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well ... I wouldn't necessarily say they are lying .... lying is deliberate ... rather I would say they misunderstand some things.


There is nothing NEW here:
Throughout the history of the church, from the time of John
the Baptist until today, there have been TWO (2) major gospels.


(1) The True Gospel that teaches NO MAN will seek God, no, not
even one [Rom 3:10-12] That ALL MEN are born spiritually DEAD
and are not able to do anything... they are all headed to hell. So,
God "chooses" or "elects" certain people before the foundation of
the world (not on any "works" they will do, but ONLY on His Good
Pleasure)
and, sometime during that person's life, God "draws"
them to Jesus... and they are saved. This is the narrow way.


(2) The false "works gospel" teaches that men are NOT born
spiritually DEAD... they have just enough life in them to be able
to do some works (as listed before) in order to save themselves.
This "works gospel" teaches that MAN is sovereign in salvation
that MAN initiates the salvation process by doing some "work"
and then God is OBLIGATED to save that person. This is the
BROAD WAY that leads Christians to eternal destruction.


You preach the "BOASTER'S GOSPEL" that teaches that men
are NOT born spiritually dead, they have enough life to do some
good "work" to save themselves. You preach that men can have
"faith" (when the Bible insists faith is a GIFT OF GOD) and you say
that after men decide to have "faith"... then God will SEE that good
"work" that man has done and God is OBLIGATED to save the man.
Your gospel pretends MAN is sovereign and MAN initiates salvation.
That is why your "works" gospel is called a "BOASTER'S GOSPEL"


Eph 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that [faith is] NOT of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.


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And they proceed to tell you that you might be one who God chose to burn in hell, as this would explain why you are not already saved and are in your 30's.
LOOK AGAIN.


How (intentionally) deceptive can you get?


You already KNOW that is NOT the theology of Reformed Christians.
God does not "chose" people to burn in hell... that is a LIE by you.


Instead, ALL MEN are born spiritually DEAD and headed for hell.
So God "chooses" or "elects", before the foundation of the world
those who He will save (not based on any good or evil they will do,
but based ONLY on His Good Pleasure)
. And He saves those elect.


So EVERY TIME that you PRETEND that God "chooses" people to
burn in hell you are (a) intentionally LYING and (b) showing that
you DENY the Biblical teaching that all men are born DEAD.


There is nothing NEW here:
Throughout the history of the church, from the time of John
the Baptist until today, there have been TWO (2) major gospels.


(1) The True Gospel that teaches NO MAN will seek God, no, not
even one [Rom 3:10-12] That ALL MEN are born spiritually DEAD
and are not able to do anything... they are all headed to hell. So,
God "chooses" or "elects" certain people before the foundation of
the world (not on any "works" they will do, but ONLY on His Good
Pleasure)
and, sometime during that person's life, God "draws"
them to Jesus... and they are saved. This is the narrow way.


(2) The false "works gospel" teaches that men are NOT born
spiritually DEAD... they have just enough life in them to be able
to do some works (as listed before) in order to save themselves.
This "works gospel" teaches that MAN is sovereign in salvation
that MAN initiates the salvation process by doing some "work"
and then God is OBLIGATED to save that person. This is the
BROAD WAY that leads Christians to eternal destruction.


You preach the "BOASTER'S GOSPEL" that teaches that men
are NOT born spiritually dead, they have enough life to do some
good "work" to save themselves. You preach that men can have
"faith" (when the Bible insists faith is a GIFT OF GOD) and you say
that after men decide to have "faith"... then God will SEE that good
"work" that man has done and God is OBLIGATED to save the man.
Your gospel pretends MAN is sovereign and MAN initiates salvation.
That is why your "works" gospel is called a "BOASTER'S GOSPEL"


Eph 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that [faith is] NOT of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.


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"God ordained (caused) all the EVIL in the world".
That is what they will teach in PULIC, in CHURCH...
They accuse GOD of doing the Devil's work.


