[MOVED] Denying God's Creation because we prefer the darkness

[loveofourlord]

I see evolutionists as completely blind and ignorant. You believe that God would use a pathetic means like "evolution" in His work of creation. Why would an almighty God take millions of years to create His creatures, when He could do it in a day or two.

I know that evolutionists have a low view of God, they think He is like a man but they are dead wrong.

Ask yourself why God didn't create Adam and Eve as pond scum, which slowly evolved into some slimy fish before it became a human. Why did He create them as mature adults???. Now if He created mankind as fully formed mature adults, why wouldn't He be able to create a rock that's fully formed and mature???? and why wouldn't He then go on to create everything fully formed and mature??????

I wouldn't have any time for a pathetic weak god, who takes millions of years to create a slimy little frog. I would laugh at a god like that and I would mock him to his face, just as the evolutionists do to the One True Creator God.

God is not mocked, He has prepared a lake of super hot lava where the mockers will spend eternity screaming in.

Why is god constrained by time? Whats more amazing, creating something whole cloth with a snap of his fingers, or allowing nature to create the life in amazing ways, that creates the diversity we see today and in the past.

Oh god could do all that, the question isn't could he, the question is did he, the evidence that creationists ignore shows that he didn't. The evidence is so strong that all the creationists will do with their insistence on ignoring evidence for evolution is turn people from god. if your wrong, do you think god will be happy with the atheists you make? You are mocking god by insiting that your knowledge of god and the bible is stronger then the knowledge we can gain from gods creation.

 

[AV1611VET]

But in chapter 2 Man is created before animals.

Chapter 2 is what is called a frame story.

It is a story within a story, meant to emphasize something within the main story.

The main story is Genesis 1, and its frame story is found in Genesis 2.

 

[Dan1988]

Why is god constrained by time? Whats more amazing, creating something whole cloth with a snap of his fingers, or allowing nature to create the life in amazing ways, that creates the diversity we see today and in the past.

Oh god could do all that, the question isn't could he, the question is did he, the evidence that creationists ignore shows that he didn't. The evidence is so strong that all the creationists will do with their insistence on ignoring evidence for evolution is turn people from god. if your wrong, do you think god will be happy with the atheists you make? You are mocking god by insiting that your knowledge of god and the bible is stronger then the knowledge we can gain from gods creation.

The question is "did He", so evolutionists look at sediment on a river bed and see the layers and conclude that it took x amount of years for the layers to form. The problem you face is, what if God formed the layers to make it look old like he formed Adam to look mature.
The other problem you have is unbelief, God said He created everything in 6 days and along comes the experts and say no He's lying it took 4 million years.

I have to choose whom I believe, do I believe what God has said or do I believe what some confused scientist named Charles Darwin said. The stakes are high, if I believe in Darwin I will be cast into the lake of fire to be tormented in super hot lava for eternity. But if I believe in God, then i will spend eternity in paradise, so to me it's a no brainier.

Satan challenged what God has said, when He tempted Eve in the garden. He also asked Eve "hath God said" and She took the bate. So I'm surprised to see so many professing Christians denying God's Word. The stakes are very high, in this word game.

 

[GirdYourLoins]

Might want to brush up on your days. I suggest reading a Bible.

Vegetation was day 3.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

Sea and flying creatures on day 5
20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”
23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

Animals and man on day 6
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Yes, birds were created before the land animls. Your point?
Some are fake some are real, doesn't bother me since I know God made them all on day 5 or 6 so whatever they find or don't find is of no importance.

I read that as the morning is the third day, so what happened was before the evening of the second day and then there was the morning of the third day. Having looked a bit further into it I see the evening and the morning are the same day, not as we understand it today where the day changes at midnight, so yes you are right and I was reading it wrong.

My point on the birds being before the land creatures was in relation to a claim that birds evolved from dinosaurs which are land creatures so this part of evolution does not fit in with the biblical account of creation. No more than that.

 

[loveofourlord]

The question is "did He", so evolutionists look at sediment on a river bed and see the layers and conclude that it took x amount of years for the layers to form. The problem you face is, what if God formed the layers to make it look old like he formed Adam to look mature.
The other problem you have is unbelief, God said He created everything in 6 days and along comes the experts and say no He's lying it took 4 million years.

