[MOVED] Denying God's Creation because we prefer the darkness

[Kenny'sID]

It's not dodging.

Wanna see dodging? Just ask him to prove his evolution.

 

[Dan1988]

The definition of a transitional fossil is simply a fossil that shows intermediary characteristics between two taxa. In that respect, there are thousands of identified transitional fossils.

Unless you're claiming those fossils don't exist in the first place, then they do exist. Whether you accept evolution or not is irrelevant to the fact that, based on the definition of said fossils, transitional fossils exist.

They only exist for those who apply the scientific method known as "circular reasoning", where you begin with a theory and then make everything conform to that theory.
That method is fundamentally flawed, because it's not based on facts. It's just a theory, and we know theories change everyday.

 

[Dan1988]

You didn't answer my question. So I 'll make it easier for you. Why did you use the phrase
we have never found a single fossil of a species in transition from one species to another.

When the ToE states that individuals don't "transition", but that happens from generation to generation?
Did you know before you posted that post or not?

I know what the theory claims, but there's zero evidence to support it's claim.

 

[Dan1988]

Not sure what exactly you're arguing against, because it ain't evolution since evolution doesnt say pigs can evolve into monkeys either.

Evolutionists don't seem to know what they actually believe, maybe their theory is still evolving.

 

[Dan1988]

Inless God is capable of speaking with metaphor, simile, analogy, parable, and symbol.

God has spoken in parables, metaphors etc. but He made it crystal clear concerning creation so all shall be without excuse when they stand before Him to be judged.
Satan challenged God in the garden of Eden, when he asked Eve "hath God said". This should be a stark warning to anyone who dares to challenge Gods Word.

 

[Dan1988]

what malarchy does that even mean? Thats literally gobbledygook, those dinosaurs are dinosaurs before they became birds, thats literally what they are.....see you have no clue what your looking for or you wouldn't say that.

I'm just trying to find one single shred of evidence to support the theory of evolution. We have billions of fossils and not a single one is from a transitional creature. So we just have to put the theory in the fantasy basket until we find one.

 

[Dan1988]

Oh yes we have. You denied my faith and the faith of close on two billion Christians like me, not to mention the faith of billions more who have gone to their reward before us. You can't just slide out out from under a monstrous thing like that by saying "nothing to discuss." If you want to believe in a six-day creation go right ahead, no one will stop you. But you don't own the Bible and are in no position to dictate to other Christians what they must believe about it.

OK, you're welcome to interpret the Bible any way you like. I'm not here to force my view on anyone.
We have 40,000 Christian denominations to chose from, each of them claims to posses the correct interpretation whilst disagreeing with the rest.
I should have began my sentence in the previous post, "according to my interpretation of Gods Word, those who don't believe Gods Word can't claim to be Christian". I thought a Christian was supposed to believe what God has said, maybe I'm wrong about that.

 

[loveofourlord]

I'm just trying to find one single shred of evidence to support the theory of evolution. We have billions of fossils and not a single one is from a transitional creature. So we just have to put the theory in the fantasy basket until we find one.

Yeah....you have no clue what your talking about, kinda hilarious, TELL ME WHAT A TRANSITIONAL FOSSIL would look like. If your sure they don't exist you should be able to describe what a transitional fossil between dinosaurs and birds be like.

 

[BobRyan]

There's a word for all of this: preaching.

Preaching the good news is very good...

as compared to blind faith evolutionism's stories "easy enough to tell but they are not science" about how bacteria turn into horses given enough time and chance in a long sequence of "just so" stories.

 

[BobRyan]

OK, you're welcome to interpret the Bible any way you like. I'm not here to force my view on anyone.
We have 40,000 Christian denominations to chose from, each of them claims to posses the correct interpretation whilst disagreeing with the rest.
I should have began my sentence in the previous post, "according to my interpretation of Gods Word, those who don't believe Gods Word can't claim to be Christian". I thought a Christian was supposed to believe what God has said, maybe I'm wrong about that.

Nope.. you are right - Christians believe the Word of God.

And what is interesting is that even the atheist professors of OT studies and Hebrew Language in all world class universities - also agree that the Genesis creation account is a literal historic account and not "allegory" when one looks at "the kind of literature that it is ". They don't agree with the Bible text of course - but they at least know what it is saying.