Again you LIE.
That is NOT what they teach.
And you know that... and yet you continue to LIE.
Is that the "fruit" of a saved "wheat" or unsaved "tare"?


There is nothing NEW here:
Throughout the history of the church, from the time of John
the Baptist until today, there have been TWO (2) major gospels.


(1) The True Gospel that teaches NO MAN will seek God, no, not
even one [Rom 3:10-12] That ALL MEN are born spiritually DEAD
and are not able to do anything... they are all headed to hell. So,
God "chooses" or "elects" certain people before the foundation of
the world (not on any "works" they will do, but ONLY on His Good
Pleasure)
and, sometime during that person's life, God "draws"
them to Jesus... and they are saved. This is the narrow way.


(2) The false "works gospel" teaches that men are NOT born
spiritually DEAD... they have just enough life in them to be able
to do some works (as listed before) in order to save themselves.
This "works gospel" teaches that MAN is sovereign in salvation
that MAN initiates the salvation process by doing some "work"
and then God is OBLIGATED to save that person. This is the
BROAD WAY that leads Christians to eternal destruction.


You preach the "BOASTER'S GOSPEL" that teaches that men
are NOT born spiritually dead, they have enough life to do some
good "work" to save themselves. You preach that men can have
"faith" (when the Bible insists faith is a GIFT OF GOD) and you say
that after men decide to have "faith"... then God will SEE that good
"work" that man has done and God is OBLIGATED to save the man.
Your gospel pretends MAN is sovereign and MAN initiates salvation.
That is why your "works" gospel is called a "BOASTER'S GOSPEL"


Eph 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that [faith is] NOT of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.


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Hell is more full today then it was yesterday, because deceived people went there this morning, and there will be more of the deceived found there in the next few seconds..


You are hilarious.
Do you ACTUALLY believe that God is not in control?
Do you ACTUALLY believe there are people in hell that
God "elected" or "chose" to save?

You are really a very confused fellow with NO RESPECT
for the Providence of God... in fact, do you even know what
the Providence of God is? It certainly does not seem like it from
your comments.

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you have not much experience with dealing with Heretics. And you have apparently none with dealing with the "pre-destined" elect Group. What i do, is try to protect new believers from them....as that is possible to do and so very very needful.


Just hilarious stuff buddy.
You try your best to make sure the Providence of God works...
How very noble of you. I am sure God could not be in control
without all your help.


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There is nothing NEW here:
Throughout the history of the church, from the time of John
the Baptist until today, there have been TWO (2) major gospels.


(1) The True Gospel that teaches NO MAN will seek God, no, not
even one [Rom 3:10-12] That ALL MEN are born spiritually DEAD
and are not able to do anything... they are all headed to hell. So,
God "chooses" or "elects" certain people before the foundation of
the world (not on any "works" they will do, but ONLY on His Good
Pleasure)
and, sometime during that person's life, God "draws"
them to Jesus... and they are saved. This is the narrow way.


(2) The false "works gospel" teaches that men are NOT born
spiritually DEAD... they have just enough life in them to be able
to do some works (as listed before) in order to save themselves.
This "works gospel" teaches that MAN is sovereign in salvation
that MAN initiates the salvation process by doing some "work"
and then God is OBLIGATED to save that person. This is the
BROAD WAY that leads Christians to eternal destruction.


You preach the "BOASTER'S GOSPEL" that teaches that men
are NOT born spiritually dead, they have enough life to do some
good "work" to save themselves. You preach that men can have
"faith" (when the Bible insists faith is a GIFT OF GOD) and you say
that after men decide to have "faith"... then God will SEE that good
"work" that man has done and God is OBLIGATED to save the man.
Your gospel pretends MAN is sovereign and MAN initiates salvation.
That is why your "works" gospel is called a "BOASTER'S GOSPEL"


Eph 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that [faith is] NOT of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.



