Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
Then you deny the work and place of the Holy Spirit IMHO.Sure...we should know our history.
Besides, in my brief breakdown of the current [spiritual] dispensation, I did not elaborate on what that all means for our flesh during these times. Even though our flesh is quickened to do good works and otherwise dead to sin and the law, the law is still a guide or benchmark for keeping our flesh in check. The law was always good for that, and now is no different...except that we are no longer under it, but are free from the need. So...we do not "need" the law as in the first dispensation, but we should as much as "love" the law, because it should resonate within our soul and spirit. It is good.
Good choice of verses, Bob."what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
"this is the NEW Covenant ...I will write My LAW on their mind and heart" Heb 8:6-10
No the role of the Holy spirit isn't to lead us to law observance.Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
The role of the Spirit is to cause us to obey God's laws, Paul said that the law was spiritual (Romans 7:14), and Hebrews 11 is full of examples of people who obeyed God by faith, so walking in the Spirit and saying that the righteous live by faith (Habakkuk 2:4) are both referring to the correct way that someone should obey God's commands, not to a way of obeying God that is independent from obeying His commands. If you were to ask an Israelite what they thought sin was, they would point you to the law of Moses and the Bible defines sin as lawlessness (1 John 3:4). Christians are lawless to the extent that we think God's laws have been done away with in contradiction Jesus' words in Matthew 5:17-19.
ISAIAH 8 [16] Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.[17] And I WILL WAIT UPON THE LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.[18] Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.[19] And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?[20] TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY: IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.
For those who desire to teach the law today
." 5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. "(1 Timothy 1:5-7
Your not saying Isaiah was doin some vain jangling are you?
So let them accuse. Those who are founded in the Bible will continue to enjoy their freedom in Jesus Christ that the pro law people can't stand and are jealous of.To all,
What some mean by keeping the law is to obey the Sabbath.
But the Mosaic law written and engraved in stones was done away and is abolished in its ministration for believers. It was a ministration of condemnation and death. As Paul said in 2 Cor 3
Interestingly the Gentiles were not to be under the Mosaic law. The law and whole old Covenat was fading away and decaying and ready to vanish, why would God being gentiles under it then. Paul saw this and in dealt with the judaisers and circumcision groups who came in to spy out their liberty and bring them back under the law. All those who follow this path are similar today. They try to bring believers under the Mosaic law of ten commandements or any other laws of the old Covenant, to establish their righteousness and to keep the law. Then they will accuse believers who are in the Law of Christ that they do not keep the law of Moses and are lawless. This is wrong.
And in Acts 15 and 21 we read that the gentiles were not under the Mosaic law.
I'm not sure how you mean that, but here is my original post (to which you were commenting somewhere down the line).Then you deny the work and place of the Holy Spirit IMHO.
bugkiller
If we follow the two dispensations, the first, as of the flesh, and the second, as of the spirit (those born again of the spirit of God...i.e. first Adam, last Adam.....then we MUST consider (just as the scriptures say) that it is no longer we who live, but Christ who lives in me Galatians 2:20...and He is not lawless, but fulfills the law.
You misunderstand the letter and the Spirit, and the law of the Spirit and the law of sin and death. You misunderstand the ministration of the Mosaic law and the law of the Spirit
What are you really asking? Do you think the Church should teach people its OK to do evil?
bugkiller
It's the same Law. The only "difference" is how you approach it.You misunderstand the letter and the Spirit, and the law of the Spirit and the law of sin and death.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
The role of the Spirit is to cause us to obey God's laws, Paul said that the law was spiritual (Romans 7:14), and Hebrews 11 is full of examples of people who obeyed God by faith, so walking in the Spirit and saying that the righteous live by faith (Habakkuk 2:4) are both referring to the correct way that someone should obey God's commands, not to a way of obeying God that is independent from obeying His commands. If you were to ask an Israelite what they thought sin was, they would point you to the law of Moses and the Bible defines sin as lawlessness (1 John 3:4). Christians are lawless to the extent that we think God's laws have been done away with in contradiction Jesus' words in Matthew 5:17-19.
The rule is to let the peace of Gid rule in our hearts by faith and our rule is to live in the new creation where God works in U.S. To will and to do .Quite right.
And as in all cases with the Bible - "the details matter"
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
The role of the Spirit is to cause us to obey God's laws, Paul said that the law was spiritual (Romans 7:14), and Hebrews 11 is full of examples of people who obeyed God by faith, so walking in the Spirit and saying that the righteous live by faith (Habakkuk 2:4) are both referring to the correct way that someone should obey God's commands, not to a way of obeying God that is independent from obeying His commands. If you were to ask an Israelite what they thought sin was, they would point you to the law of Moses and the Bible defines sin as lawlessness (1 John 3:4). Christians are lawless to the extent that we think God's laws have been done away with in contradiction Jesus' words in Matthew 5:17-19.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
The role of the Spirit is to cause us to obey God's laws, Paul said that the law was spiritual (Romans 7:14), and Hebrews 11 is full of examples of people who obeyed God by faith, so walking in the Spirit and saying that the righteous live by faith (Habakkuk 2:4) are both referring to the correct way that someone should obey God's commands, not to a way of obeying God that is independent from obeying His commands. If you were to ask an Israelite what they thought sin was, they would point you to the law of Moses and the Bible defines sin as lawlessness (1 John 3:4). Christians are lawless to the extent that we think God's laws have been done away with in contradiction Jesus' words in Matthew 5:17-19.
You couldn't be more wrong.
I need to do better about memorizing these scriptures. Thanks."the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12.
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
The rule is to let the peace of Gid rule in our hearts by faith and our rule is to live in the new creation where God works in U.S. To will and to do .
Also the commands of Jesus are new and different from the law of condemnation and death . Paul said all he wrote in the Soirit was the commandment of the Lird. Unless he told us he did not specifically that he did not . Jesus would say did not Moses say yet I say .
And the law of the Spirit is different than the letter. Some twist scripture incredible to try and justify their mosaic law keeping. There is no way around 2 Cor 3 about the law on tables of stones being done awY and abolished and it being a ministration of condemnation and death . Yet some try hard to get around it. And the mosaic law was not for Gentiles on the new covenant either , acts 15 and acts 21
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?