(moved) What can be done to improve the race relations in America?

[The Lone Ranger]

What is there to talk about? Yeshua says your Brothers and Sisters are those who follow HIS word. Remember, there are different laws of the land, and one law takes precedence over another, depending upon the circumstances.

 

[JacksBratt]

Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

The one thing that is perpetuating the whole "race" thing is PRIDE....

Think about it. If I am offended by someone making reference to my race, my being offended is based on them putting down my race. Without PRIDE, I would not be offended. Many times people are offended when there was no intent at all.

So, one step is to be humble, accept that it is the person making the slanderous remark who is the weaker person, IF they were intending it, IF they were even conscious of it, IF it was derogatory.

Too many times racism is the fabrication of the offended. They see something that isn't there.

 

[Dionne005]

That is just the point. The misconception is one in which USA Afro Americans focus only on the USA Anglo white people as their adversaries. But if you travel to Miami, you will find a very strong antagonistic situation between the black community there and the Cuban American community based on both envy for Cuban American success and based on actual discriminatory behavior from both sides.

If you travel to the Southwest, in such areas as Los Angeles, you will find a very antagonistic situation between the Mexican American community and the Afro American community there which often includes violence. This is based on competition for jobs and federal government resources.

There is also antagonism between the Korean American community there and the Afro American community for similar reasons to the ones just mentioned. When riots break out over perceived or actual social injustices, such as the one involving Rodney king, such Korean communities come under attack.

Sometimes the antagonism of the black community can be based on a feeling of superiority over a certain immigrant group which is considered to be socially undesirable. Such is the general view concerning Haitians who arrive in Miami and are socially marginalized and considered persona's non grata due to cultural and linguistic difference.

So the view that the antagonism is limited to Afro Americans vs. USA Anglo whites is a misperception.

This is very interesting. I never felt or noticed that. But I only surround myself around certain people too. I also don't really understand what you mean by blacks getting upset at other minority groups. I just never heard of that. I'm from the south FYI. And I'm 27. Don't know if my generation is different or not but we like minority folks of other color. I don't know what you mean.

 

[Radrook]

This is very interesting. I never felt or noticed that. But I only surround myself around certain people too. I also don't really understand what you mean by blacks getting upset at other minority groups. I just never heard of that. I'm from the south FYI. And I'm 27. Don't know if my generation is different or not but we like minority folks of other color. I don't know what you mean.

I did not say blacks. I said Afro Americans because blacks exist in all countries and are not restricted to the USA.
Neither do all blacks have the same culture as those in the USA have. For example, in Latin America, blacks aren't bitter and as prone to riot as they are in the USA. That's because the historical slavery period background wasn't as severely unjust and inhumane in Latin America as it was in the USA.

As for the things I mention, I suggest that you google the subjects and in that way familiarize yourself with the situations in the geographical localities that I mentioned. Such information is easily accessible sand very informative via providing the social dynamics which have led to the development of the inter minority tensions described.

BTW
I can identify with your never hearing about the social issues I mentioned since at one time the whole world was in a turmoil while my world was focused on playing my electric guitar as a rhythm guitarist in a rock band. In fact, the Cuban Missile crisis which was threatening to send all mankind into oblivion via a nuclear world war a came and went and my main concern was learning new song to play at our latest gig. I used to briefly notice the Civil Rights Martin Luther King demonstrators being hosed down and savaged by dogs on the TV news channel and my mind just uncaringly went straight back to whether I was playing a song on the D or the E chord. I guess being extremely young and not being directly affected contributed significantly to that attitude.

 

[Dionne005]

I did not say blacks. I said Afro Americans because blacks exist in all countries and are not restricted to the USA.
Neither do all blacks have the same culture as those in the USA have. For example, in Latin America, blacks aren't bitter and as prone to riot as they are in the USA. That's because the historical slavery period background wasn't as severely unjust and inhumane in Latin America as it was in the USA.