I have to choose whom I believe, do I believe what God has said or do I believe what some confused scientist named Charles Darwin said. The stakes are high, if I believe in Darwin I will be cast into the lake of fire to be tormented in super hot lava for eternity. But if I believe in God, then i will spend eternity in paradise, so to me it's a no brainier.

Satan challenged what God has said, when He tempted Eve in the garden. He also asked Eve "hath God said" and She took the bate. So I'm surprised to see so many professing Christians denying God's Word. The stakes are very high, in this word game.

I chose to believer god, over our flawed understanding of his creation, the woirld proves evolution happened, so you can either reject it, or reject gods creation. And again your god is a liar a deciever, and not one I'm interested in worshipping. Funny how your excuses have god lying and decieving people in order to make it appear evolution happened. Thats not a answer, and not how science should be done, by saying, "Well god could have done X." you reject any posability of god doing Y."

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Chapter 2 is what is called a frame story.

It is a story within a story, meant to emphasize something within the main story.

The main story is Genesis 1, and its frame story is found in Genesis 2.

That doesn't explain why it is ordered differently.

 

[AV1611VET]

That doesn't explain why it is ordered differently.

Let me ask you something:

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

How many times did God place Adam into the Garden? once or twice?

I say once, but it's written twice.

 

[coffee4u]

I read that as the morning is the third day, so what happened was before the evening of the second day and then there was the morning of the third day. Having looked a bit further into it I see the evening and the morning are the same day, not as we understand it today where the day changes at midnight, so yes you are right and I was reading it wrong.

My point on the birds being before the land creatures was in relation to a claim that birds evolved from dinosaurs which are land creatures so this part of evolution does not fit in with the biblical account of creation. No more than that.

The Jewish people took one day from sunset to sunset, which is why it says 'evening and morning' for the day.

No part of evolution fits with the Bible.

 

[coffee4u]

That doesn't explain why it is ordered differently.

it's not ordered differently.

Genesis 1 gives the order as creation happens.
Genesis 2 is looking back at something that has already happened, with the focus being on the garden and man.

Genesis 2 isn't talking about creating plants from scratch, its talking about the cultivated crops, plants that need man to care for them inside the garden of Eden. Adam was made outside the garden then moved into the garden.
5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground,
It is not a great translation, but plants here are referring to cultivated plants, plants that need people to care for them. The plants in Gen1 are wild plants, grasses, forests.
All the other sentences referring to creation should be read with had. Past tense.
8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.

19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

 

[coffee4u]

I chose to believer god, over our flawed understanding of his creation, the woirld proves evolution happened, so you can either reject it, or reject gods creation. And again your god is a liar a deciever, and not one I'm interested in worshipping. Funny how your excuses have god lying and decieving people in order to make it appear evolution happened. Thats not a answer, and not how science should be done, by saying, "Well god could have done X." you reject any posability of god doing Y."

The world does not prove evolution. Imperfect men with his own worldly wisdom decided that the world best fits in with his own story of creation, that of evolution by chance random processes. No need for God, no need to be held accountable. Man thinks he knows better than God -which is the root of the original sin. Satan said "Did God really say?' and people have repeated that phrase ever since. Did God really say he created in 6 days? Yes, he did.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.

 

[coffee4u]

having a different view isn't childish, the childish thing is the excuse for denying it. You say I see dinosaurs with feathers and see it fits in with evolution, no thats not me, thats the people that before we knew that dinosaurs had feathers predicted they evolved from dinosaurs. Funny how we predicted it, and it came to be true, it could have been anything else that had feathers. You have to explain why god would have created tiktalik that looks like transitional between aquaitc fish and fish moving on land. Explain why the whale evolution so perfectly fits what we know and fits how the evolution would have worked.

Your denying isn't a answer, and isn't worthy of being even called that. Going uhuh is defintely childish response, a adult comes up with a better answer to explain the evidence. Because all your doing is looking at how god created life with evolution and denying the evidence. It's never going to convince anyone that actually understands evolution and just makes you look silly.

It doesn't matter what people predict, they are infallible, imperfect people who probably know 1% of what there is to know. Only God knows all.