.
There is nothing NEW here:
Throughout the history of the church, from the time of John
the Baptist until today, there have been TWO (2) major gospels.


(1) The True Gospel that teaches NO MAN will seek God, no, not
even one [Rom 3:10-12] That ALL MEN are born spiritually DEAD
and are not able to do anything... they are all headed to hell. So,
God "chooses" or "elects" certain people before the foundation of
the world (not on any "works" they will do, but ONLY on His Good
Pleasure)
and, sometime during that person's life, God "draws"
them to Jesus... and they are saved. This is the narrow way.


(2) The false "works gospel" teaches that men are NOT born
spiritually DEAD... they have just enough life in them to be able
to do some works (as listed before) in order to save themselves.
This "works gospel" teaches that MAN is sovereign in salvation
that MAN initiates the salvation process by doing some "work"
and then God is OBLIGATED to save that person. This is the
BROAD WAY that leads Christians to eternal destruction.


You preach the "BOASTER'S GOSPEL" that teaches that men
are NOT born spiritually dead, they have enough life to do some
good "work" to save themselves. You preach that men can have
"faith" (when the Bible insists faith is a GIFT OF GOD) and you say
that after men decide to have "faith"... then God will SEE that good
"work" that man has done and God is OBLIGATED to save the man.
Your gospel pretends MAN is sovereign and MAN initiates salvation.
That is why your "works" gospel is called a "BOASTER'S GOSPEL"


Eph 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that [faith is] NOT of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.



.
Your gospel pretends MAN is sovereign and MAN initiates salvation.

You are not paying attention to what I am saying .... I am in no way defending the teaching of predestination .... what I am saying is .... there are people being mislead .... and calling them liars is not the way to approach them .... the way to approach them is by reasoning with the scriptures.

AGAIN ... how much clearer can I be >>>>>>>> I do not support the teaching of predestination .... so quit putting forth that I do ..... I DO NOT!
 
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You are hilarious.
Do you ACTUALLY believe that God is not in control?


God is not in control of your Free Will.
You are.


This is why a person end up in Hell. = John 3:36
It's their Free Will choice.
God honors your choice = in Eternity.
 
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You are not paying attention to what I am saying .... I am in no way defending the teaching of predestination NOT!


What a shame for you because JESUS taught "election" and
"predestination". So you are believing "another gospel" than
was taught by Jesus and the Apostles.


As a matter of fact, when the disciples realized that Jesus was
teaching salvation by "election" many abandoned Him.


Why in the world would anybody abandon the Son of God?
Because they (like most people today) did not want a Salvation
Plan were GOD is Sovereign and "elects" who He will save before
the foundation of the world (based ONLY on His Good Pleasure and
NOT on any good or evil that person would do)
. They did not want
to follow the narrow way to eternal life.


They abandoned Jesus because they (like most people today)
wanted a salvation plan where MAN is sovereign and where MAN
initiates salvation by performing some "work" and, therefore,
MAN controls when/where/how he becomes saved.


While the BIBLE teaches all men are born spiritually DEAD and
cannot make a move toward God (no, not even one - Rom 3)
MAN wants to pretend there is just enough life left in them that
they can do something to initiate their own salvation that is just
"another gospel" and the BROAD WAY leading to destruction.


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God is not in control of your Free Will. You are.


I understand that is what you believe... but that is not what
the Bible teaches. You preach "another gospel".


Now, don't get me wrong, you still have the "free will" to chose
whether to wear white socks or black socks, you still have the
"free will" to decide to eat pancakes or eggs. But you DON'T
have the ability to make a move toward God because you were
born spiritually DEAD and the Bible PROMISES that NO MAN,
no, not even one
... will ever seek God [Rom 3:10-12]


You see, you preach the BOASTER'S GOSPEL instead of the
Gospel of the Bible. The True Gospel teaches that ALL MEN
are born spiritually DEAD and the Bible PROMISES that NO MAN
can come to Christ unless the Father first "draws" them and
ALL MEN the Father draws "shall come" to Jesus and He will
lose NONE of "His sheep"... this is the narrow way to life.


