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Mysteries within the Word of God

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by Hervey, Feb 11, 2002.

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  1. JohnR7

    JohnR7 Well-Known Member

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    I think Harvey you are getting the shaddows and types, mixed up with the real thing. Adam was made in the image of God, but he fell into sin. He was then no longer a image of God, but he was made into a image of the devil. Jesus said that those who do not belong to God have the devil for a father. (If a believer marries a non believer according to Billy Graham, you get the devil for a father in law)

    Jesus came to show us the way to once again be restored to Children of God. Not through positive thinking, but through the new birth. We are changed, we are transformed. We are like Adam was before the fall. We like Jesus have the mind of God, the divine thoughts of God, the Love of God, we are being transformed into being the "expressed image of God".

    He was made to be very man, so that we could be made to be all that He was, when He walked the earth.

    Hebrews 2:17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren,

    Jesus was not made to be like Adam after the fall. He was not made in the image of the devil. He was made to be like Adam before the fall, in the image of God. So that we also, could be restored and we also could once again become as Adam was, before Adam fell into sin and transgression. Thanks, JohnR7
     
  2. Hervey

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    John:

    You are so mixed up , you can not tell which is up and which is down.

    God created Man in his own image, and he made man in his own image. The image of God, and the image of man does not change !!!

    Adam was "never" made into the image of the devil !!!! Nowhere in the Word can you back up such a statement !!

    The first Man Adam was made and created in the image of God. That will "Never " change !!

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  3. Hervey

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    Numbers - what do they mean ?

    God is a God that changes not. That being true, His numbers do not change either. In fact, it is harder to change a number than it is to change a word, from within the Word.

    Can you imagine someone making a new translation, and saying that there were only 10 apostles of Jesus Christ ? How reliable would you make this translation , because you saw such an untruth ?

    Subtle as the adversary is, he is not stupid ! Change a few words here and there , that would be fine, and it would be subtle, and no one would notice, and his deceit would continue unrestricted. Change a number, and just about anyone would notice. Thus that would not be subtle enough and sly enough, so he, for the most part leaves numbers alone, in the Word of God.

    Like I said, he will change words and wording to make you think that only two were crucified with Jesus, when the truth is, that four were crucified with Christ. Three rebuked, two did not !

    God does not change ,and his numbers do not change either !

    How many named sons did Adam have ? How many named sons does God have ?

    If you say that there were three named sons of Adam , you would be correct !

    If you say that there is four , five or more named sons of God, in the Word you would be mistaken !

    If Adam had three, then so does God have three. And there is the balance ! A false balance is an abomination unto the Lord God !

    3 and 3 = balance

    Adam God
    1- Cain 1 - Adam
    2- Abel (slain) 2- Christ (slain)
    3- Seth - called sons of God 3- Last Adam (Christ
    Jesus) - called sons of
    God

    Perfect balance of three. The most three the least two.

    It is very difficult, without being subtle, for the adversary of God to change numbers ! That is why 99 % of all numbers in the Word , are the same , yesterday , today, and tomorrow !

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  4. LouisBooth

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    "The first Man Adam was made and created in the image of God. "

    Umm..I see a gnostic thought in there..its bad unbiblical stuff..and numerology is a bunch of hewy and not at all a "mystery" of God...You can do anything you want with numbers.
     
  5. Hervey

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    How many have thought about the number 7 ?

    A week is seven days long. It has a beginning and and ending. The Word uses days of the week with numbers. The first day of the week , or the third day of the week, is the way it is expressed within the Word of God.

    We read in Rev. 1:11 - "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.

    The first day is (1) and the last day is (7). So what comes after seven biblically ?

    On the seventh day in Genesis 2:2 - God rested from all his work which he had made. So what comes after 7 ?

    There are two days which the Lord God made as days of rest. The seventh day is the Lord's day of rest (Leviticus 23:3) , and the tenth day is man's day of rest.(Leviticus 16:29 - 31) These are called sabbath days.

    The feast of tabernacles took place on the fifteenth day of this seventh month. ( We call the seventh month July) And lasted 7 days. The first day was a day of rest, then for seven days an offering by fire was made unto the Lord. On the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you , and you were suppose to made an offering by fire unto the Lord, and do no servile work on the eighth day. So , the first day and the eighth day were days of rest. But lets add them up to get the full picture here ( 1st day - day of rest = 1, then for seven days offerings were made = 7 , and on the eighth day , which is the seventh day of the feast of tabernacles, is also a day of rest = ---- 1 + 7 = 8 full days ) Starting with the fifteenth day and add 8 days , it is now the 23th day of the month. ( Leviticus 23:33 - 38)

    Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month after gathering all the fruit of the land, God told them to keep a feast unto the Lord for seven days. On the first day shall be a sabbath , and on the eighth day a sabbath. Logic tells you that there is not eight days in seven days. The same rule applys here as above. The first day is the sabbath , then comes seven days , and the eighth is of the seven days, being a total of eight days. This feast would also end on the 23rd of the seventh month. ( Leviticus 23:39 - 44)

    Notice how seven is significant here, but also notice how eight is used pertaining to the seventh day also. Two days of rest, and two sabbath days - the 1st and the 8th were days of rest, and sabbath days.

