All can see your lowdown and overly critical attitude and it counts against you.
You display great ignorance and extreme bias in your worthless opinions.
To accuse others of lying, when it is only that people question your beliefs , is a seriously bad and unchristian thing to do. All can see your lowdown and overly critical attitude and it counts against you.
The church DOES have to face the Great Tribulation, at least that part of the Church that must: Revelation 12:17
The Christians who have proved their faith, will be taken to a place of safety: Revelation 12:14
They all must be in the holy Land already before this. Proved by Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7
What you constantly do is make the Jewish people to be all of Israel. This is not correct, as they are just two of the twelve tribes. Don't say they have all rejoined now, as the great prophecy of Ezekiel 37 has NOT been fulfilled yet. Just read that chapter; the Jews surely do not fulfil Ezekiel 37:23-24.
So are the Jewish Israelis meek? You display great ignorance and extreme bias in your worthless opinions.
There are Old and New and tribulation saints, but it doesn't prove they were all the church.
The Spirit of Christ JESUS was and is the Spirit of prophecy, JESUS never spoke under hypothetical condition, absolutely, He is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent. JESUS did know the total destruction of the nation of Israel in the year 70, and the Jewish people would go to be spread around the world until 1.948, so 1.878 years of exile, without their land and without any possibility of manifestation of another messiah, in fulfilment all kind of plagues and punishments written by Moses in Deut. 28:15-68.
The return of Israel unto their land in 1.948 was permitted to fulfil other prophecies written about Israel, among which the birth of the false messiah, a Jewish and not a Gentile man, of course, in truth he is the son of perdition (he is called a son because he is a Jew and not a Gentile man), inclusive his manifestation in the days ahead is not so far from these days, in truth he must be revealed in his own time as was prophesied by Jeremiah 8: 3-7CJB : 3 All the survivors of this evil family who REMAIN wherever I have driven them will prefer death to life,” says Adonai-Tzva’ot.
4 “You are to tell them that Adonai says: ‘If a person falls, doesn’t he get up again? If someone goes astray, doesn’t he turn back?
5 Why do these people keep backsliding? Why is their backsliding so persistent?
They cling to deceit and refuse to return!
6 I listened attentively but they spoke nothing right. No one repents of his wickedness, saying, “What have I done!” Each runs off in his own direction, like a horse plunging headlong into battle.
7 Storks in the sky know their seasons; doves, swallows and cranes their migration times; but my people do not know the rulings of Adonai!
and the Apostle Paul said: (2Th.2:v.6and9to12CJB) 9 When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary (the Devil) will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders. (Yes, this powerful false messiah comes possessed by the spirit of the DEVIL, the own Satan, a former Cherub) 10 He will enable him to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth (they received not JESUS as their true Messiah) that could have saved them. 11 This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie. 12 The result will be that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken their pleasure in wickedness, will be condemned.
This will be the last punishment of the nation of the carnal Israel in the present time, in truth the FINAL and eternal punishiment of Israel.
JESUS came to his own and they received him not, they preferred Barabbas, a robber, a demon, a son of Devil, a prototype of the false messiah, instead the son of God, JESUS Christ. Jeremiah prophesied about the people of Israel saying: All the survivors of this evil family who REMAIN wherever I have driven them will prefer death to life,” says Adonai-Tzva’ot. Jer.8:3
QUOTE="jerry kelso, post: 71771832, member: 326861"]. I have already said the house of Israel would still be separated from Judah and God till the end of the tribulation Roman's 11:25-29.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
A person cannot be under the Blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the Church.
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baberean 2,
1. The church age and the kingdom age are two different times and programs.
2. Being a part of the church and being saved by the NC has no bearing on God giving positions of authorities in the kingdom.
God said in Ezekiel 36:22 that all the Jewish regathering from among the heathen and bringing them back into their land and forgiving their sins by sprinkling clean water on them and giving them a new heart and a new spirit all the way to Ezekiel 37 and David being their king etc. is not because Israel deserves it for they profaned God's name. He said he would do it for his holy name's sake. This is because his name has s on the dotted line as his promise and so the heathen would know he is Lord and that he would sanctify Israel for the heathen to see. Believe the truth for a change. Jerry kelso
The proof is in the verse:...those who keep God's Commandments and witness to Jesus.2. Revelation 12:17 is what you think is the church and that is your opinion but where is your proof?
So you would be quite happy to be called a liar?Just so you are aware, I've been seeing the same thing in you over and over again as well. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Another prime example...
