Noah's Ark

[VirOptimus]

No, you prove I'm wrong.

I already have, your answer then was "magic".

 

[lesliedellow]

No, you prove I'm wrong.

I sure hope the engineer who designed any ship I was going to travel in would have done the mathematics.

 

[AV1611VET]

2. Invoking magic doesnt help your case.

It's certainly not helping yours, is it?

I'm not the one wondering when the Flood was, how the Ark survived it vis-à-vis the Wyoming (amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Wyoming), when the pyramids were built, and other questions, am I?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I was curious about this mystical "gopher" wood. There is no other use of this Hebrew word in the Bible and no one really knows what it means. It seems there is no real consensus. Depending on translation, some texts use "gopher" (don't translate the Hebrew), others use cypress or cypress, or even just "timber." One suggestion is that "gofer" is supposed to be "kofer" (apparently G and K are similar in Hebrew) meaning "pitched," i.e. wood covered in pitch to make it water tight.

Genesis 6:14 So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out.

Gopher wood - Wikipedia

No definitive wood type but it's use may give clues. Long, straight grained, easy to tool boards and timbers would be required for making the ark. Redwood or cedar would fill the bill. All species probably grew to great heights in the pre-flood world. Covering the interior with pitch is also telling. Some woods are quite 'aromatic', especially cedar, and such outgassing in a large structure may be dangerous and thus the inside sealing.

 

[AV1611VET]

I was curious about this mystical "gopher" wood.

It's a real doosey, ain't it?

Probably some tree that either went extinct, or God didn't recreate it after the Flood.

There is no other use of this Hebrew word in the Bible ...

Looks English to me.

... and no one really knows what it means.

Um ... it's a tree, for crying out loud.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I sure hope the engineer who designed any ship I was going to travel in would have done the mathematics.

Math isn't required for this particular topic.

 

[lesliedellow]

Math isn't required for this particular topic.

Oh yes it is.

 

[HitchSlap]

Can an axe head swim?

Can you give a pig a pancake?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The physical limitations of wood simply do not allow that. Wood flexes - a lot. The longer your structure, the more pressure on it, the more you flex. For example, the one of the longest boats with a wooden structure and keel was the Wyoming. It measured in at 329 feet, and even had steel bracing to try to overcome the flexing and physical limitations of wood. Because of the length, the planking seperated so much that it constantly leaked water, to the point that it required constant, 24 hour a day pumping to remove the water. It could only operate close to the coast in calm water - any large waves let alone storms and the planking would spring even further. At the sight of even a hint of bad weather, it was forced to head straight to port. It sunk when it was caught in a storm and it foundered and broke up. The common length given for Noah's ark is 450 feet. It simply could not structurally have floated - it would have broken up or filled with water within days if not minutes.

Apples and oranges comparison. The Wyoming was a ship built to carry cargo for profit, the ark was a 'floating warehouse' built to survive the flood. There is also no comparison between the water conditions acting on them. The Wyoming would be greatly affected by large waves where the ark floated so low in the water that such waves just rolled over the top of it. That's why there was only a very small window at the top of the ark. The Wyoming, like other ships, had to navigated often against waves and currents where the ark "went on" the flood, being carried along with, not against, those currents. I hope this helps.

 

[Goonie]

Can you give a pig a pancake?

Obviously yes, unlike a swimming axe head.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Oh yes it is.

Then you figure it out, I don't need to.

 

[GondwanaLand]

Where?

Try reading the thread. Here was how the posts went:

Evidence of flood two.

Please show how either of these are evidence of the Flood.

How did they get there, if the Flood was in 2348 BC?

Answer: there was no Flood in 2348 BC, nor ever. Not that hard.

No Egyptian pyramids in 2348 BC.

What does this assertion (false, by the way - the Fifth Dynasty of Egypt was going on straight through 2348 BC; and the pyramid of Djoser had already existed 300 or so years before that date, and the Great Pyramid complex had existed around 200 or so years before that date IIRC) have to do with the white cliffs of dover or incised meanders?

 

[lesliedellow]

Apples and oranges comparison. The Wyoming was a ship built to carry cargo for profit, the ark was a 'floating warehouse' built to survive the flood.

Its cargo is totally irrelevant as to whether or not it would have leaked like a seive.

 

[GondwanaLand]

Apples and oranges comparison. The Wyoming was a ship built to carry cargo for profit, the ark was a 'floating warehouse' built to survive the flood.

Being a "floating warehouse" does not magically allow it to overcome the physical and material limitations of wood. Nor does its cargo, whether it is "cargo for profit" or cargo of animals, magically allow it to overcome the physical and material limitations of wood.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you give a pig a pancake?

Stuff like this is why you don't understand how we think.

It's easier (and more fun) to ridicule than understand, isn't it?

 

[VirOptimus]

It's certainly not helping yours, is it?

I'm not the one wondering when the Flood was, how the Ark survived it vis-à-vis the Wyoming (amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Wyoming), when the pyramids were built, and other questions, am I?

I dont belive in magic.

I accept physical reality, all problem is in your assertions, not mine.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Being a "floating warehouse" does not magically allow it to overcome the physical and material limitations of wood. Nor does its cargo, whether it is "cargo for profit" or cargo of animals, magically allow it to overcome the physical and material limitations of wood.

The point of being built for 'profit' means that strength is compromised. The ark suffered no such limitations. You are conflating the limitations of wooden ships with a structure that bears no resemblance to a ship.

 

[AV1611VET]

Try reading the thread. Here was how the posts went:

I have no idea what you're seeing.

Q: When was the Flood?
A: 2348 BC

Q: Evidence?
A: White cliffs and meandering rivers.

Q: Pyramids existed during the Flood.
A: Not according to the Bible.

Now ... take it from there.

 

[AV1611VET]

Its cargo is totally irrelevant as to whether or not it would have leaked like a seive.

I can't remember if I asked you this or not: but do you think Jesus Christ was on the Ark, like He was in the furnace with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Its cargo is totally irrelevant as to whether or not it would have leaked like a seive.

"Leak like a sieve" isn't very technical. Don't you have some 'math' to support this contention?