Muhammad Ali, is he really as great.....

[Landon Caeli]

For the record, i tried several times to delete that long post, but it turned out that posting the link was impossible without displaying the entirety of the text -just like when you post a youtube link, it automatically displays the youtube video and not just the link.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I, for one, enjoyed reading it. So thanks for posting it Landon.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Many despised him for his refusal to join the armed forces and his mistreatment of Joe Frazier.

I keep reading a few people mumble about him being a draft dodger on Facebook. But I've always heard the war wasn't our place. So maybe he has a point about that.

 

[Larniavc]

Who cares.

Well, I guess I'm just surprised to see this on a Christian forum.

 

[Larniavc]

Wow...then you aren't much of a Christian..people who insult a dead man because of a holier than thou complex have something wrong with them.

I think that post was sarcasm (indicated by the smilie) indicating distaste and surprise that someone would be having a go at a dead guy.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I keep reading a few people mumble about him being a draft dodger on Facebook. But I've always heard the war wasn't our place. So maybe he has a point about that.

The criticisms I have about the concept of people worshiping him don't even pertain to this particular thing.
(in fact, I never even knew he was a draft dodger TBH)

In fact (and I expressed it earlier in the thread), a large portion of my criticisms about it aren't even directly targeted at him (though he did have some questionable social attitudes), but more at society itself for athlete-worship.

Much like society is readily willing to be lenient on a pro athlete for their shortcomings...

They're also readily willing to amplify the positive things an athlete does to quickly & easily advance them to status of "hero", "inspiration", "model citizen" for things that, while good, are definitely lowering the bar in efforts to advance the social status of the athletes.

For example, if either of us donated 0.05% of our monthly income (on one occasion) to a particular charity and spent 1 hour, on one occasion, sitting with elementary school kids helping them learn to read, we'd be considered a "nice person"...when a pro-athlete does it, they're considered "an inspiration to us all".

That's how we ended up in a society where, even though heart disease and cancer are our two largest killers, pro athletes are raking in 10-15X what a cardiologist or oncologist makes. One profession is working against something that's killing 700,000 people a year in the US...they other is really good at throwing a ball.

 

[Born Again2004]

Obviously, that was not the context of the question.....

You asked a question and evidence...I gave it to you....obviously you have another agenda!

 

[civilwarbuff]

You asked a question and evidence...I gave it to you....obviously you have another agenda!

I asked the question from a human POV, not biblical; if I was looking for a biblical POV I would not have posted the question here. If that is an angenda, so be it......

 

[LoricaLady]

Well, I guess I'm just surprised to see this on a Christian forum.

Many atheists and agnostics, pagans and even some witches get on Christian forums. They are graciously welcomed and return that graciousness, too often, with verbal attacks on our faith. I suspect some of them are secretly curious about Christianity and will actually become Christian some day. I used to be a mocking, self avowed atheist, so know that is more than possible. I pray for those walking in darkness who think they are so full of truth. I'm sure others do too. Maybe that is why they are sent here.

 

[Born Again2004]

I asked the question from a human POV, not biblical; if I was looking for a biblical POV I would not have posted the question here. If that is an angenda, so be it......

Real truth is still truth and I thought this was a Christian Forum, not a human / secular forum!

 

[LoricaLady]

Real truth is still truth and I thought this was a Christian Forum, not a human / secular forum!

Maybe see the post I left just before you left the one above.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Real truth is still truth and I thought this was a Christian Forum, not a human / secular forum!

I'm fairly certain everyone here is human, though I could be wrong. However, while this is a Christian website, this part of the forums (the Discussion and Debate section) is open to people of all faiths, not just Christians. There are whole sections where people like me are not allowed to post because they are for Christians only.

 

[Born Again2004]

I'm fairly certain everyone here is human, though I could be wrong. However, while this is a Christian website, this part of the forums (the Discussion and Debate section) is open to people of all faiths, not just Christians. There are whole sections where people like me are not allowed to post because they are for Christians only.

Good and well and I can agree but, if you have a secular question, I have no answer but a Christian one. I am not here to discuss secular aspects of humanism...I have none!

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Good and well and I can agree but, if you have a secular question, I have no answer but a Christian one. I am not here to discuss secular aspects of humanism...I have none!

Nothing wrong with that. We are all here to offer up our own opinions and I try my best to value everyone's without looking to their stated faith. I think that tends to get in the way of meaningful discussion sometimes.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I will try to drag this back on topic

For the past week the press has lionized Ali as a great, wonderful, compassionate individual. Is that really true or is there another less tolerant and humanitarian side to him? We all know he was a great boxer but was his human side much less than than the media are proclaiming or is that an accurate portrayal. And please make sure you have some evidence to support your statements.

 

[Larniavc]

Many atheists and agnostics, pagans and even some witches get on Christian forums. They are graciously welcomed and return that graciousness, too often, with verbal attacks on our faith. I suspect some of them are secretly curious about Christianity and will actually become Christian some day. I used to be a mocking, self avowed atheist, so know that is more than possible. I pray for those walking in darkness who think they are so full of truth. I'm sure others do too. Maybe that is why they are sent here.

I take your point but I meant that I was surprised that this kind of thread (having a sly pop at a dead man- who obviously was not perfect; but who is?) was initiated by a Christian (instead of someone belonging to one of the groups you mentioned).

My apologies if I was not explaining myself well enough.

All the best.

 

[LoricaLady]

I take your point but I meant that I was surprised that this kind of thread (having a sly pop at a dead man- who obviously was not perfect; but who is?) was initiated by a Christian (instead of someone belonging to one of the groups you mentioned).

My apologies if I was not explaining myself well enough.

All the best.

Sorry if I didn't understand what you were trying to say. As for a "sly pop" I prefer to be more direct. I believe I was. We are asked if M.A. was as great as people think he is. My response was a negative as he may well have led people away from the Savior of the world. How sad. How way not great.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I take your point but I meant that I was surprised that this kind of thread (having a sly pop at a dead man- who obviously was not perfect; but who is?) was initiated by a Christian (instead of someone belonging to one of the groups you mentioned).

Where did I take a "sly pop"?

 

[LoricaLady]

Where did I take a "sly pop"?

I didn't see it as a sly pop, personally.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I did not think so, at least I tried to make it even handed...I don't have anything against or for Ali; a great boxer but past that I don't know much aabout his personal life which is what I am looking for.... good or not so good. That is why I was asking for supporting evidence of a persons statement.