Above you told Keras that it has nothing to do with ethnicity and now you say it does.
Make up your mind.
This is the type of double-talk that is necessary to make Dispensational Theology work.
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So you would be quite happy to be called a liar?
This is a Christian Forum, those who accuse other members in that manner, should be banned.
JK has in no way proved his case and he uses denigration and put down tactics to hide his lack of Biblical support for a rapture to heaven and a Jewish redemption.
Read #589.1. You haven't responded to what I said specifically that you kept accusing me saying that I didn't.
The vast multitude of Rev 7:9, are all the faithful Christians, people from every race nation and language: in Jerusalem. Why can't you read plain Words?2. I posted you the Twelve tribes of Israel in Revelation 7:9. I have not seen you say why they are the church or the sunclothed woman is the church.
I assume you meant 'in heaven'? Such a hurry to push your theories, you pile error onto error!3. Revelation 4:1; 11:18; and 19:7-10 shows the church will be in church and I have told you why in other posts. Prove those scriptures wrong.
Your writing is confused and jumbled. Try to use better English and grammar, so we don't have to decipher your posts.Revelation 20:4-6 which ends the First Resurrection is the resurrection of dead only which happen to be just those who didn't take the mark of the beast and were martyred.
Address these scriptures and try to prove them wrong.
There is no blanket Jewish redemption. Only those who have freely chosen Jesus now will be saved.4. Jewish redemption of the whole nation is connected to the KoH reign with their gifts and callings. It is because God chose them to be at the head of the nations and chose for Israel to be saved as a witness to the heathen that he will save them for his holy name's sakes Ezekiel 36:22:38; 37:16-28.
God made eternal covenants with Israel Abrahamic concerning the land Genesis 12-15. The Davidic Covenant 2 Samuel 7:13-16 and said his mercy would never depart from David's house and throne like what was done with Saul. I Chronicles 28:1-8; Romans 11:25-29. Address these scriptures on these subjects.
When I say ethnicity is not about salvation and the kingdom is by God's choice that he picked the nation who happened to be Physical Jews.
Do your words above agree with what Jesus said in the passage below?
Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
Mat 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
Mat 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Jesus told the Jewish leadership that the kingdom would be taken from them and it would be given to another nation bearing fruit, because they rejected the "chief cornerstone". Peter reveals below who is the nation that accepted the "chief cornerstone".)
Do your words above agree with the words of Peter found below?
1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
The words of those attempting to promote modern Dispensational Theology do not agree with what is plainly written in God's Word, and therefore must be rejected.
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Jesus didn't give the church the millennial kingdom gifts and callings of Israel.
Scripture does not contradict other plain scriptural teachings.What's wrong? You couldn't rebut the scriptures I gave? Of course not!
So you have to give another set to see if you can stump me. Lol!
Read #589.
The vast multitude of Rev 7:9, are all the faithful Christians, people from every race nation and language: in Jerusalem. Why can't you read plain Words?
That whole chapter describes earthly scenes, Verses 15-17 is after the Millennium.
I assume you meant 'in heaven'? Such a hurry to push your theories, you pile error onto error!
Revelation 4:1... this is just Johns temporary visit to heaven.
Revelation 11:18...Nothing about anyone going to heaven there.
Revelation 19:7-10... We are not told where the Marriage Supper will take place.
Using these scriptures in an attempt to prove a rapture, just shows how bereft of proof and how desperate are those who cling to that pretentious notion.
Your writing is confused and jumbled. Try to use better English and grammar, so we don't have to decipher your posts.
I agree with what Rev 20:4-6 plainly tells us.
There is no blanket Jewish redemption. Only those who have freely chosen Jesus now will be saved.
Isaiah 3:8-9, Isaiah 4:3-4, Isaiah 6:11-13, Zephaniah 1:18, Amos 2:4-5, Micah 2:3-5, Luke 19:27, plus many more prophesies that prove God's Judgement on Judah will destroy all unbelievers.
You still fail to allow for the truth of the House of Israel, now the Christian peoples, are the recipients of God's promises and will receive His Blessings of the holy Land and later, of Eternal life.
Scripture does not contradict other plain scriptural teachings.
You have been stumped long ago, it is just your blindness and being locked into believing false theories, that forces you to discount the indisputable truth of Jesus being the Israel and His followers the Israelites of God.
Jesus said what the fate of the apostate, atheistic, LGBT, and Jesus hating Jews will be: Luke 19:27
Jesus Christ is Israel, based on the first verse in the New Testament.
Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Christ is the head, instead of a group of people based on their DNA.
1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
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