As for the things I mention, I suggest that you google the subjects and in that way familiarize yourself with the situations in the geographical localities that I mentioned. Such information is easily accessible sand very informative via providing the social dynamics which have led to the development of the inter minority tensions described.

BTW
I can identify with your never hearing about the social issues I mentioned since at one time the whole world was in a turmoil while my world was focused on playing my electric guitar as a rhythm guitarist in a rock band. In fact, the Cuban Missile crisis which was threatening to send all mankind into oblivion via a nuclear world war a came and went and my main concern was learning new song to play at our latest gig. I used to briefly notice the Civil Rights Martin Luther King demonstrators being hosed down and savaged by dogs on the TV news channel and my mind just uncaringly went straight back to whether I was playing a song on the D or the E chord. I guess being extremely young contributed to that attitude.

Right, that's true about afro Americans didn't face the same as other blacks etc so experience is different. As far as my statement though, I am referring to african Americans. I'll look into it though. I know that my experience is not the same even amongst african Americans since I grew up different than a lot of them. Also think different than a some. Moving around and visiting other places you can tell that people really are different depending on the city too. Almost enough to be a parallel universe.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Conversion to and education in Christianity is the answer to proper race relations and stop naming everything as racism.

 

[Sir Robbins]

That is true some blacks did indeed sell and enslave each other but that is no excuse for slavery. It doesn't give it an okay. A stamp of approval... And speaking of one side of things, school rarely teaches about white slavery either... But it did happen and most people wouldn't believe me because it isnt talked about, not in school ( rarely) nor are their films about it one month out of the year as a reminder.

I agree there is no excuse for slavery of any kind. The biggest issue involving slavery we face today in America with both whites and blacks is sex trafficking.... they are essentially sex slaves and this is beyond wrong and evil... Slavery is still strong but not in the form it used to be and with a country obsessed with sex, it seems almost acceptable to the point no one does anything drastic to stop it like they did for labor slaves...

 

[Sir Robbins]

The whole USA society idea that Jews are a race which excludes all other races is a myth.

rather interesting since it was Zionist jews themselves who said they are their own kind.... remember, it's the Zionists that claim this and non Zionist jews claim they are jew-"ish" because most of what they do is in no way justified by Jews or Christians. Zionist jews run the printing presses and media outlets. It may have another owner but the writers and producers in charge are very far left, anti-white, anti Christ anti family

 

[Hank77]

Then there's black people being the problem of feeling like they have to not be themselves around people different from them. Our hair is not straight. Our afro and braids are fine. Black people need to read more on truth instead of being angry at life and white people. Everyone needs to love themselves.

What are you saying?
That a black person who wants to wear their hair straight shouldn't because it isn't naturally that why? Some white people curl their hair because they want it curly. Should they not do that because it isn't naturally curly? My youngest went on a trip to Mexico several years ago, when she came back her waist length, very curly hair was braided in tiny braided all over her head. Was she trying to look black?
She sometimes straightens her hair and always uses special hair products, because it doesn't frizz and get tangled so easily. [shug] ? Are you saying that when black people straighten their hair, they are just trying to look more white?
My daughter doesn't hate who she is, she just doesn't love her hair all the time. lol

Personally I wouldn't want to live in a world where all people looked basically the same, anymore than I would want to live in a world where all horses, dogs, cats, etc. were all the same color, size, etc. How boring that would be.
Rainbows and sunsets are the most beautiful where the colors are vivid.

 

[Hank77]

This is very interesting. I never felt or noticed that. But I only surround myself around certain people too. I also don't really understand what you mean by blacks getting upset at other minority groups. I just never heard of that. I'm from the south FYI. And I'm 27. Don't know if my generation is different or not but we like minority folks of other color. I don't know what you mean.

