ZoneChaos
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What is at issue is that you (the OSAS preacher) told this fellow that he was saved and nothing would ever change that. Now, however, you look at his life and judge that he has never been saved. Now, he believes he is saved and nothing could change that because of your teaching.
Hmm..
A preacher has only the right to teach a person how to bet saved. Only God has the right to say "You are saved"
The preacher will preach that once you are saved you alwasy will be, but only God tells you you are saved.
And when that same preacher loks at his life, or any christian for that matter, and sees the guy not living the life of a christian., it is the duty of that christian to question his salvation.. and to find out why is is behaving the way he is, and maybe let him know that he really isn't saved like he thought he was.
Now, when you witnessed to him while he was in the ditch, he told you he was saved. He believes it. You shake your head sadly and think, "What a loser. He's never been saved. It was all fake." [/quote\]
First.. never have the attitude of "He's a loser."
Second, him believing he was saved was a trick of Satan, and b noticing that Christ was not in his life, you can then let him know he was wrong, and that he was not saved, and then begin to lead him to what being saved really is: freedom from whatever is keeping him in the ditch through Jesus Christ.
Your teaching is sending this fellow t
This is an ill-founded remark.
OSAS in not a "teaching". Salvation is a teaching...
See, you don't believe he is saved.
I don't believe he is saved.
Then I would say it is safe to confront him about it and let him know he isn't.
Yet you told him he was saved and that that would never change.
Not so. Only God can do this. "If you beleive, then you are saved" is what is taight. Not "if you do this you will be saved".
The first is a Faith teaching, the second is a work.
You've lied to him then, since now that circumstances have changed, you've changed your doctrine.
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Doctrine hasn't changed. When a person is saved, they alwasy will be. When a person actas or thinks they are saved, they might not be.. depending on wether they truly believed or not.
Which do you believe, then? That a person who gets saved is saved
Yes.
No. Though I would change it to read "that a person thinks they are saved..."that a person gets saved until circumstances belie that they were ever saved?
(recall, please, that "you" is the feller from church who witnessed to the once-saved-drunkard. It's not personal.
And is it obvious from his life he isn't saed? If so then he was not "once saved".
Have a Jesus-filled day!
I am not sure if this was meant to saoften the post you made, but there ar a couple of things in your post that are rather harsh...
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