    What comes after seven ? The answer is eight ! Not suprised ? But what is the eighth day ? The eighth day is another seven - days. In other words - Eight goes back to one for another seven.

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  6. Hervey

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    Throughout the Word of God, God holds His Word together with numbers.

    1- unit or unity
    2 - two or established
    3 - Complete - none other
    4 - world or worldly
    5 - God or grace
    6 - man - completeness
    7 - Spiritual - good or evil
    8 - A New Begining - which goes back to One - unit or unity

    I will deal with this more - soon !

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  7. LouisBooth

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    Hey did you know that if you start with A=100 B=101..if you add up all the letters in Hitler it comes out to 666..wow..he must be satan..;)
     
  8. Hervey

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    Hi all:

    Let me add, that none of the mysteries will "ever" contradict each other ! They do not change anywhere within the Word of God ! You can not "make" them fit ! They will either fit or they will not !

    The Mysteries within the Word are always consistent !

    In the Word, in dealing with the "earth", we find. The heaven and earth was created, then later in Revelation 21, God makes all things new. The New Heaven and New Earth is also called the third heaven, and the third earth is called "paradise" - II Corinth. 12:2 - 4.

    The third Heaven and earth are made New - not created, because they were already created in Genesis 1:1.

    But, there is no third Heaven and earth ! The usage of the word "third" here is a figure of speech. Because God is a God of two of everything.

    The first earth was created, and life was upon the first earth, because God is a God of all life. Lucifer, who is called Satan and the devil, spewed out of his mouth water to destroy this earth in order to go after the woman - Revelation 12:15

    This is the earth becoming void of life in Genesis 1:2 because of this water.

    What we see from there is God "replenishing" the first earth, and by doing this . This replenished earth is the second earth, which is the first earth renewed. The third earth will not become new, until this earth is destroyed by God, by fire and brimstone.

    The replenishing is noticed in a couple of ways , here in Genesis chapter one. In Genesis 1:28 God tells man to "replenish" the earth. Also, God does not need to create that which he already created. An example of this is by seeing the words that are used by God in this replenishing of the first earth, which now becomes the second earth, which is the first earth renewed. By looking at Genesis 1:3 , 6 , 9 , 11 , 14 , 15 , 20 , 24 , 26. these 8 verses all use the word - "let" . That is because this word is used to indicate that God, did not have to create those things which he said "let" too. Like - "Let the earth". That is because the earth had already been created, and did not need to be created again.

    Both the third Heaven and earth are both the second Heaven and earth, because the second Heaven and Earth, are the first Heaven and Earth, renewed ! The "NEW" Heaven and earth, are totally New, and not renewed !

    The most three, the least two, "Always" means you will end up with only "Two" !

    The numbers in the Word of God will never contradict this truth about God being a God of two of everything !

    More later.

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  9. LouisBooth

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    Just wondering if you noticed you and I are the only ones talking ;)
     
  10. Hervey

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    I noticed, that I am the only one saying something ! :p



    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  11. Hervey

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    42 generations :




    Luke is the "geneology" line "of" Joseph the husband of Mary. Heli is the seed father of Joseph. Joseph was the "son" of Heli !

    Matthew is a "generation" line , and not a geneology line ! Got it now ?

    In Matthew there are 42 "generations" - The most three the least two

    14 = two sevens
    14 = two sevens
    14 = two sevens

    There are two Joseph's one is the "Father" and the other is the "step father"

    One is the "Father" of Mary in order that Jesus Christ "can" be of the lineage of King David through Solomon. <- The King line! ( Acts 2:30 ) . This would be in Matthew.

    The "adoptive" father line , is in Luke.

    Notice: Two

    1 - Father line

    2 - Adoptive father lineage

    The word "husband" in Matthew was translated incorrectly, for two reasons !!

    1st - In order for Jesus to come in the flesh line of King David, he had to be born of a woman of that line !

    2nd - Generations are not geneologies, and there are 42 generations in Matthew. And Mary is among the 42 generations ! She is number 41 and Christ is number 42.

    The Greek word for husband in verse 16 is "aner" which can be translated "man". And should have !

    Add it up !!