 

[BobRyan]

Oh yes we have. You denied my faith

You list your faith as "other religion" who has denied that you are as you say "other religion"??

 

[BobRyan]

I'm sure scientists at one time were in agreement as well.

Indeed they were... on a great many odd idea. Ask Louis Pasteur

 

[GirdYourLoins]

I havent studied the evolution/creation debate in a number of years but there are enough question marks over evolution that it shouldnt be taken as proven. things like the optic nerve, liver, etc cannot be explained by evolution, those bacteria in the gut made up of multiple parts that had to be put together as a complete organism or it doesnt work, the fact that the observations of Darwin that formed the basis of evolution (particularly the finches who's beaks "evolved" changed back when the weather changed again. I use to have loads of books, etc on it bt they got lost somewhere.

I also met a few years back a world renowned geneticist. He was quite a humble guy and a pastor so all he would say about it was he had been invited to a meeting where only the top 100 geneticists had been invited and they asked him to be a speaker at it. He said several times he can prove that evolution cannot work, but its a complex genetic argument that only the worlds top experts would really understand, so would never even try to say what it was. I had to take his word for it and you'll have to take mine that he actually said it.

My point of saying all this is simple, there are often arguments for both sides, in this one we are taught one side as being fact when it is far from it. On a similar note, on the radio a few years ago I heard a famous scientist in the UK, Dr Brian Cox be asked by the DJ "Why is it called the big bang theory when we know its true?" His answer is very relevant to this discussion. He said something like we teach it as fact as according to what we know it is believed to be true. No one was there to witness it so it cannot be proven as fact, which is why it is still called a theory. He went on to say that who knows what we will discover in the future, in a few hundred years we may know far more that proves the big bang theory is not correct. He said hundreds of years ago we knew then we "knew" the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. As we learned more that was proven to be wrong. We have no way of knowing is what we currently believe to be true could be proven to be wrong in the future.

On a side note, when atheists say to me that we know the big bang theory is true I tend to say ask why. They then go on to say that we can observe the expansion and forces in the universe that prove that it expanded from a central point. I answer that the Bible says God flung the stars into space. His hand could be the central point where they think the explosion was and what they see as the force from the theorised explosion is actually the force that He flung them with. I then go on to say that with everything we know about physics it should all be slowing down but it is still speeding up. If they know their stuff they will say about dark matter, the theoretical stuff in the universe that apparently makes everything act in the way we observe it. I then answer saying the invisible force we cant see, touch, feel, measure or anything else. The thing that we only know is there because we cant explain what we can observe without having to make up something else up to explain it. I then tell them that it takes more faith in my opinion to believe that than it being Gods creative nature being observed.

 

[Palmfever]

Science is the study of creation. God created all, the particulars, I don’t know, nor the time frame. Seeking knowledge is beneficial to mankind for many purposes, yet before the, “big bang,” prior to natural time, no one knows what existed. So those who presume to have a definitive concept of and rejection of the Creator are addressed here; The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” Psalms 14:1

It’s been said, “A diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to hell, and make you happy to be on your way.” So as far as I’m concerned any who choses, can go to blazes.

The simple minded, self aggrandizing may see those of faith as ignorant, but then what can be expected of those who place their faith in their puny selves.

Scripture gives scant information on creation, that is not the its purpose. While it may be true that the days before the sun, moon stars may not have been 24 hour days, The purpose of scripture is to cast light on a Creator who has chosen to have an eternal relationship with His creation and the simple method by which this can be achieved.

Science has found in creation no origin of life. Theories. So when I read derogatory verbiage referring to those of faith, I chuckle, Who’s the fool.

 

[Dan1988]

Yeah....you have no clue what your talking about, kinda hilarious, TELL ME WHAT A TRANSITIONAL FOSSIL would look like. If your sure they don't exist you should be able to describe what a transitional fossil between dinosaurs and birds be like.

A transitional fossil would be from an animal which is in transition from one species to another. It can be any species, you have billions of fossils to choose from.
I won't hold my breath waiting for you to dig one up, you would become super rich and famous if you do find one. You would make the Bible obsolete and rewrite human history.
God created every creature in it's fully formed state, He never used evolution. That's a man made theory, which will never be proven because it doesn't exist.

