Natural Immunity Versus Vaccine Immunity

[mindlight]

There are certain immunologists that disagree with this fact. That say the real gold standard is natural immunity and that that's the true science and always has been. And they're not saying people should purposely get sick but if one has had it than that natural immunity can sometimes last years whereas the vaccination's strengh is waning which is the reason for the boosters.

What does immunity mean? It means that your body is trained enough to defeat the virus. The guy in the below thread has had all the vaccines and been boosted and he got covid last year. He still got infected by Omicron but is likely to shrug it off because his body has had all the training it needs to break this virus.

Immunity does not mean you never get infected, whether by natural immunity or vaccination.

Omicron in Ohio...just tested positive. AMA (Ask Me Anything)

Also even if the vaccine is only just level pegging with a previous infection why would you take the risk of getting infected to find out if you are not one of those people this disease is going to kill. The vaccine does exactly the same thing as a previous infection in training your body's immune system but without all the pain and potential to pass it on to others.

Someone trusting to natural immunity alone is basically egotistical and selfish because they are not considering what the disease might do to others less fortunate than themselves.

 

[JulieB67]

What does immunity mean? It means that your body is trained enough to defeat the virus.

Exactly. And one of those points is, many aren't talking about those that are unvaccinated with no prior infection. They are talking about most of the people that have had Covid and survived (which is most) have better natural antibodies than some that are vaxxed. Especially those that had shots that only dealt with the spike protein. The vax strengh has waned and boosters are needed. The jury is still out on everyone's natural immunity. Some need boosters and some might not. So, no, it should still not be a one for all approach, especially dealing with people with prior infection. And some do not have a "super immunity" as advertised.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Immunity does not mean you never get infected, whether by natural immunity or vaccination.

You know what's interesting? This valid argument always gets ignored.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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On August 25, 2021, medRxiv published a “preprint” study by ten Israeli scientists, all associated with an Israeli research institute, Maccabitech, in Tel Aviv. Among the 10 are three MDs, three professors of epidemiology, two professors at the Tel Aviv University School of Public Health and an adjunct researcher at the Division of Cancer Epidemiology and Genetics at the National Institutes of Health in the United States. The study’s conclusion: “This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity …”

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A Rockefeller University study published on August 24, 2021, concluded, as the Israeli study did, that “a natural infection may induce maturation of antibodies with broader activity than a vaccine does.” The study immediately added that getting natural immunity entails contracting COVID-19, and “a natural infection can also kill you.” But that valid warning does not negate its conclusion in favor of natural immunity. Nor does the study warn that getting the vaccine may also induce harmful consequences. To its everlasting shame, that is a taboo subject in America’s medical community despite the fact that the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) website of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lists over 700,000 cases of suspected injury and more than 17,000 otherwise unexpected deaths temporally associated with COVID-19 vaccines.

"The Patriot Post" is not a credible news site imho.

You have to get Covid in order to get some natural immunity. For over 800,000, getting the virus killed them. Many others have long term heart and lung issues, or long term neurological issues. Some had to get lung transplants or lost a limb.

I would rather be vaccinated and be either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms if I get covid.

 

[DaveM]

Study Finds Natural Immunity Gives 6X Protection Versus Shots; 80% Less Severe Cases | Facts Matter

 

[FreeinChrist]

Study Finds Natural Immunity Gives 6X Protection Versus Shots; 80% Less Severe Cases | Facts Matter

But again, you have to have Covid to get the natural immunity. At least 800,000 in the US alone did not survive it and many more have on-going problems as a result.
5,373,527 died world wide from Covid.

 

[HannahT]

But again, you have to have Covid to get the natural immunity. At least 800,000 in the US alone did not survive it and many more have on-going problems as a result.
5,373,527 died world wide from Covid.

According to the NYT and other data sources:

50.8M had covid that were reported.
805K died

This was just USA.

How many of those 50M have natural immunity, and how can that adjust some of the 'get vaccinated/boosted' messaging. The messaging so far is awful, and causes war of rheortic/words between 2 camps. That's not helpful or resourceful. It just helps the divide which we were told was going to be cleared up by this administration. They need to be more careful.

What can we gain from watching/studying the natural immunity? Is there something there that can help the rest of us? Do they need shots to, or is that overkill?

We really don't have any answers to this, because only a handful of countries are bothering the study it. We have the resources, and yet they don't want to go there for the most part. That's stupid. It's their job to understand this so we are pretty prepared.

 

[FreeinChrist]

According to the NYT and other data sources:

50.8M had covid that were reported.
805K died

This was just USA.

How many of those 50M have natural immunity, and how can that adjust some of the 'get vaccinated/boosted' messaging. The messaging so far is awful, and causes war of rheortic/words between 2 camps. That's not helpful or resourceful. It just helps the divide which we were told was going to be cleared up by this administration. They need to be more careful.

What can we gain from watching/studying the natural immunity? Is there something there that can help the rest of us? Do they need shots to, or is that overkill?

We really don't have any answers to this, because only a handful of countries are bothering the study it. We have the resources, and yet they don't want to go there for the most part. That's stupid. It's their job to understand this so we are pretty prepared.

A basic point here is that you have to be exposed and get Covid in order to develop natural immunity.

For over 800,000 in the US alone, they died rather than develop the immunity. The virus won.

And yes, there are studies about those who survived Covid and have natural immunity get a big boost in antibodies when they get vaccinated. The problem I see is that folks are listening to all kinds of folks with or without expertise, with and agenda or political motivation or not.

 

[mindlight]

Study Finds Natural Immunity Gives 6X Protection Versus Shots; 80% Less Severe Cases | Facts Matter

This is based on the Israel study which is actually an outlier study with poor research methodology.

Also, it makes no sense. You do not know if you have natural immunity or not until you are exposed to the virus. Since 99% of people survive covid and about 90% without long term problems a great many people will be proven to have natural immunity. But you cannot know for sure if you are in this group or not and especially if you are overweight, have any underlying conditions, or are over 50.

Also, the vaccination is free, does not harm a healthy person at all, and does help train up your immune system.

People who argue against vaccination are like naturally fit athletes who refuse a little bit of extra training. The vaccine simply offers a little bit of extra training for these people. In the case of those who may think they are stronger than they actually are it may save their lives.

 

[Taodeching]

Last year, people decided to do "what's right for you"(this is a selfish sentence, the two words "for you" is the indicator), ie not wear a mask in public spaces when they should have and we wound up in the predicament we are in today.

'Agreed. Never thought in all my days that a Christian would sound like the world and say "do what you feel is right"

 

[HannahT]

And yes, there are studies about those who survived Covid and have natural immunity get a big boost in antibodies when they get vaccinated. The problem I see is that folks are listening to all kinds of folks with or without expertise, with and agenda or political motivation or not.

Sadly, then you have studies saying they don't need it - or shouldn't have additional shots. I'm assuming until the immunity status changes - if it does. Problem is our country isn't concentrating on this enough, and they need to in order to bring confidence back. This is what happens when you make a pandemic political. You can't put that genie back in the bottle.

The problem I see is all the mixed studies and medical points of view. Then the constant changes that get people confused. Then of course your point about agenda's. Some people are learning to live with the fact that Covid will be with us from here on out. Other's listen to Politian's telling us we are going lick it - and we aren't anytime soon if ever. Then you have others that try to scare the pants off people to the point of paranoia. Then of course you have the fruitless targeting of people due to different points of view.

 

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