You preach the BOASTER'S GOSPEL that teaches that men
are NOT born spiritually DEAD. You teach man has just enough
life left in them
to make a move toward God by doing some work
(believing or accepting or repenting or whatever) and that God
then SEES the good work of man and is OBLIGATED to save him.
This is the BROAD WAY that leads to destruction.


The Bible teaches that (after the Fall of man) their "free will" is to
always sin. We WANT to sin. We sin of our own "free will". And,
because of out fallen nature we are no more able to make a move
toward God than Lazarus was before Christ called him.


While the True Gospel says NO MAN will seek God.
The Boaster's Gospel says SOME MEN will seek God.


The True Gospel says GOD is Sovereign and initiates salvation.
The Boaster's Gospel is MAN is Sovereign and initiates the process.


One of these Gospels is the narrow way that leads to life.
One of these Gospels is the BROAD WAY leading to destruction.


The vast majority of Christians follow the Boaster Gospel.
The vast majority of Christians follow the BROAD WAY.


Because MANY are called ["called" by hearing the Gospel]
But FEW are chosen ["chosen" or "elected" to become saved]


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What a shame for you because JESUS taught "election" and
"predestination". So you are believing "another gospel" than
was taught by Jesus and the Apostles.


As a matter of fact, when the disciples realized that Jesus was
teaching salvation by "election" many abandoned Him.


Why in the world would anybody abandon the Son of God?
Because they (like most people today) did not want a Salvation
Plan were GOD is Sovereign and "elects" who He will save before
the foundation of the world (based ONLY on His Good Pleasure and
NOT on any good or evil that person would do)
. They did not want
to follow the narrow way to eternal life.


They abandoned Jesus because they (like most people today)
wanted a salvation plan where MAN is sovereign and where MAN
initiates salvation by performing some "work" and, therefore,
MAN controls when/where/how he becomes saved.


While the BIBLE teaches all men are born spiritually DEAD and
cannot make a move toward God (no, not even one - Rom 3)
MAN wants to pretend there is just enough life left in them that
they can do something to initiate their own salvation that is just
"another gospel" and the BROAD WAY leading to destruction.


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How do you know you are going to heaven?
 
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how did you receive the indwelling spirit?


God elected me before the foundation of the world, not because
of any good or evil I would do but only because of His Good Pleasure.
In my twenties God began to "draw" me to Christ. I began to read
the Bible and I realized how righteous God is and how depraved I was
and how much I deserved to go to Hell. I cried out for mercy and God
was merciful to me. I received the Holy Spirit when God gave it to me,
I cannot tell you the day or hour. Then began a process of sanctification that got to the point where I was walking with God (almost 50 years).


Next question?

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God elected me before the foundation of the world, not because
of any good or evil I would do but only because of His Good Pleasure.
In my twenties God began to "draw" me to Christ. I began to read
the Bible and I realized how righteous God is and how depraved I was
and how much I deserved to go to Hell. I cried out for mercy and God
was merciful to me. I received the Holy Spirit when God gave it to me,
I cannot tell you the day or hour. Then began a process of sanctification that got to the point where I was walking with God (almost 50 years).


Next question?

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If you were already "elected" then why does God need to draw you? Why does any kind of "process" need to take place if you were elected before the foundation of the world ... what makes you so special as compared to anyone else? Why does He find good pleasure in you as opposed to anyone else?
 
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If you were already "elected" then why does God need to draw you? Why does any kind of "process" need to take place if you were elected before the foundation of the world ... what makes you so special as compared to anyone else? Why does He find good pleasure in you as opposed to anyone else?


