Of course life can come from non-life.

[Nitron]

Do you have a natural explanation for the origin of life from non-life? A simple yes or no will do.

FoeHammer.

No, but yours is worse.

 

[FoeHammer]

A simple yes or no (not know )...

I stand corrected and have edited, thankyou.

...will probably not do,...

... because the answer I think is() closest to reality is "we have ideas and we are working on it but we aren't sure yet". That isn't equivalent to either a yes or a no. But I'm not at all well-read in this abiogenesis business.

"We have ideas and are working on it" is equivalent to a no at this moment in time.

FoeHammer.

 

[FoeHammer]

No, but yours is worse.

Is that it? Are you not going to attempt to explain what you think my explanation is and why it is worse than your non explanation?

FoeHammer.

 

[Nitron]

Is that it? Are you not going to attempt to explain what you think my explanation is and why it is worse than your non explanation?

FoeHammer.

Our explanation "we don't know, but we have prel evidence from many fields that suggests how it might have come about" is better than your "here's a book that may say that some magic man snapped his fingers and created life". Our goal is testability, your goal is feeling good.

 

[Nitron]

In addition, I find it funny you're trying to lambast me when all I did was answer your question.

 

[Loudmouth]

Is that it? Are you not going to attempt to explain what you think my explanation is and why it is worse than your non explanation?

FoeHammer.

The problem is that you don't have an explanation. Explaining a mystery with a larger mystery is not an explanation.

How are babies made? It's magic.

Have I really explained how babies are made? No, but that is exactly how it is explained in the Bible where babies are formed by God.

"God Did It" is not an explanation. In fact, it is even worse than that. It is a science stopper.

 

[FoeHammer]

Our explanation "we don't know, but we have prel evidence from many fields that suggests how it might have come about" is better than your "here's a book that may say that some magic man snapped his fingers and created life". Our goal is testability, your goal is feeling good.

Just admit (if only to yourself)that you don't have a clue what you, or we, are talking about and in future leave the conversation to grown ups.

FoeHammer.

 

[Nitron]

Just admit (if only to yourself)that you don't have a clue what you, or we, are talking about and in future leave the conversation to grown ups.

FoeHammer.

Why would I want to admit something that's not true

Viva la ad hominem!

 

[FoeHammer]

In addition, I find it funny you're trying to lambast me when all I did was answer your question.

The "no" bit was the answer to my question the "but yours is worse" bit required a response.

FoeHammer.

 

[Nitron]

Fair enough.

 

[FoeHammer]

The problem is that you don't have an explanation. Explaining a mystery with a larger mystery is not an explanation.

How are babies made? It's magic.

Have I really explained how babies are made? No, but that is exactly how it is explained in the Bible where babies are formed by God.

A simple no would have sufficed.

"God Did It" is not an explanation. In fact, it is even worse than that. It is a science stopper.

"A science stopper"? Of course it isn't. You're peddling a myth.

FoeHammer.

 

[Naraoia]

A simple no would have sufficed."A science stopper"? Of course it isn't. You're peddling a myth.

FoeHammer.

Yes it is, if you aren't interested in how God did it. The whole point of science is to try and find out how things work. Even when we have no clue. Especially when we have no clue. And as soon as you have no clue and say 'well, there's in fact no mystery at all, God did it and that's it', you've stopped doing science.

 

[Catholicon]

Adam and Eve fell because they listened to something other than to GOD's direction.

But Adam and Eve had Free Will. Why punish them for using it?

 

[TheOutsider]

We have ideas and are working on it" is equivalent to a no at this moment in time.

FoeHammer.

You don't strike me as a very patient person. When scientists finally do create artificial life in the lab will you suddenly become an evolutionists or are you just going to move the goalposts a little further out?

 

[PeterMaclellan]

We didn't know what caused birds to fly, we could have said God did it and left it at that, or we could have researched birds and tried to figure it out. We did the latter and we learned to fly ourselves.

We didn't know what caused the rain to fall, we could have said God did it and left it at that, or we could have researched the weather and tried to figure it out, We did the latter and now have a great deal of information on the cycle of the most important element to our survival.

We didn't know why people got sick, we could have said God did it and left it at that, or we could have researched it and figured it out, we did the later and countless lives were saved.

We are again faced with a question, how did life start. We can say God did it and leave it at that, or we can research it, and figure it out.
The history of science is a long story of supernatural superstition being replaced by natural theories, every major scientific discovery and advance IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND replaced a supernatural superstition of some kind, and as a result our lives have been immeasurably improved.

So FoeHammer, explain to me, given the history of science, what possible benefit "God did it" might have to society? Do we know conclusively what happened? No. But the fact that we do not know how it happened seems to me at least to be the greatest reason in the world to try and figure it out, yet you would have us just trust the bible and stop trying. People like you have stood in the way of humanities progress for thousands of years. And I am very thankful that the tides are turning and the stranglehold religious superstition has had on the scientific community has been so greatly reduced.

 

[FoeHammer]

Yes it is, if you aren't interested in how God did it. The whole point of science is to try and find out how things work. Even when we have no clue. Especially when we have no clue. And as soon as you have no clue and say 'well, there's in fact no mystery at all, God did it and that's it', you've stopped doing science.

Believing that Goddidit does not prohibit any investigation into what He did and how it works.

FoeHammer.

 

[PeterMaclellan]

Of course it does. How are we supposed to test how God did it? God doesn't like sitting still for Q & A lately. The only possible explanations we can test and research are natural ones and we have never successfully tested or found evidence for a single supernatural one. Saying God did it entirely destroys and ENTIRELY prohibits investigation.

 

[FoeHammer]

You don't strike me as a very patient person. When scientists finally do create artificial life in the lab will you suddenly become an evolutionists or are you just going to move the goalposts a little further out?

Whose goalposts? As I have said previously for anyone who may be looking for a natural explanation of "abiogenesis" it can’t, by definition, be found in a man made laboratory. If anyone has shifted the goalposts it is the scientists.

FoeHammer.

 

[TheOutsider]

Whose goalposts? As I have said previously for anyone who may be looking for a natural explanation of "abiogenesis" it can’t, by definition, be found in a man made laboratory.

Why not? If we can create artificial life in an environment similar to that found in nature (like a continuation of Miller-Urey and Bada experiments) how is it not evidence that abiogenesis is possible?

If anyone has shifted the goalposts it is the scientists.

I guess I should have realized that there is no evidence you would possibly accept. I'm not sure why anyone bothers debating you.

 

[tanzanos]

Yes it is, if you aren't interested in how God did it. The whole point of science is to try and find out how things work. Even when we have no clue. Especially when we have no clue. And as soon as you have no clue and say 'well, there's in fact no mystery at all, God did it and that's it', you've stopped doing science.

Thats when you start burning witches!