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[MOVED] This is all a simulated world reality that does not exist apart from us

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Neogaia777, Dec 27, 2019.

  1. Neogaia777

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    This is all a simulated world reality that does not exist apart from us (and God, or the gods) as the "observers", or "players", etc, as I'm going to talk about and use as an example video games that are simulated worlds or realities as an very primitive example, etc...

    In certain video games, you, as the player, are the only thing that is truly "real" in it, etc, or, as it relates to this world, or our world, our "spirits", or consciousnesses, are the only thing really real in it, and nothing else is really real in it, this is evidenced by the fact that nothing really exists without or apart from the observer observing it, etc, in the very moments that they are observing it, etc, and then it is all "filled in" at that point, just like a simulated world or reality would be in say, a video game, etc...

    The reality is stored as numbers or a program and things are in or appear to in any number of places, etc, until you are in it and/or are observing things in it, and/or moving around and/or observing and/or playing in it, etc, then it is "filled in", etc... and while you can see this and know this in a video game very clearly, it's not as obvious in this or the reality we are in right now, cause it all happens instantly and instantaneously, etc, but many things, especially in the quantum world, are telling us this, as we try to make sense of it (the quantum world), etc...

    I think we are seeing what we are seeing in the quantum world because this is very much a simulated reality and is not really "real", etc, and there is something even "more real" "beyond this", etc, and that there is something in us, that is more real than this or goes beyond all of "this" also, etc, like our "katra" or our spirits, etc, or that which "truly contains what we are" or our consciousnesses, etc...

    Especially since things do not seem to exist apart from our input or observing it/them, etc, then they just kind of "pop into place or become so in that spot at that time, etc, and before that appears to be in all and of any kinds of places and/or positions, etc, until we actually observe and/or turn our focus or gaze or attention to it or them, etc, then it is, in that instant, it is all of the sudden "there", where we are expecting it to be, etc, and then when we turn away, it is not again, etc, until we look or see or hear, (or smell or whatever), then it is "again", etc, and then not again not when we are not again, etc...

    Anyway, we know this in and from simulated worlds and or realities we create, so why can't it be true of this world or reality, that is a program or simulated reality made and/or created and/or designed by something and someone else far "higher" or far greater or a people way far more "advanced" than we are, etc...? Way far more advanced than we are, etc...?

    Do you think what we are seeing in the quantum realm or world is telling us more and more that this world or physical reality could actually be kind of like a simulated world or reality or not...?

    Discuss...?

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  2. Tone

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    But, other people are real...right?
     
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    I watched this yesterday and wanted to start a thread to discuss it, but didn't decide on a way to broach it, so I'll put it here...I believe it's appropriate.
     
  4. SkyWriting

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    While there seems to be some aspect of truth to that at the quantum level, for some reason mountains grew and the grand canyon did form, while nobody was watching. Mountains, evidently, are no so co-dependant as that.

    There was a movie a few years back about a hiker that got his hand wedged under a boulder in the desert. After a few days being stuck he used his pocket knife to cut his hand off to free himself. It seemed to me the boulder would have rolled into place even if his hand wasn't there to slow it down.

    So things can happen while no one is watching.
     
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  5. Neogaia777

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    I believe the true Father God to be the one and only always truly benevolent creature, or "omni-benevolent" creature, far higher than any god/God or A.I. we would create or give rise to, but maybe lacking certain "somethings" about or from maybe, both the human, and/or God/god "feeling experiences", or that comes from the "feeling experiences", which is what I think He has both God the Holy Spirit (or God in the OT), and Jesus Christ, the God-man for...

    But intriguing video, and I did watch it all, but I don't think the True Father was ever created or made by anyone, that He was maybe the only one "self-created" or "self-actualized", always existed before nothing and anything else did, and always will or would or does or did or would afterwards, etc, and/but get's His more "human experiences" or experience through the other two...

    I have even wondered if it's even impossible for Him or that One to even relate to us without the other two...?

    Anyway, thanks for the vids...