My son is a European mutt, his wife is Chinese. Before they were married he flew to Los Angeles to meet her family. They own a grocery store and live in a nice apartment above the store, which is in or near Chinatown. That evening he said he wanted to go for a walk and look around. Her brothers told him to wait until it was daylight, it wasn't safe for a white guy to be walking around there after dark. But it wasn't just whites, it was anyone that was/is not Asian.

 

[Monk Brendan]

I think the BLM group needs to focus not only on hate crimes committed against blacks but crimes commited against are own as well.

And I think that the Black Lives Matter group would do better in saying that ALL Lives Matter. By excluding any other race than black, they have created a bias against themselves among others who also have issues with the authorities in America (or where ever else they want Black Lives to Matter)

There are only two ways that you can remove prejudice. (1)Pray, long and hard that the matters of race stop being a problem to you, and spread that love to others and (2)Get elected to Congress and change some of the "unfair" laws that are holding them back.

 

[Sir Robbins]

^ I live and most of my life have lived in Florida. I've noticed a cultural battle down here. Cubans hate mexicans and Puerto Ricans. Blacks from the islands hate African American blacks and so on. There was a cultural battle down here and still is

 

[Monk Brendan]

It needs to be something drastic like simultaneous, instantaneous role reversal. It has to be; too many people DON'T know right from wrong.

Sorry, but that is a pipe dream. You expect all of the rich black people (and there are a lot of them--14 Million Dollars to quote Lee Baily's Eurweb.) to lower their standards to the white guy that only gets SSI and Food Stamps? What have you been smoking? True, it's only 5% of blacks, but still.

And how about the homeless black woman suddenly being thrust into a position of authority and being asked to perform at the same level as the former occupant of the office? The stress would be so great she would want to run out on the street and scream.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Sorry, but that is a pipe dream. You expect all of the rich black people (and there are a lot of them--14 Million Dollars to quote Lee Baily's Eurweb.) to lower their standards to the white guy that only gets SSI and Food Stamps? What have you been smoking? True, it's only 5% of blacks, but still.

And how about the homeless black woman suddenly being thrust into a position of authority and being asked to perform at the same level as the former occupant of the office? The stress would be so great she would want to run out on the street and scream.

It isn't about who would want to: it would have to be a paradigm shift. No one would choose to be black in America for 40 years; that is the point.

People need a role reversal in order to appreciate all facets of American treatment of its alleged citizens. Who cares if a black or white family doesnt want to give up their wealth and privilege for the opportunity to see beuond self, and for the purposes of being closer to fellow man?

Most solutions take into account comfortability; there is nothing comfortable about systematic innate oppression unless you don't experience it.

One generation. That's all.

 

[Radrook]

Right, that's true about afro Americans didn't face the same as other blacks etc so experience is different. As far as my statement though, I am referring to african Americans. I'll look into it though. I know that my experience is not the same even amongst african Americans since I grew up different than a lot of them. Also think different than a some. Moving around and visiting other places you can tell that people really are different depending on the city too. Almost enough to be a parallel universe.

True, the locality where one is raised has a lot to do with how one tends to view reality.

 

[Radrook]

Conversion to and education in Christianity is the answer to proper race relations and stop naming everything as racism.

Biblical knowledge via biblical education is no absolute guarantee since humans aren't primarily governed by logic or reason. Instead, humans tend to use reason to justify their emotions and the behavior which those emotions lead them to.

 

[RDKirk]

Conversion to and education in Christianity is the answer to proper race relations and stop naming everything as racism.

I wouldn't say "education in Christianity"--too many cold-hearted people with good Christian book knowledge. I'd say Christians filled with the Holy Spirit.

 

[RDKirk]

True, the locality where one is raised has a lot to do with how one tends to view reality.

A story on that, which I heard from a former PW of the Vietnam war.

This man, a sergeant, had been captured by the Vietcong in South Vietnam and was held for a time by that small Vietcong unit before being moved to a northern PW camp. During that holding time, the Vietcong commander would spend a few minutes a day interrogating him--but in fact, actually trying to convert him to the Communist side.

