Of course life can come from non-life.

[Blayz]

not according to my Bible it didn't and for anyone who may be looking for a natural explanation of "abiogenesis" it can’t, by definition, be found in a man made laboratory.

FoeHammer.

Wow. What version of the bible do you read? Mine says God made man from dust.

Thats quite literally life from non-life. Even with a literal interpretation of Genesis, it's still abiogenesis.


Unless you read some weird bible that says it was magical living pixie dust?

 

[FoeHammer]

Wow. What version of the bible do you read? Mine says God made man from dust.

Thats quite literally life from non-life. Even with a literal interpretation of Genesis, it's still abiogenesis.


Unless you read some weird bible that says it was magical living pixie dust?

Oh come on this is basic stuff.
Gen 2:7 And The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
(Emphasis added.)
Now how is that life from non-life?

FoeHammer.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Oh come on this is basic stuff.
Gen 2:7 And The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
(Emphasis added.)
Now how is that life from non-life?

FoeHammer.

Insofar as dust is not alive and a man formed out of dust isn't either?

 

[FoeHammer]

Insofar as dust is not alive and a man formed out of dust isn't either?

Then you don't have life from non-life do you?

FoeHammer.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Then you don't have life from non-life do you?

FoeHammer.

Step 1: Take dust. (not alive)
Step 2: Form a man out of dust (not alive)
Step 3: Breathe into the nostrils of that man the breath of life (alive)

Non-life -----> life.

 

[sashatheman]

Step 1: Take dust. (not alive)
Step 2: Form a man out of dust (not alive)
Step 3: Breathe into the nostrils of that man the breath of life (alive)

Non-life -----> life.

Slow-down egghead

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Slow-down egghead

Excuse me?

 

[FoeHammer]

Step 1: Take dust. (not alive)
Step 2: Form a man out of dust (not alive)
Step 3: Breathe into the nostrils of that man the breath of life (alive)

Non-life -----> life.

Abiogenesis: life from non-living matter.
The Bible: Life from God. Life comes from life.

FoeHammer.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Only that this is an equivocation of "life" as far as I am concerned.

 

[AV1611VET]

Abiogenesis: life from non-living matter.
The Bible: Life from God. Life comes from life.

FoeHammer.

Only that this is an equivocation of "life" as far as I am concerned.

It depends where you put your emphasis.

• Christians put their emphasis on God - (breathing life into Adam).
• Atheists put their emphasis on Adam - (becoming life).

Of course we know what happened, as God documented it.

Also, for everything God does, Satan imitates.

Notice how he will try the same thing in Revelation:

[bible]Revelation 13:15[/bible]

 

[FishFace]

Of course we know what happened, as God documented it.

Who documented it? Evidence, please.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who documented it? Evidence, please.

Is this a trick question?

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See His name right there on the cover?

[bible]Isaiah 57:15[/bible]

 

[thaumaturgy]

It depends where you put your emphasis.

• Christians put their emphasis on God - (breathing life into Adam).
• Atheists put their emphasis on Adam - (becoming life).

Of course we know what happened, as God documented it.

Wrong.

We "know" what happened, as some anonymous source recorded it ostensibly on behalf of God.

Please, I know english isn't your specialty and you like to use unique "interpretations" of words but be clear on this point.

Notice how he will try the same thing in Revelation:

[bible]Revelation 13:15[/bible]

We'll keep an eye open for that. Sure 'nuff.

You do realize people have been "keeping an eye open for that" sort of thing throughout most of history since someone decided Revelation was a prophetic book, right?

How many millenia do you think we need to keep an eye open for this sort of stuff?

Why don't fundamentalists grow up and live in the real world for a while instead of obsessing on magical fantasies which might have been written as allegorical commentary on stuff happening contemporaneously for John of Patmos?

This eschatology stuff is fun for "campfire ghost stories" to scare the kiddies, but at some point we all have to grow up and get jobs and live adult lives, pay our taxes, and maybe work on helping each other instead of telling ghosty stories to scare the kiddies all the time, or threatening our fellow humans with unimaginable terror should they fail to believe as we do.

Revelation is even less to do with evolution and science than your beloved Genesis.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Is this a trick question?

It's a trick question if you are incapable of understanding logic and human history.

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See His name right there on the cover?

Next time post a picture of the KJV cover that bears gods name. THIS picture you posted shows no such thing.

(Maybe you can photograph your own "First Edition" KJV! )

 

[AV1611VET]

Next time post a picture of the KJV cover that bears gods name. THIS picture you posted shows no such thing.

Didn't you read the verse that I posted with it?

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See His name right there on the cover?

For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

Whose name is Holy --- as in Holy Bible --- get it now?

Or now am I gonna get some "cute" comeback like:

• Yup --- just like the Holy Koran --- or ---
• Holy Bible? I didn't know God had a last name.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Forget it.

It's irrational to debate this point.

It is quite reasonable to assume the word Holy (despite its capitalization) is an adjective.

Here's a link for the STRONG'S CONCORDANCE of this instance of HOLY:

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=06918

קדוש Transliteration

qadowsh

Pronunciation

kä·doshe' (Key)

Part of Speech

adjective

 

[AV1611VET]

Forget it.

It's irrational to debate this point.

It is quite reasonable to assume the word Holy (despite its capitalization) is an adjective.

--- I was just coming back with that [capitalization] point.

 

[FoeHammer]

Only that this is an equivocation of "life" as far as I am concerned.

How so?

FoeHammer.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

How so?

FoeHammer.

Biological organism vs vitalistic lifeforce (in want of a better expression.)

 

[PeterMaclellan]

Foe hammer, what kind of organic material was 'God' composed of? The fact is according to your story, God made inorganic material organic, and from the scientific point of view, inorganic material became organic through natural processes. The simple fact in order to believe either story you must accept the premise that inorganic material can somehow become organic material, however to accept the literal Christian point of view on Creation you must also go one assumption further, and posit the existence of a pre-existing incredibly complex intelligence. So I'll reiterate my original Challenge explain to me how it is more logical to believe inorganic material became organic material AND that an extremely complex intelligence existed than to believe that inorganic material became organic material through completely natural processes.

Both science and religion are claiming the same thing, but religions explanation A. is not an explanation at all as it gives us no new information as to the specific processes by which God did this, and B. is inherently less logical then the scientific explanation as it essentially IS the scientific explanation, but with a whack of supernatural presupposition thrown on top.