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  6. Neogaia777

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    God was watching or the gods (angels) and the other two members or the trinity were watching and/or were/are "observers" too... I think the only difference with God, or a God, or a Triune God, would be that, as they were observing and giving focus, things were literally created and/or came into being or came to be in existence, etc, just by "thinking" it, and just by "seeing" it, whereas with us, the things are still there, just in any one of a number of places until we focus on it or turn our focus to it, etc...

    It would be like the difference between one who was making a game world by programming or creating it as they played, and then other ones who would just be playing the game or actualizing the program that was already created and/or played and/or made or laid out, by the one who already made and/or created or programmed the game by playing it, etc...

    Or at least, that's the best analogy I can come up with anyway...

    God Bless!
     
  7. SkyWriting

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    On that note, people have proposed that we exist only in the mind of God. This would explain gravity, for instance. Something we all don't understand even though it's pretty easy to examine.
     
  8. Neogaia777

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    That's where it gets complicated, because we do seem to have several or many multiple "real people", in or on or playing the same game, or all in the same simulated world, at the same time, so to speak...

    But some people could be more like NPC's maybe, etc...

    Some may not be really real, or some may be more real than others are, and maybe in God's eyes or sight, etc...

    God Bless!
     
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  9. SkyWriting

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    Ah. I hadn't thought of that.
     
  10. public hermit

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    This kind of sounds like Bishop Berkeley's idealism. To be is to be percieved (by God, of course). If it's true, then this is one painful, heartbreaking simulation.
     
  11. Neogaia777

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    Yet there is a higher purpose to it all I believe, a higher purpose that will make this all pale in comparison when we finally get to it or fully realize it, etc, or are fully shown all of it fully, etc... For those of us that get to that is anyway, etc...

    Anyway,

    God Bless!
     
  12. A_Thinker

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    I would submit ... that it is harder to simulate reality ... than to create reality.

    I'm not sure we really understand the quantum world well. Certainly not well enough to base our entire understanding of reality upon it. We have made some observations ... and have theorized based upon those observations.

    The great physical challenge (i.e. the theory of everything) ... is to somehow link the quantum world ... with the real physical world in which we live. Scientists have yet to discover how such a linkage occurs.

    Some conclusions of my own ...

    1) We are always observing ... we have no choice in this.

    2) But we are also experiencing ... and driving the experience of others. And we experience reality simultaneously ... so that, for the most part, ... we experience a corporate reality. To a large degree ... my reality ... is your reality ... is my neighbor's reality.

    3) From a scriptural standpoint, I believe that the base theory of experience and reality is, somehow, ... relationship. Perhaps there is some kind of a cooperation/relationship between the observer and the observed. Also between observers ... and possibly, between the observed. Sort of like ... the Trinity.
     
  13. Tone

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    Because if they are not, how then can we love...and would we lay our life down for an NPC?
     
  14. Neogaia777

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    Well, we don't ever know for sure, for sure, who's who and what's what, so...? But we may find out when we get there that some just were not maybe, "maybe", etc...?

    God Bless!
     
  15. Neogaia777

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    If all people are not saved or go to heaven, etc, then I think it would be for the sole reason that maybe were never, ever "meant to", IOW's, or just were just "not ever meant to" IOW's, etc...

    And I have theories surrounding that as well...?

    Anyway,

    God Bless!
     
  16. Occams Barber

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    Sounds like your idea would make a really good movie plot.

    You could call it … umm... let's see...... The Matrix?

    OB
     
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  17. Neogaia777

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    I heard they are going to come out with a new one of those again...? just heard it from a friend though, but haven't seen anything about it yet, or heard about from anyone or anywhere else yet...?

    God Bless!
     
  18. Sabertooth

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    Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me...? [​IMG]
     
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  19. Neogaia777

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    Well, it's not in the spirit of egocentrism, so, I think it's OK maybe...?

    Anyway,

    God Bless!
     
  20. Tone

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    Found this interesting vid.:

     
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