If I was elected before the foundation of the world, since I was
born spiritually dead, then I must be "drawn" at some point in
my life because dead men cannot make a move toward God.
Nothing makes me special. Since all men are born spiritually
dead (because of Adam's sin) God had to chose or elect
those He wanted to save out of the human race. We are
not selected because of any good or evil we do, but only
because of His Good Pleasure. This is because we have a
Sovereign God. If man could initiate his own salvation through
some work then God would be obligated to save him and that
would man man sovereign over God. I am sorry that anybody
has to go to hell but that is where EVERYBODY is destined since
we are all children of Adam. It is only by the mercy of God that
anyone is saved.

Jim
 
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If I was elected before the foundation of the world, since I was
born spiritually dead, then I must be "drawn" at some point in
my life because dead men cannot make a move toward God.
Nothing makes me special. Since all men are born spiritually
dead (because of Adam's sin)
If I was elected before the foundation of the world, since I was
born spiritually dead, then I must be "drawn" at some point in
my life because dead men cannot make a move toward God.
Nothing makes me special. Since all men are born spiritually
dead (because of Adam's sin) God had to chose or elect
those He wanted to save out of the human race. We are
not selected because of any good or evil we do, but only
because of His Good Pleasure. This is because we have a
Sovereign God. If man could initiate his own salvation through
some work then God would be obligated to save him and that
would man man sovereign over God. I am sorry that anybody
has to go to hell but that is where EVERYBODY is destined since
we are all children of Adam. It is only by the mercy of God that
anyone is saved.

Jim
We are
not selected because of any good or evil we do, but only
because of His Good Pleasure. This is because we have a
Sovereign God. If man could initiate his own salvation through
some work then God would be obligated to save him and that
would man man sovereign over God. I am sorry that anybody
has to go to hell but that is where EVERYBODY is destined since
we are all children of Adam. It is only by the mercy of God that
anyone is saved.

Jim
If I was elected before the foundation of the world, since I was
born spiritually dead, then I must be "drawn" at some point in
my life because dead men cannot make a move toward God.
Nothing makes me special. Since all men are born spiritually
dead (because of Adam's sin)
God had to chose or elect
those He wanted to save out of the human race.

. This is because we have a
Sovereign God. If man could initiate his own salvation through
some work then God would be obligated to save him and that
would man man sovereign over God. I am sorry that anybody
has to go to hell but that is where EVERYBODY is destined since
we are all children of Adam. It is only by the mercy of God that
anyone is saved.

Jim

God had to chose or elect
those He wanted to save out of the human race.

This seems like the mentality of Hitler or something and not a loving God.

We are
not selected because of any good or evil we do, but only
because of His Good Pleasure

What according to His Word (provide scripture) that defines His good pleasure.
 
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The doctrine
of election is NOT that God SENDS people to Hell... because, as
already explained above ALL MEN are born spiritually DEAD and,
therefore, are headed to hell. God has "chosen" certain people
to SAVE from hell. That is altogether different than you say.

Calvin misunderstood 1 Corinthians 2 so badly and it should’ve been very obvious since Paul said practically in the same breath that the Corinthians themselves are still carnal/fleshly and not spiritual men and yet the epistle is addressed “To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:2‬ ‭NASB‬‬
 
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If God’s election is true then...


1. According to John 3:18 why are we judged according to whether or not we believe if we are incapable of believing unless God has chosen us? Hence total depravity.


2. Wouldn’t that ultimately make God responsible for someone’s unbelief if He has not enabled them to believe?


3. Wouldn’t it be unjust for God to judge someone according to whether or not they believe if He has created them as being incapable of believing and has not enabled them to do so?

That would be like if God were to make a cat, then feed it, then command it to not poop otherwise it will be punished for all eternity.

4. Why did Jesus and the apostles tell people to believe if they are incapable of believing if they are not chosen by God and are incapable of failing to believe if they are chosen by God?


5. According to 1 Timothy 2:3-4 and 2 Peter 3:9 God wants everyone to repent and be saved and none to perish. So why would He only elect certain people to be saved and condemn all others giving them no chance for salvation since He has the power to save everyone as per irresistible grace?


