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Mysteries within the Word of God

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by Hervey, Feb 11, 2002.

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  1. Hervey

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    There are mysteries within the Word of God that never change. These Mysteries are what hold together the Word of God. Without these mysteries, the bible translations that you read, would be worthless ! As it is, some of the translations are just about worthless.

    The apostle Paul said that he was a minister of Christ, and stewards, of the mysteries of God - I Corinth. 4:1

    The reason Paul was a steward of the mysteries of God, is because behind these mysteries , is the hidden wisdom of God.

    I Corinth. 2:7 - "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory" ---- Romans 16:25 & 26 -- Ephesians 3:3

    This is the Mystery that God kept hidden , but now is revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets. This mystery was expounded upon throughout the seven Church epistles.

    The "mysteries" are within the Mystery. The "mysteries" are also used throughout God's Word ! They make up of the Word of God , and the Word of God takes on an excellence , upon which no other writtings take their standard of excellence from.

    God said, that he created "man" in his own image, back in Genesis 1:27. Male and female created he them.

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God - John 1:1

    When God created the first Man - Adam, Adam was the "image" of God, because that is how God created him.

    This "image" of the first Man, Adam, is where the "mysteries" of God can be found, and where they can be found within the writtings in the Word of God. Because, The Word was God, and God created Man in his own image.

    I would like to start with the first one >

    #1 - God is a God of two of everything --- And one is the literal, and the other is the figurative/ Spiritual.

    Example: The first Man - Adam, was the literal, and God himself was the Spiritual.

    1A - These two of everything, are mirror "images" of each other ! Which means - similar, but with reversals

    1B - One you can see with your literal eyes -- The first Man - Adam
    The other can only be seen, by looking at the literal, because on the physical realm, the Spiritual can not be seen.

    This is why Paul said in Romans 15:4 - "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning"

    Paul was "not' telling us to have head knowledge here in this verse !!

    Paul was expressing to us, to learn that which was written aforetime, because it is for our spiritual learning. In Romans 1:20 Paul had already told us - "For the invisible things of him (God) from the creation fo the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"

    Because God is a God of two of everything. If I were to ask, how many great lights did God make ? The answer is simple, even before you look it up to make sure that your answer is correct - ( 2 ). Genesis 1:16. And God explains their purpose - one to rule the day,and the other to rule the night. <--- This is what is called "consistency", that God does not alter from, throughout His Word ! Why ? Because God is a God that changes not, and His Word was with him in the beginning , and - Was God !

    The first Man - Adam, was the literal "male"

    The first Man - Adam, was the figurative "female"

    More mysteries to come (If the interest is worthy !)

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
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  2. rkbo

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    Are you saying that there is a connection between Adam and Jn 1:1 the word?

    Also the image of God as stated in Gen. must at least mean something less than God himself, right? Since the creature is always less than the creator.

    When you say God is always the God of two of everything are you saying that he doesn't create something that doesn't have a dual meaning or essence or what?

    Hervey you have my interest and so far, skepticism. But this is what these forums are for, right?
     
  3. LouisBooth

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    umm...no hahaha..Adam is not the flip side of God. What an unblbical idea. God is not a "God of two". That is a very unbiblical idea. Don't force the bible to fit your ideas. Thanks.
     
  4. Mike K

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    Paul spoke of "the mysteries of our faith". What he was talking about was the fact that Jesus was God, the whole trinitarian concept. That is the mystery of our faith.

    I'm not sure I'm following where you're going with this.
     
  5. Hervey

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    rkbo:

    Your post is the only one worthy of a reply, but maybe the others would like to follow along anyways. It just might catch their interest a bit :eek:

    Yes, there is a connection between John 1:1 and what God's Word says about the first Man - Adam.

    The creature is always less than the creator, no doubt . But the key word here is "image", as I have explained. The first Man - Adam was "created" in his own "image". And throughout the Word of God, we can "see" both in the physical realm, and the spiritual realm. But we can only see the spiritual realm , by looking at the physical, which is why the apostle Paul said what he said, in Romans 1:20.

    Everything within the Word of God , gives us an insight to the spiritual , from the physical, that God either created or made.

    That is why we read in the NT about the "Second Adam" - I Corinth. 15:45- 49 <--- read these verses , and let me know what you think they are saying ? O K ?

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  6. Blackhawk

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    Hervey,

    Really I do not see what you are saying completely. I think you should remember that yes there are mysteries to God but that the Bible was mainly written so anyone can understand. Also I would like to ask how did you find out what these mysteries were? And Are thesespecial myysteries? I guess it just seems all very gnostic to me.

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  7. Hervey

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    Blackhaw6:

    The Word of God is not written in such a way, that anyone can read the scriptures and understand them !

    I Corinth. 2:10 - 16. <-- Read

    Answer to your question , about how did I find out about these mysteries. -- "The Spirit of God". He revealed them to me, and has shown me, that these mysteries are how he protected His Word. They "hold" the Word of God together, which no man can destroy !

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  8. Blackhawk

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    Hervey,

    What I meant is that the Bible was written simply. You are right without the Spirit none can interpret the scriptures. But my point was that the essential truths of the Bible are plain. They are not hidden.

    Also I still do not know where you are going with what you said above. Maybe it is just me but can you explain what you you said above. i understand the obvious but I do not understand what is so mysterious.

    blackhaw6
     
  9. Hervey

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    blackhaw6:

    What specifically do you not understand, by what I said, and the scriptures that I asked rkbo also to read, and the scriptures I gave in my original post ?