 

[Dan1988]

Nope.. you are right - Christians believe the Word of God.

And what is interesting is that even the atheist professors of OT studies and Hebrew Language in all world class universities - also agree that the Genesis creation account is a literal historic account and not "allegory" when one looks at "the kind of literature that it is ". They don't agree with the Bible text of course - but they at least know what it is saying.

I don't understand how some Christians can claim to believe in God but then deny His spoken Word. The creation account we have in the book of Genesis, was not recorded as a parable which would make it open to various interpretations.
The creation account was recorded in plain language, so there's no room for any other interpretation than the way it was recorded. Yet we have professing Christians claiming that there are many ways to interpret it.
We can twist the scriptures to make them say anything we want them to, even the plain and simple ones are twisted these days. Christ said "He is the only way to God", but so many Christians twist that and assert that you can come to God through any means you like. They deny the truth and make God a liar, it's actually quite sad to see how wide spread heresy has become.

 

[loveofourlord]

A transitional fossil would be from an animal which is in transition from one species to another. It can be any species, you have billions of fossils to choose from.
I won't hold my breath waiting for you to dig one up, you would become super rich and famous if you do find one. You would make the Bible obsolete and rewrite human history.
God created every creature in it's fully formed state, He never used evolution. That's a man made theory, which will never be proven because it doesn't exist.

Ummmm thats exactly what archeoraptor, Ambulocetus, tiktaalik, and other animals are. Again you don't seem to have a clue what your demanding, and in typical creationist fashion, all you are is just sticking fingers in your ear going LALALALA. Explain to me how they are not trasnsitional forms.

 

[loveofourlord]

I don't understand how some Christians can claim to believe in God but then deny His spoken Word. The creation account we have in the book of Genesis, was not recorded as a parable which would make it open to various interpretations.
The creation account was recorded in plain language, so there's no room for any other interpretation than the way it was. Yet we have professing Christians claiming that there are many ways to interpret it.
We can twist the scriptures to make them say anything we want them to, even the plain and simple ones are twisted these days. Christ said "He is the only way to God", but so many Christians twist that and assert that you can come to God through any means you like. They deny the truth and make God a liar, it's actually quite sad to see how wide spread heresy has become.

Because we actually care about reality and science, and understand what evolution is, and the evidence for it. Unlike you we don't make up criteria for something then ignore when it's given, it's be like you and deny gods incredible ability to create like in a amazing fashion, or accept it happened.

 

[coffee4u]

Because we actually care about reality and science, and understand what evolution is, and the evidence for it. Unlike you we don't make up criteria for something then ignore when it's given, it's be like you and deny gods incredible ability to create like in a amazing fashion, or accept it happened.

Reality is both the physical world and the spiritual world and science only touches one of those, guess which.
Science can neither measure nor predict or have any knowledge of miracles, of God or the spiritual realm, yet this is what creation was, a miracle.
Evidence is limited to the physical, so in a sense missing half of the data. Anyone doing real science knows that missing even a single piece of the data will result in incorrect conclusions.

God did create in an amazing fashion and Genesis outlines it clearly.
Genesis 2:7
Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
No mention of slow evolution from some primate, but formed directly and brought to life immediately as a fully formed man all in one day.

 

[coffee4u]

Ummmm thats exactly what archeoraptor, Ambulocetus, tiktaalik, and other animals are. Again you don't seem to have a clue what your demanding, and in typical creationist fashion, all you are is just sticking fingers in your ear going LALALALA. Explain to me how they are not trasnsitional forms.

archeoraptor? That's a bird. You want these fossils to be transitional so as to cement your belief in evolution. Did you ever even once since becoming a Christian consider that view is wrong? .
Archaeoraptor: Phony 'feathered' fossil - creation.com
Also, why is it, you or others think feathers on a dinosaur is somehow proof of them changing into a bird? God can put feathers on whatever creature he desired. We don't care if there were dinosaurs with feathers, that would simply mean God gave some feathers.

No matter what fossils are found, none of it proves evolution. Saying those features got there through evolution has no more proof them me saying God gave them feathers on day 6 when he created them. What we have is a fossil and some feathers but how it came to have them is the story around them, there is no proof as to how they came to be there.