6. According to John 3:16-17 God loved the world so much that He sent His Son so the world might be saved through Him, so why would Our loving God only elect certain people for salvation condemning all others?


7. If God’s election is true then eternal security must also be true because according to the doctrine of God’s elect they cannot be chosen and lose their salvation. So according to John 15:2 how can branches who are in Christ be cut off from the vine which is Christ?


8. Why did Jesus say to His 11 faithful apostles “abide in Me” even explaining to them the consequences of failing to abide which results in the loss of salvation if they are incapable of failing to abide?


9. In Ephesians 2 Paul is addressing children of God as so stated throughout the chapter, so why does he warn these same children of God in Ephesians 5:1-5 of living a sinful way of life that will result in them receiving the wrath of God on the sons of disobedience which results in them having no inheritance in the kingdom of God?


10. Romans 11:17-23 Paul warns the Gentiles who have been grafted in by God of being cut off for unbelief even saying they can be grafted back in if they repent. According to Calvin’s doctrine of total depravity a person is incapable of believing unless they are elected by God. According to Calvin’s doctrine of irresistible grace a person cannot resist God’s grace and election. So how can a person be grafted into the olive tree and later cut off for unbelief if they were incapable of believing to begin with unless they are elected by God and incapable of resisting grace and election?


11. Romans 6:15-16 How can those who are under grace (God’s elect) sin to the point of becoming slaves to satan resulting in death?


12. If they are incapable of sinning to the point of becoming slaves to satan resulting in death what is the purpose of Paul’s statement? Why would he say this if those who are under grace are incapable of becoming slaves to satan and why would he say this to anyone who is not elected by God if they are condemned because they are incapable of being slaves to God?


13. Why did Jesus say “when the Son of Man is lifted up He will draw all men to Himself”?


14. Why does Paul say in Colossians 1:23 that they must “continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel” in order to be presented Holy and blameless without reproach if they are already reconciled to God and are incapable of failing to continue in the faith?


“And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach- if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.”

Colossians 1:21-23 NASB


15. In Genesis 6:5-6 the scriptures say that God was grieved in His heart by the wickedness of man. Why would God be grieved in His heart if He knew that their wickedness was the result of His decision to not choose them for salvation and bestow grace upon them?


“Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.”

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6‬ ‭NASB‬‬


16. According to Romans 10:21 God has stretched out His hands to a disobedient obstinate people. Is God stretching out His hands to people He hasn’t elected knowing that they are in total depravity and are incapable of repentance? That wouldn’t make any sense unless they were capable of repenting but were choosing of their own free will to be stubborn. But according to the doctrine of irresistible grace a person cannot resist grace. So if Calvin was correct either these people have been elected by God and are resisting grace or they have not been elected by God and yet God is expecting them to repent while they are incapable of doing so. Either way Calvin’s doctrines aren’t making any sense here.


“But as for Israel He says, " ALL THE DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HANDS TO A DISOBEDIENT AND OBSTINATE PEOPLE."”

‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:21‬ ‭NASB‬‬


17. John 5:34


This next verse speaks for itself.


“Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.”

‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-35‬ ‭NASB‬‬
 
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God had to chose or elect those He wanted to save out of the human race.
This seems like the mentality of Hitler or something and not a loving God.

Read Romans 9


Rom 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)



Rom 9:14-16
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.



Rom 9:19-23
Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


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Calvin misunderstood 1 Corinthians 2 so badly and it should’ve been very obvious since Paul said practically in the same breath that the Corinthians themselves are still carnal/fleshly and not spiritual men and yet the epistle is addressed “To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:2‬ ‭NASB‬‬


I know nothing about Calvin so I certainly could not (or would
not even want to try to) defend something he said.

If you have a disagreement with something I SAID...
then we can talk.

Jim
 
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