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  10. rkbo

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    Hey Hervey:

    Well I believe the distinction is being made that we are born of flesh through Adam and born again spirit through Jesus. Adam was the begining of our fleshly existence and Jesus is the begining of our new spiritual existence. We are fleshly of the family of Adam and spiritualy of the family of God.

    Do you agree?
     
  11. rkbo

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    I would add that the Spiritual real can be seen
    II Ki 6:17
    17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
    (KJV)

    The young man saw this with his eyes. also :

    Ezek 1:13
    13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.
    (KJV)

    Zech 1:8-10
    8 I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white.
    9 Then said I, O my lord, what are these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will shew thee what these be.
    10 And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.
    (KJV)

    Zech 6:1
    1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.
    (KJV)

    Rev 19:11
    11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
    (KJV)

    I believe we can see in the spiritual realm through the power of God only but it seems you are saying that there is something about the physical that mirrors the spiritual and that this is the only way we can see the spiritual. Is that what you are saying?
     
  12. Hervey

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    rkbo:

    To "see" is to understand. That is what the spiritual understanding is all about.

    God shows different men throughout the Word of God, certain things in the spiritual realm. But they do not see them in the physical realm. One may claim , that when the Word says - "saw" or "see" or "seen" that the Word is talking about the physical, but it is not !

    We do see with our physical eyes. But the Word of God gives us something physical to understand the spiritual. Like the first Man Adam, is a mirror image of the Last Adam.

    Visions , by revelation, are always related to something the receiver can relate too ! This is the way in which God can communicate a spiritual meaning.

    For instance, the reason in the book of Revelation, that horses are used in the revealing, is because in that day and time horses and war were a part of each other. Horses were used as having a greater ability to fight a war. Those who had horses always had the greater advantage.

    God gives us , from the things that are made, a spiritual understanding from those things that are made.

    God made two great lights, one to rule the day, and the other to rule the night.

    The 'sun' was one of those great lights. God uses it , to associate himself with the sun. "God is all light, and in him is no darkness at all". Not only that verse, but verses like this one > Psalms 84:11 - "For the Lord God is a sun, and a shield" -- or this verse which uses both great lights - Psalms 89:36 & 37 - "His (David) seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me " -- "It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven" -- or this verse in Revelation 12:1 - "I saw a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet"

    Or I Timothy 6:16 - "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see : " <--- Everything here pertains to God, who is the "sun" , and this word "light" in this verse is using the literal sun, to give us a spiritual understanding.

    No man has seen the sun, nor can man approach unto the sun, nor can they see the sun .

    Thus rendering this > "No man can approach God, because he is all light, whom no man hath seen, nor can see, because he is too bright , and consuming ! > Deut. 4:24 - "the Lord thy God is a consuming fire"

    The Word of God is full of these references , which pertain to the physical, to help us understand the spiritual.

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  13. Hervey

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    Blackhaw6:

    I am trying to establish a starting point, to start our conversation with one another.

    What I am asking you to do, is be more specific to what you are asking me to explain to you.

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  14. rkbo

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    So are you saying that a metaphore is more than a metaphore? That God is like the sun is a metaphore or else God is juat a ball of hot gas. I don't see the hidden meaning you are talking about.

    Please elaborate on what you think God creating man in his image means.
     
  15. Hervey

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    rkbo:

    The first man Adam is both male and female. God separated them , when he took a rib from Adam and made woman. He then tells them to come back together to become one again. This , along with the images of hands , eyes, etc. are used throughout the Word in a spiritual understanding. Even to the point, that in the book of Revelation. The New Jerusalem is the bride to the Lamb. This is a metaphor, but it is also a spiritual meaning behind the metaphor. It takes on the exact same spiritual, that we see in the literal, that we see in Genesis with the first man Adam.

    Throughout the Word, God uses the literal to explain the spiritual.

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  16. Blackhawk

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    Hervey,

    I agree with whatI hear that you are saying I just am weary because I do not know how far you are taking it or where.

    I do not think everything in the Bible has more than one meaning. I think it has one meaning with many applications. So I really do not know how to explain my confusion.

    If you are just stating that God uses physical things that have occured and they are like things that hapen in our spiritual lives I can dig that. But for some reason I think you mean more than that.

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  17. Hervey

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    bh6:

    What I am saying is what it "says" in Romans 1:20 - "For the invisible things of God from the creation of the world are "clearly seen", being "understood" by the things that are made" <-- That is what I am saying, because that is what the Word is saying.

    The invisible things of God , are the spiritual things, that we can not see with our physical eyes, but can be seen and understood, "by" the things that are made.

    We only need look at the things that God made, in order to clearly see and understand the invisible things of God.

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  18. Blackhawk

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    Hervey,

    interesting. I agree. I have not really thought about this except for a casual look but it makes sense. I guess I will have to look again at your first post to see how you say that physical reveals God and His plan. Because the physical world at least reveals God. I am not certain that it reveals all that is within God's plan. And even if it does that we can really understand all of it.

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  19. edjones

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    Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
     
  20. Hervey

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    Genesis 1:27 - So God(elohym - plural) created man (singular) in his own(singular - plural) image, in the image of God (elohym - plural) created him (singular); male and female (plural) created he (singular) them (plural). <--- Singular - Plural in the "ONE " true God Almighty, and the "ONE " man Adam is the image of God !

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
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