    If Joseph is left here in Matthew chapter one as the husband of Mary, then there would only be 41 generations ! But if you translate the word husband, and correctly change it to "man" - meaning father in the generation line, "then" Joseph becomes the 40th generation and Mary the 41st generation and Christ the 42nd generation ! If you do not do this change, then you will only end up with 41 generations , and that is just not going to bring you to accuracy (Truth) of the Word of God ! You have got to come up with 42 generations ! ! Or else the Word of God would fall apart, because we would have discovered a flaw. But , the problem comes from the translators, who translated "aner" husband, when they should have translated this Greek word - "Man" of Mary, which makes him her father.

    There are "Two" Joseph's, which are "Two" fathers ! !

    1- Father of Mary ( Matthew )
    2 - Adoptive father of Jesus Christ ( Luke )

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  12. LouisBooth

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    Oh, I"m saying stuff..you're just talking and not making any sence and I am commenting on it. Numbers can mean whatever you want them to. Take a busn stats class and you will find that out. Did ya know that if you take 11 * 11=121 which adds up to be 8 which if you subtract 3 from (the number of groups of letters) you get 5 which is half of 10 which if you take 3 times it you get 30(orginal 8 is 3 above current number 5) which is only 1 less then the number of days in decemeber and that one means the world will end on the "one" day...wow...the colors.. hahaha..numberology is a bunch of junk.
     
  13. Hervey

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    Louis

    If you had something to contribute, then there could be a conversation between each of us. But when all you do is make fun of what God has put into his Word. You are not laughing at me, but at God !

    I can not make what God has put into His Word work toward any of my own advantages ! They either work or they do not ! And if you can not understand simple math, then why are you trying to make such redundant conversation to begin with ?

    IN Christ - Hervey
     
  14. LouisBooth

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    "You are not laughing at me, but at God ! "

    No..I'm laughing at your attempt to maniuplate numbers to put in something that is not in the bible..."col 2:8 "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philoosphy, which depends on human tradition and the basic priniciples of this world rather then on christ

    Also see titus 3:9 :) Don't go putting things in the bible, its not wise :) Numeriology is no way to interprete God's word.
     
  15. Hervey

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    Louis:

    You need to read your bible ! :wave:

    Romans 1:20 - "For the invisible things of him (God) from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made , even his eternal power and Godhead ; so that they are without excuse :" :clap: :idea:

    Did God make man both male and female ? :saint:

    Did God make two great lights ? :)

    Was there not four crucified with Christ ? Three railed on him , while only one of the malefactors did not, and rebuked those who did. And Jesus Christ did not revial back ? :) The most three , the lest two ! - Right ? ;)

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  16. LouisBooth

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    *sigh* that verse is not talking about what you are implying. Numeriology is very much NOT of the bible. *sigh* You're just plain wrong. let me site bible verses as you do.."and judus went and hanged himself. "

    "now go and do likewise." wow..you're really up a creek without a paddle now....
     
  17. Hervey

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    Louis:

    Don't look in a mirror, you just might see the image of God !

    Two arms , two legs, two ears, etc, etc, etc etc. Even your two hands are mirror images of each other. Your body is in perfect balance.

    There is now only one question -- What do you see when you look in a mirror ? The image of God, or not ? :hug:

    :clap:

    :holy:

    :p

    :D

    :scratch:

    :kiss:

    :wave:

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  18. Catchup

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    What are you smoking? :rolleyes:
    Your brains is turning but all your succeeding in doing is making yourself dizzy. It is not our task to figure out God. That would be an impossibility. The mysteries of God are incomprehensible for human intellect.

    You are right though... You have been blessed with the answers that you need. Now you must open your eyes to see. Keep it simple... Learn to LOVE. For to survive this lifetime and whatever follows... all that is needed is .... Faith and Trust in God.

    Now to play the numbers game with you...

    God is ONE... but within that one exist everyone and everything.

    ;) LOVE
     
  19. Hervey

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    Catchup:

    I have already quoted Romans 1:20 more than once. And now you say the exact opposite of what this verse is saying ! Shame on you ! :(

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  20. goodnewsinc

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    http://www.saviorofall.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=319&forum=DCForumID38


    "There are Mysteries Revealed!"

    What has God revealed today that it "new"?
    Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and "sealed till the time of the end".

    Revelation 10:7 But "in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished", as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. 8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

    Isaiah 52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for "that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider".

    Isaiah 42:15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools. 16 And "I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight". These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

    NOW before you start attacking me (the messenger) again, notice who is DOING all this! Our Father said, "I will do" all these things. So do not get angry with me because He TELLS ME these things, (Psa 91:14-16) and I share them with you. Yes HE TELLS ME THESE THINGS AND I DO HEAR HIS VOICE ... even if revealing this to you offends your ego! I will not lie! Get angry with Him, because He does not speak to you that way ... if you are brave enough! Watch for goodnewsinc! Go to http:www.goodnewsinc.net We are just giving you "appetizers" now! Just WATCH!

    GOOD NEWS, Inc. :clap:
     
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