OCD is destroying my faith... HELP!

[raven1]

I feel like I am going Athiest to worried one. All I want is to believe again so I dont go to hell I know it isn't the best reason. I am sorry you are struggling and I can't help you.

 

[TheWorriedOne]

Exactly how I feel Raven like I get so tired from this I think "just give up" but I can't I mean it's better to have something to depend on when you die than nothing at all and with Atheism there's always that big what if. But with all the things have been happening to me in my previous post it's just very hard to believe. I mean I pray all the time and nothing works...

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Well we're all plagued with A-(THE)-ISM by nature. So just ask GOD to Crucify that iiiiii memememe nature within you BY HIS SPIRIT. i do,and in time GOD WORKS OUT THE MIRACLES AND REALITY OF THOSE PRAYERS IN BEAUTIFULLY MYSTERIOUS WAYS. SO THAT i NO LONGER IDENTIFY 'myself',AS ALIVE;BUT "DEAD",AND CHRIST AS LIVING IN me THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE:

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
i PRAY HOLY SPIRIT YOU GIVE UNTO THEM THE REVELATION OF THIS GREAT MYSTERY DEEP WITHIN their spirit's! IN CHRIST...AMEN


Blessings...
SC

 

[raven1]

I want ultimate proof but that's not faith. Some people say I am still going to heaven some say I am not so how can I know. I have been in this struggle going on two years in May. I believe this is real doubt not fake doubt OCD because I feel like I doubt because I can't find evidence enough or won't accept. I think people with OCD really do believe there mind just tricks them into thinking they don't believe. I think they are forgivable but mine is real I don't think I am. How long have you struggled? I actually feel good feelings when I read athiest stuff?!?! The only thing that gives me hope of a heaven is near death experiences but I tear those apart thinking astronauts and people on ketamine see dead relatives. I want my old faith back. God is supposed to be the giver of faith so why the struggle. I fear death because I feel I either have hell or darkness to look forward to. If this is not OCD doubt and there is no way to know I am doomed and I fear even more my time is short in case 2012 is the end. This is a nightmare.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

I mean I pray all the time and nothing works...

LORD PLEASE GIVE THIS BROTHER THE "FAITH" OF A MUSTARD SEED,SO THAT he CAN "BELIEVE" YOU HEAR ALL THE TIME,AND WILL ANSWER HIS HEART'S CRY UNTO THEE! i BESEECH THEE LORD,THAT YOU HELP THIS YOUR CHILD,AND DO HIM GOOD! ABBA FATHER...i aint joking around with YOU,DON'T LET me HAVE TO WRESTLE YOU LIKE JACOB,AND DEMAND YOU BLESS THESE CHILDREN OF YOURS,JUST AS YOU ALWAYS DO FOR me PLEASE ALSO DO THE SAME THING FOR THEM...AMEN

Php 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
Php 4:20 Now unto God and our Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen.


Blessings...
SC

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

I want ultimate proof but that's not faith. Some people say I am still going to heaven some say I am not so how can I know. I have been in this struggle going on two years in May. I believe this is real doubt not fake doubt OCD because I feel like I doubt because I can't find evidence enough or won't accept. I think people with OCD really do believe there mind just tricks them into thinking they don't believe. I think they are forgivable but mine is real I don't think I am. How long have you struggled?

Well why dont you ask GOD TO REVEAL HIMSELF TOO you in a Mighty Way. So that you will know that HE IS,AND HE IS FOR you?? And wait patiently for HIM TO DO JUST THAT.
Isa 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Psa_27:14 Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.
Psa_37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.


Blessings...
SC

 

[raven1]

Isn't that the same as asking for a sign? Isn't that a sin? Someone please help me and worried one. SC you live near me!

 

[TheWorriedOne]

Hey guys I've been feeling somewhat better today but I'm still a little confused or something my thoughts have been rare but I just feel like a nonbeliever and extremely distant from God. You said you're belief in God isn't based on feeling then what is it based on. I want a relationship with God I just need these questioning and doubts to go away and it would be a WHOLE lot easier.

