of critics first.

Satan has a right to get in his best shot. Like he did at the cross.

The followers of William Branham are following false teachings.
"Wherefore come out from among them and be ye separate," saith the Lord.
 
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It is deceptive. Hypothetically speaking, if there was a being in the universe who had the capacity to split his body and talk with Himself and call himself different names, it would be highly strange to us if we encountered such a being because it is not how we exist and or communicate. It would be very unusual and out of the norm. Surely God would explain this to us and be upfront with us about this if He was surely that way.
No deception, it would only be perceived that way if someone first told you this being was three parts and later you were told that this being was just one. That would be where the confusion would come from, otherwise you would understand that the being has said that he is one and only one. That the nature of his existence was beyond our understanding and was/is a great mystery we cannot now understand.

The example he has given us on this earth is water existing in three forms but still remains water.
 
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The nearest church to my apartment is a United Pentecostal church. I went to it twice; the pastor gave me a book of their beliefs. I had really seen nothing in those two services much different than an Assembly of God church. But I choked on the part in the book that got to the Trinity.
 
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Actually Deity. As in Colossians 2:9 the fullness of Deity dwells in Christ bodily.

Colossians 2: NASB
8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

Underlined is actually theotēs:

Strong's G2320 - theotēs

Outline of Biblical Usage:



    • deity
      1. the state of being God, Godhead

I'm not talking about theotes (G2320) which is a noun. I'm talking about theios (G2304) which is an adjective.
 
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I disagree strongly, my friend.

See my Post #155 within this thread.
Col 2:9 KJV
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

Acts 17:29 KJV
...we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold...

in Colossians "Godhead" is theotes (noun/G2320) and in Acts "Godhead" is theios (adjective/G2304) these are different words that are translated that same (KJV)
 
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The nearest church to my apartment is a United Pentecostal church. I went to it twice; the pastor gave me a book of their beliefs. I had really seen nothing in those two services much different than an Assembly of God church. But I choked on the part in the book that got to the Trinity.
Choked in what way
 
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I thought you were speaking of Colossians 2:9.
no but I see the confusion. I was addressing Acts 17:29 and just assumed the rest were the same word but as it turns out they are not but I should have noticed the Colossians 2:9 reference. theotes (of Colossians 2:9) is a feminine noun derived from "theos" (God). This word also doesn't implicate the trinity so use Godhead or deity so long as you don't say Godhead is just another word for trinity
 
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no but I see the confusion. I was addressing Acts 17:29 and just assumed the rest were the same word but as it turns out they are not but I should have noticed the Colossians 2:9 reference. theotes (of Colossians 2:9) is a feminine noun derived from "theos" (God). This word also doesn't implicate the trinity so use Godhead or deity so long as you don't say Godhead is just another word for trinity
I tend to agree. In Acts Paul was addressing the One essence or manifesting the characteristics of God's nature. He was trying to convince pagans the One True God is not one of many gods.

In Colossians he is making it painfully obvious Jesus was not a human body inhabited by a deity but Deity.

Said better here:

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...-is-not-biblical.8077480/page-9#post-73067229
 
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