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[MOVED] Denying God's Creation because we prefer the darkness

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You denied my faith and the faith of close on two billion Christians like me, not to mention the faith of billions more who have gone to their reward before us.
As the Bible says ...

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Is this faith that he is denying being GENERATED by the word of God; or is this faith that he is denying simply a belief that is being defended to the death?

If it is the former, can you give me chapter and verse that generates this faith?
 
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As the Bible says ...

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Is this faith that he is denying being GENERATED by the word of God; or is this faith that he is denying simply a belief that is being defended to the death?

If it is the former, can you give me chapter and verse that generates this faith?
Wait a second, does that mean if faith does not come by hearing and reading the Bible that it is not the word of God?


To have evidence you need more than confirmation bias.
 
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As the Bible says ...

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Is that even a full sentence? It feels like there is something missing here.
 
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To have evidence you need more than confirmation bias.
Will a sixth sense do?

Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
 
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Is that even a full sentence? It feels like there is something missing here.
The more you read and study the word of God, the more faith you get.
 
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Will a sixth sense do?

Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
A good movie, but no help there:

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The more you read and study the word of God, the more faith you get.

Remember what I said about testability? This seems to be a false claim since I know of countless that have read and studied the Bible to no end and they have no faith at all. In fact one of my favorites will gladly point out that faith is not a pathway to the truth. Perhaps you should call him some day.
 
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This seems to be a false claim since I know of countless that have read and studied the Bible to no end and they have no faith at all.
That's their fault.
 
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Dodging is admitting that you are wrong. Try again.
It's not dodging.

There's an old saying:

Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

When you learn how to tell how a baseball is round, you'll learn how to tell if the earth is round.
 
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The Order of Creation...

Why is nature in such pristine order? Why does it have such enduring structure?

To think nature could have unfolded in an infinity of ways, and it manifests in such a way to house and nourish creatures like humans, so that humans are able to flourish and reflect on their place in the creation with stories and symbolism.

Out of all of nature's possible motions and manifestations, it winds up producing the earth carrying humans obsessed with the immaterial realm of philosophy, justice, law, etc... Really? You think that just happened? To know we are humans reflecting on order and truth and origins... on this special life-giving planet. Can you not see the truth staring you right in the face?

Human Beings...

To think there are beings on this earth who reflect on their origins, who obsess over philosophy and cosmology and metaphysics of the universe... Human that are obsessed with morality and ethics, surrounding themselves in narratives of good versus evil, and the application of something called Justice. Humans who collectively, both ancient and modern, claim knowledge of a divine supernatural Creator.

Just for these reasons alone, Humans are so self-evidently set apart from the rest of the animal kingdom. We are something else entirely different than the animals which we study. And yet, through a naturalistic lens, we can't be. Humanity and all its attributes can only be the result of material processes, like everything else. Instead of seeing the evidence of how special humans are... we cover our eyes and tell ourselves it's an illusion.

Of course, evolutionists will insist that whatever appears special was really just spit out of a primordial sea of purposeless matter and energy over billions of years like everything else. This is their creation story and so humans had to come from the same material fount that all other objects originated from. They will invoke such philosophical doozies as the Anthropic principle in order to keep this story alive...

This is what is called living in darkness. When you ignore the reality right under your nose, and instead conform it into a philosophy that says what seems apparent, is only an illusion of matter and energy over time.

Evolutionists believe swirling clouds of stardust were eventually organized into these walking and talking illusions of supreme purpose and meaning called humans. This is the darkness that results when we want to suppress the truth. This is the absurd trainwreck in our reasoning that takes place when we make war against God. We construct these metaphysical fables when we want to pretend God doesn't exist, and wish to teach others that God doesn't exist.

The darkness in our reasoning happens when we ignore basic aspects of reality that are staring us in the face. And so the evolutionists have to keep telling themselves that all the evident appearances of special preference, special attributes, are nothing but illusions upon illusions produced by their mystical fount of nature over billions of years.

The naturalistic worldview is so obviously wrong, and yet the world clings to it, because we love our darkness. We have freedom in our darkness. What wouldn't we tell ourselves in order to justify the pursuit of our lusts and desires?

Naturalism is the perfect philosophy for rationalizing away what is self-evident and obvious. It is the perfect ideology for living in darkness.

The idea of purpose, of intention in the Creation, brings with it an inherent knowledge of a supreme Authority. We hate that idea. So we reach for any contrived philosophical absurdity as a buffer to block out the light of the truth. As you read this, you're probably doing it right now... rationalizing.... rationalizing... the earth and humans only seem special, but it must all be an illusion... there is nothing special, nature has no preferences... don't try and trick me by suggesting otherwise.... *chanting* "Science.... Science.... Science...."

For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. - Romans 1:20

Thank you for sharing that - and of course your reference to Romans 1 is perfect! :)
 
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As the Bible says ...

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Is this faith that he is denying being GENERATED by the word of God; or is this faith that he is denying simply a belief that is being defended to the death?

If it is the former, can you give me chapter and verse that generates this faith?
Ah, how soon they forget. I'm a Traditional Christian, AV, not a Protestant. I don't believe "because it says so in the Bible."
 
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Ah, how soon they forget. I'm a Traditional Christian, AV, not a Protestant. I don't believe "because it says so in the Bible."
Are you bragging or complaining?
 
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It's not dodging.

There's an old saying:

Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

When you learn how to tell how a baseball is round, you'll learn how to tell if the earth is round.
Nope, it dodging, and now you are projecting. You are the one that needs to learn "how to fish". That was the purpose of the question and you know it.

What is amazing is that you do really know that evolution is fact. Your dodges confirm that.
 
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