You decided it looks like a transition because some scientist somewhere said it was so. So what if they think it looks like that? That is just some man's words against God's word. God is the source of wisdom, not some men.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
God said he made in 6 days, so he did. God doesn't lie to us.

Why it fits perfectly? Again its an assumption that it does. All the creatures found are full formed working creatures. I choose to believe God made all creatures the way he wanted them to look. So how should it look according to you if God created over 6 days?
A crocodiles head on a fish or feather on a dinosaur seem to be top of the not allowed list, what else?

I don't care how silly you think I am, I believe God over 'educated men' any day.

 

[coffee4u]

Why is god constrained by time? Whats more amazing, creating something whole cloth with a snap of his fingers, or allowing nature to create the life in amazing ways, that creates the diversity we see today and in the past.

Oh god could do all that, the question isn't could he, the question is did he, the evidence that creationists ignore shows that he didn't. The evidence is so strong that all the creationists will do with their insistence on ignoring evidence for evolution is turn people from god. if your wrong, do you think god will be happy with the atheists you make? You are mocking god by insiting that your knowledge of god and the bible is stronger then the knowledge we can gain from gods creation.

Who said God is constrained by time? God made the core of the earth outside of time.
Time didn't start until creation week.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
Time on earth starts. God himself is outside of time, time is for us not God.

We ignore it because it goes against what God says. When God told Noah to build a boat he didn't ask his neighbour for advice on the evidence of this flood thing happening. I doubt he knew what a flood was or even rain. So the evidence for it was nill. What did he have to go on? God's word to him and only Gods word. It's called faith.
Genesis 1 says God watered the plants from under the ground and the rainbow was a new thing after the flood. By the way if the flood was local that makes God out to be a lier as he said the rainbow was a sign that there would never be a flood like that again. There have been many many local floods. The rainbow after or with rain is to remind us that there will never be a global flood again.

People become atheists because they do not believe what God said and they do not want to be held accountable and evolution gives them an out, a world that created itself means no God, no judgment, no being held accountable. Then their heart becomes hardened until it is full of disbelief. A hardened heart can't even detect the spiritual, it becomes foolishness to them and the physical becomes all.
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Likewise, creation is perceived as foolishness. Is the miracle of creation any more difficult to God than the miracle of virgin birth and life after death? I don't think so.

Evolution is the teaching of Satan.
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
I believed it for 25 years of my life until I was shown the truth.

 

[loveofourlord]

It doesn't matter what people predict, they are infallible, imperfect people who probably know 1% of what there is to know. Only God knows all.

You decided it looks like a transition because some scientist somewhere said it was so. So what if they think it looks like that? That is just some man's words against God's word. God is the source of wisdom, not some men.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
God said he made in 6 days, so he did. God doesn't lie to us.

Why it fits perfectly? Again its an assumption that it does. All the creatures found are full formed working creatures. I choose to believe God made all creatures the way he wanted them to look. So how should it look according to you if God created over 6 days?
A crocodiles head on a fish or feather on a dinosaur seem to be top of the not allowed list, what else?

I don't care how silly you think I am, I believe God over 'educated men' any day.

You arguing will create atheist, keep it up if that is your goal, anyone with a modicum of understanding of evolution will just look at what you say as a joke. they are transitions because thats what they literally are, again, you want to prove they are not, find something that doesn't fit the evolutionary tree, arguing with your flawed understanding of evolution or the world, and terrible arguments will get you no where. Creationists are seen as jokes and your not helping.

 

[loveofourlord]

Who said God is constrained by time? God made the core of the earth outside of time.
Time didn't start until creation week.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
Time on earth starts. God himself is outside of time, time is for us not God.

We ignore it because it goes against what God says. When God told Noah to build a boat he didn't ask his neighbour for advice on the evidence of this flood thing happening. I doubt he knew what a flood was or even rain. So the evidence for it was nill. What did he have to go on? God's word to him and only Gods word. It's called faith.
Genesis 1 says God watered the plants from under the ground and the rainbow was a new thing after the flood. By the way if the flood was local that makes God out to be a lier as he said the rainbow was a sign that there would never be a flood like that again. There have been many many local floods. The rainbow after or with rain is to remind us that there will never be a global flood again.