 

[Christian-Catholic]

Hey guys I've been feeling somewhat better today but I'm still a little confused or something my thoughts have been rare but I just feel like a nonbeliever and extremely distant from God. You said you're belief in God isn't based on feeling then what is it based on. I want a relationship with God I just need these questioning and doubts to go away and it would be a WHOLE lot easier.

Its based on an act of the will, and your will screams GOD
I know exactly what your going through, as your describing my situation perfectly to me. Trust me that relationship with God is so strong right now, but dont you worry, over time even the feelings of consolation will also come back. God will never loosen his grip on you. He has you in his grasp at all times , even when U dont feel that grasp at times. Jesus is more powerfull then our fickle feelings and these ocd thoughts. He is the allmight, the everlasting Father, Emmanuelle.

 

[Christian-Catholic]

I want ultimate proof but that's not faith. Some people say I am still going to heaven some say I am not so how can I know. I have been in this struggle going on two years in May. I believe this is real doubt not fake doubt OCD because I feel like I doubt because I can't find evidence enough or won't accept. I think people with OCD really do believe there mind just tricks them into thinking they don't believe. I think they are forgivable but mine is real I don't think I am. How long have you struggled? I actually feel good feelings when I read athiest stuff?!?! The only thing that gives me hope of a heaven is near death experiences but I tear those apart thinking astronauts and people on ketamine see dead relatives. I want my old faith back. God is supposed to be the giver of faith so why the struggle. I fear death because I feel I either have hell or darkness to look forward to. If this is not OCD doubt and there is no way to know I am doomed and I fear even more my time is short in case 2012 is the end. This is a nightmare.

Raven, I went through it all, and I did all the reassurances back and forth. This is exactly what the ocd wants us to do. The first thing you need to do is stop reading the atheist stuff. Atheists will hold onto their dogmatic beliefs even if the evidence points against them.

As far as near death experiences, you cant tear down veridical near death experiences. These are where the patient is dead as far as brain activity and heart activity, cant see or hear and yet they leave their bodies and see things that are even outside the view of their sight or hearing senses.
Pam reynolds was at this stage when she she witnessed most of her own operation from above the operating room and when her condition got worse she entered a vortex and was near the presence of a light. She could see her relatives and asked if the light was God and they told her that the light is the breath of God. When she came out of it she described the drilling tool that they used on her perfectly and the exact words that the nurses and doctors said during the operation. She had her eyes taped and her ears had a tool in them where it made a loud clicking mechanism.
She couldnt hear or see during the surgery. Can you tear that apart easily? I tried and I couldnt.
The shroud of turin is another one that when an atheist confronts it, suddenly the atheist turns his back on his beloved science and reason and starts giving loony conspiracy theories that have allready been debunked.

Raven, your thoughts are 100% ocd, I went through the same exact thoughts, and I had to have 100% absolute reassurance at every moment.
Right now for u and worried one, its extremely hard to be able to tell the difference between your thoughts or the ocd thoughts. Its almost like they are mirror images of each other, but one day after alot of therapy and meds, just a tiny bit of teh fog will clear and that tiny bit of light will show through and that will be the little light that u will build on.

Trust I know exactlyyyyyy what your thinking right now. As I am posting to you , your probably thinking (it cant be, this guy is full of it, and your anti Gods existence thoughts will spike again, or u will have reversal of feeling good when reading atheistic stuff. This is the ocd grabbing onto anything to keep you going in a circle.

Raven, im not telling you that your saved to make u feel better or feel good. IM telling you that your saved based on Our Allmighty Lords personality, his traits. Remember Jesus could have come and enforced the old testament laws absolutely on his people, but he came to not only fullfill the laws, but to fullfill them with absolute love and heart.

THIS IS HOW I KNOW BOTH OF YOU ARE SAVED,

AND ITS BIBLICAL, not my opinion

 

[raven1]

I don't get the whole faith is based on action not feeling. In the bible it says we must believe which is a feeling. On top of that there is no scientific test that proves that my doubt Gos exists is caused by OCD. I even connect with atheists and truly thank things say about God that are bad is funny.