So the Vietcong commander would tell him every day about the evils of the American regime...as that Vietcong commander understood them. The American began to realize that in fact, this man had never travelled more than fifty miles from that very spot, except for a trip to Hanoi for officer training and then back again. All he knew about America--or the rest of the world-- was what he'd been told and what he imagined from what he knew of his immediate world. The American, realizing this, was almost amused by the crudeness of the man's world view.

At one point, the Vietcong officer hurled this challenge: "Do you think it is fair and just that officers in the American army get to eat eggs for breakfast, but you enlisted men are not allowed to have eggs?"

The American didn't laugh, but he retorted that enlisted soldiers could, indeed, have eggs for breakfast any time they wanted.

At this, the Vietcong officer got angry. "Do you think I'm a fool? There are two million men in the US military. There are not enough chickens in the world!"

The guy told me that was the moment he became truly frightened, realizing only then just how far apart his view of the world was from that of the man who held him captive. This man, having seen only farmers with no more than a handful of free-range chickens, had no concept whatsoever of how different anything could be from his own experience.

 

[ScottA]

Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

Race relation problems ARE NOT a matter of prejudice. Except for isolated areas, my generation ended all that - we love everyone.

No...the problem is political in nature, fueled by insecurities and feeding on human frailty on every level. This is the great crime of political correctness - instead of celebrating the great and wonderful diversities, it justifies our reactions to strength in others, resulting in the worse of human nature.

 

[Radrook]

A story on that, which I heard from a former PW of the Vietnam war.

This man, a sergeant, had been captured by the Vietcong in South Vietnam and was held for a time by that small Vietcong unit before being moved to a northern PW camp. During that holding time, the Vietcong commander would spend a few minutes a day interrogating him--but in fact, actually trying to convert him to the Communist side.

So the Vietcong commander would tell him every day about the evils of the American regime...as that Vietcong commander understood them. The American began to realize that in fact, this man had never travelled more than fifty miles from that very spot, except for a trip to Hanoi for officer training and then back again. All he knew about America--or the rest of the world-- was what he'd been told and what he imagined from what he knew of his immediate world. The American, realizing this, was almost amused by the crudeness of the man's world view.

At one point, the Vietcong officer hurled this challenge: "Do you think it is fair and just that officers in the American army get to eat eggs for breakfast, but you enlisted men are not allowed to have eggs?"

The American didn't laugh, but he retorted that enlisted soldiers could, indeed, have eggs for breakfast any time they wanted.

At this, the Vietcong officer got angry. "Do you think I'm a fool? There are two million men in the US military. There are not enough chickens in the world!"

The guy told me that was the moment he became truly frightened, realizing only then just how far apart his view of the world was from that of the man who held him captive. This man, having seen only farmers with no more than a handful of free-range chickens, had no concept whatsoever of how different anything could be from his own experience.

Thanks for the instructive story. I have encountered that type of mentality all my life.
It is truly comical at times since it causes the people to behave in really irrational ways based on their assumptions about complete strangers. For example, those who expect English incomprehension from members of certain ethic groups are rendered deaf when one speaks to them in clear English. They seem so shocked that they sometimes just gaze away as if rendered speechless and then finally utter a dazed incomprehensible "What? What ? What?"

Others who immediately tag people with their preconceptions proceed to pantomime furiously when using such a common English word as umbrella or rain in order to get the concept of impending rain and umbrellas across to the supposedly uncomprehending of basic English listener.

Still others refuse to accept that the person is indeed speaking English because that would shatter their preconceptions and cause their universe to go awry. So they proceed with the desperate:

""Oh You don't mean Plantains, you mean "Platanos!" You don't mean "house"what I mean is casa"" You don't mean man you mean hombre. You don't mean dollar you mean peso!"

So the story comes as no surprise to me.