People become atheists because they do not believe what God said and they do not want to be held accountable and evolution gives them an out, a world that created itself means no God, no judgment, no being held accountable. Then their heart becomes hardened until it is full of disbelief. A hardened heart can't even detect the spiritual, it becomes foolishness to them and the physical becomes all.
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Likewise, creation is perceived as foolishness. Is the miracle of creation any more difficult to God than the miracle of virgin birth and life after death? I don't think so.

Evolution is the teaching of Satan.
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
I believed it for 25 years of my life until I was shown the truth.

quoting the bible that could easily apply to your own words isn't helping your situation, your the one going against what gods creation shows, and using your flawed human understanding of the bible. I will stick with what I can actually see and understand in the world, as that isn't corrupted by human understanding. Argue all you want, all creationists do is make atheist and make a mockery of Christainity.

 

[AV1611VET]

Argue all you want, all creationists do is make atheist and make a mockery of Christainity.

Please tell me where the angels came from, and what their scientific name is.

 

[coffee4u]

You arguing will create atheist, keep it up if that is your goal, anyone with a modicum of understanding of evolution will just look at what you say as a joke. they are transitions because thats what they literally are, again, you want to prove they are not, find something that doesn't fit the evolutionary tree, arguing with your flawed understanding of evolution or the world, and terrible arguments will get you no where. Creationists are seen as jokes and your not helping.

So the idea is to teach falsehoods to catch atheists. You think by agreeing with a lie will help you to bring people to God.

So how do you teach these verses?

Genesis 2:7
Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Romans 5:12-21
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Timothy 2:13-14

13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

1 Corinthians 15:45

45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”a]">[a]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:47
The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.

Mark 10:6-12

6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Creation, it isn't just Genesis, it's all through the Bible. If I was a seeker reading and asked you about Romans 5:12-21 what will you tell me?

My guess is you don't have any answers except to call me a joke. A lot easier to do than have some real answers to God's word.

 

[coffee4u]

quoting the bible that could easily apply to your own words isn't helping your situation, your the one going against what gods creation shows, and using your flawed human understanding of the bible. I will stick with what I can actually see and understand in the world, as that isn't corrupted by human understanding. Argue all you want, all creationists do is make atheist and make a mockery of Christainity.

So the Bible isn't God's word then?

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them
I can see that is very difficult to interpret. Tell me what it means then.

I would love a real answer to even one of those verses that I posted above.

If your position is scriptural and Biblical then you will have no issue with any of those verses.

 

[loveofourlord]

So the idea is to teach falsehoods to catch atheists. You think by agreeing with a lie will help you to bring people to God.

So how do you teach these verses?

Genesis 2:7
Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Romans 5:12-21
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Timothy 2:13-14

13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

1 Corinthians 15:45

45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”a]">[a]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:47
The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.

Mark 10:6-12

6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Creation, it isn't just Genesis, it's all through the Bible. If I was a seeker reading and asked you about Romans 5:12-21 what will you tell me?

My guess is you don't have any answers except to call me a joke. A lot easier to do than have some real answers to God's word.

No to teach reality and truth rather then something you feel you must to keep true to the bible even if you must deny the reality of gods creation. Your arguments are so childish no atheist or even most Christians that understand evolution are going to accept. You want to bring people to Jesus then teaching blantantly false ideas about reality won't get you anywhere.

 

[loveofourlord]

So the Bible isn't God's word then?

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them
I can see that is very difficult to interpret. Tell me what it means then.

I would love a real answer to even one of those verses that I posted above.

If your position is scriptural and Biblical then you will have no issue with any of those verses.

Your assuming those verses are to be taken 100% iterally, I assume you don't accept the verses that just as blatantly speak of the earth being flat as the way the world is. Yet you want to take other verses and conform them just as easily to your understanding of the bible. Evolution is a fact, I understand it too well to reject it, so it's either realize the understanding of the bible is wrong, or chritianity is false, there is no third option. And no childish UHUH's are not valid arguments against evolution, were not 5th graders and make silly childish arguments.

 

[coffee4u]

No to teach reality and truth rather then something you feel you must to keep true to the bible even if you must deny the reality of gods creation. Your arguments are so childish no atheist or even most Christians that understand evolution are going to accept. You want to bring people to Jesus then teaching blantantly false ideas about reality won't get you anywhere.

How do you plan to teach those verses?