With near death stuff even what you are talking about I am skeptical about what's after that and how do I know they are all telling the truth. I have become such a skeptic but I have hard time putting a sad face it's like part of me likes the skeptical athiestic part.

 

[Christian-Catholic]

I don't get the whole faith is based on action not feeling. In the bible it says we must believe which is a feeling. On top of that there is no scientific test that proves that my doubt Gos exists is caused by OCD. I even connect with atheists and truly thank things say about God that are bad is funny.


With near death stuff even what you are talking about I am skeptical about what's after that and how do I know they are all telling the truth. I have become such a skeptic but I have hard time putting a sad face it's like part of me likes the skeptical athiestic part.

Raven,ask yourself this. Does it make sense to like being an atheist or skeptic? To me it makes no sense at all, and this is why u must use this rationale to determine that these arent truely your thoughts. The reason Why atheism makes no sense at all to me is that for 1, They are defending a worldview that has no meaning or purpose. We are hardwired to understand certain meanings and morals intrinsically. Atheism has no proof and yet atheists keep dogmatically defending a worldview that has no ultimate purpose and no proof to sustain itself. There is a pattern in ocd thoughts. The pattern is they make you keep thinking those thoughts and arguments over and over in your head. Next time you find yourself liking the skeptical atheist part, ask yourself "does it make sense to like a worldview that makes no sense or meaning at all"?

The greatest atheist of the last 50 years of the 20th century was doctor antony flew. He was a hero to all rational atheists. With Flew you could tell that he still a very nice guy who didnt really put others down like the atheists of today. In the early 2000's he started wavering in his atheistic faith, and in 2004 he announced that atheism is a position he could no longer intellectually believe. HE became a deist just on the scientific discoveries of the fine tuning of the universe and the human cell, and dna.

He was so close to becoming a christian. If you look at his videos you will see why he didnt become a christian. You could see in his video interview that he was very frightened of LIVING FOREVER. LOOOOOOL
He was scared that he would get massively bored in the afterlife. Ask yourself "does this make sense " If he just trusted Jesus a bit more he would have known that Our God isnt someone that is going to take you to live eternally with him just to get bored.

Raven, your pattern of thought is classic PURE O OCD, its the constant focus on the same thoughts that gives it away. Liek I said, you cant see it but everyone outside of you could.

Whenm I go through these thoughts , they also feel real to me and it feels like im just pretending to push myself to deny them. This is how devious and tricky they are.

Look at your answer to me. First I told you that there is proof that peoples souls survive when they are dead, then I said that as the persons bodily conditions get worse, they seem to slip into a tunnel. It makes perfect sense to correlate the 2 things together. Another thing I forgot to tell you is that Blind people have also had the same veridical type nde's as people who could see. You cannot explain these things in an atheistic worldview. This is how I know these thoughst of urs are OCD

The way to start coming back into the spirit is to say, I will trust you Lord even though my mind is trying to convince I that I shouldnt even believe that you exist. I will trust in you even in darkness. Raven it will take time, counseling and medication, but you will eventually have some good days.

Just ask yourself one honest question? Is this all worth it if in the end I am saved ? You are saved by the lords mercy, by the lords heart by what the lord did for you on the cross.

 

[raven1]

I dont want to be atheists but how do I know we do see some stuff at death then just it all goes black. I tear every evidence down through and athiestic view point then I feel a happy smarbutt feeling then I freak I am not saved. I don't under stand what your saying about that being irrationale we cant prove God exists but if we could yes it would be irrationAl take combined with the fact I cannot PROVE this is OCD there is no way to know I am saved.

 

[TheWorriedOne]

I'm really scared because my symptoms weren't to bad this morning and then I started to think of the unpardonable sin and how Jesus said He couldn't be Satan because he would be working against himself then I thought what if Jesus was and was lying I hate myself for thinkIng that am I going to hell now?

 

[strelok0017]

I guess a condition like that is hard to have. I'm gonna say a little about the issue I'm facing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I have that thing at all. I don't, I'm just a weird type of person. Often, when I'm home alone, praying or reading the Bible I get all sorts of thoughts about my past. It's like a constant battle and often it makes it hard for me to say with 100 percent that I'm saved. I'm slowly learning not to rely on my feelings but it is going to be hard. It used to be problematic when I woke up in the morning with all sorts of images of my old life, before I became a Christian, in my head. Sometimes I even question my devotion to Christ because of the lack of feelings, which is unfortunately, relatively frequent. I also find it extremely hard to empathize with others about their pain, which later makes me feel extremely guilty because I'll probably never be able to help anyone. I tried not letting people see this emptiness in me, but sometimes it just acts on it's own will, like a black hole. With a reversed polarity. Instead of attracting it repulses everyone away from me. Even people who see me for the first time. On the other hand it all might be just my imagination but my thought pattern in my weak moments, my dream pattern and other experiences say otherwise. Dream's aren't that important but I see a pattern in mine. Also, why does it always happen that when I really pray with my whole heart that God would incline my heart to Him and to be faithful and obedient, why does it always happen that I start thinking about my past instead of future with Christ? Mostly it lasts short and doesn't come first. It comes after I get really excited about God. But it's very troubling. Also, I've been told by people in my life a hundred times that I'm very insecure...
I'm hoping that God helps me fix this but I can't help it but notice that the darkness is sometimes overshadowing everything. It might be just me tho.

God bless everyone!

 

[redblue22]

I think it is ok to ask questions and face doubts. It can be frightening to face these thoughts. It can be scary to realize that you can choose to believe something else if you want to.

I find some of the things being said to be fairly interesting.

Generally, if you have two positions then both should have to give reasons and evidence for their position. After taking into account the reasons, one picks the stronger case. From what I've been reading it sounds more like Christianity has to give reasons, but atheism only has to ask questions. The ability to question does not count as evidence for a position.

You desire proof, but then you say if Christianity is proved, then it isn't faith. This is a rather strange belief a lot of people buy into. Perhaps you might try the word "trust" in place of "faith." I have trust in some people because I have good reasons to trust them. Does that mean I don't really trust them if I have good reasons for why I have chosen to trust them?

The other thing I suspect that is going on is an error in the level you require for evidence. Lets say there are two options A and B. Let's say the evidence shows A is 90% likely, and B is 10% likely. What would you choose? Follow me on this. What would you think if I said that I refuse to believe A unless you give me 100% undeniable evidence?

If you have such great reason to believe atheism, then spill it. If Christianity is false, then I want to know it. We'll become atheists together if atheism has the stronger argument.

 

[strelok0017]

Well, to all that doubt, Jesus will keep us. Doubts and temptations have to come.

 

[raven1]

You can't trust if you doubt that is like putting two repelling magnets together and it says in the bible you have to believe aka trust.

 

[kodadog1024]

Can you see oxygen floating right in front of your face? or a bright shining star on the other side of the solar system with YOUR own eyes? I don't think so. But you know it's there right? .... If you lived 1500 years ago you probably would have believed that the earth was flat too, because MOST people said it was. But there were a few who beg to differ, set out on a course and proved to the WORLD they were wrong. Can you see God/Christ? I would bet my LIFE that He exists. Instead of focusing on your doubt Raven, maybe you should turn to something else?.... Other than not wanting to go to Hell, what do you want from life? Do you want to know Christ and start a relationship with Him? This is a "yes" or "No" question btw.

 

[kodadog1024]

You can't trust if you doubt that is like putting two repelling magnets together and it says in the bible you have to believe aka trust.

But, do YOU want to believe, that is the question. God is NOT going to force His love on you. He's NOT going to make you His puppet/robot. YOU alone have to want to love Him and He will never force it on you. Do you want to believe in Him? Yes or No....