Millennial Considerations

[iamlamad]

From a commentary on Revelation:
"...
Of course, if there is no difference between these two pieces of "good-news,"
and (if)the kingdom is the same thing as the Church or Body of Christ, then there is an end of the
whole matter; not merely of our task, but of the Bible itself.

For, if words do not mean what they say when used of a plain, literal, matter of fact like this, then words are useless for the purposes of
revelation altogether. We have concealment and confusion in its place; and an Apocrypha instead
of an Apocalypse.
But, believing in the perfection of God's words, and not merely of his Word, we submit that
we have here a first great reason for our proposition, that the Church (the body of Christ) is not the
subject of the Apocalypse.... "

I like it! Words have meaning. If they are meant to be taken literally by the Author, but people choose to take them figuratively, they end up with nonsense as doctrine.

 

[iamlamad]

If that's the best you've got then, sorry to say but that's laughable. A parable and a nebulous verse are your best evidence? Even in light of all the very clear verses that say we are dust and to the dust we will return? Really?

Laughable is right: BODIES return to dust. Souls and spirits did not come from dust and will not return to dust.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I like it! Words have meaning. If they are meant to be taken literally by the Author, but people choose to take them figuratively, they end up with nonsense as doctrine.

Well yes, it is truth, as God Says,
and as God Says, almost all the world ends up dying in their sin because of nonsense in their thinking.

(is it not nonsense to oppose the Creator! ? ! ) (God calls it foolishness I think, in His Word)

 

[LastSeven]

Laughable is right: BODIES return to dust. Souls and spirits did not come from dust and will not return to dust.

Obviously you don't even know what a soul is or what spirit is. We don't have souls, we are souls. Living bodies are souls. And not just humans, even living animals are souls. And spirit is life. When Jesus died on the cross and he gave up the "spirit" that means he gave up his life. And the life returns to God who gave it.

 

[BABerean2]

Scripture tells us the prophetic nature of His intent ; obviously humans do not live for 1900+ years so in order to bring Israel back to her land it would be the descendants of the ancient Israeli people that would be brought back to Israel -which we have seen happen in our generation
We see that not only the descendants of Israel are coming back to the land of Israel but we see that the land of Israel is now in full possession of descendants of Israel, controlling Israel and the process is nearly complete for Israel to have permanent possession and control of the land of Israel just as God said He would make happen.

If you are going to claim that the scripture says something, at least show us what scripture you are talking about.

What kind of DNA tests are you using to make the claim that the descendants of Israel are coming back to the land, as compared to the DNA of the rest of us.?

Many of us are also direct descendants of Israel, but are unaware of this fact.

There is no "permanent" possession of earthly Jerusalem, because earthly Jerusalem is not permanent. See 2 Peter 3:10-13, and Hebrews 11:15-16.


Are you replacing the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8?

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[seventysevens]

If you are going to claim that the scripture says something, at least show us what scripture you are talking about..

Are you telling us that you have no knowledge of any of the prophetic scripture where God says that He will bring back the 'descendants of Israel' back to the land of Israel ? Are you saying that you are not aware that God said that HE will bring the 'descendants of Israel' back to the land of Israel after God removed from the land of Israel?

What kind of DNA tests are you using to make the claim that the descendants of Israel are coming back to the land, as compared to the DNA of the rest of us.?.

DNA tests are not relevant to any of this , do you really think that all the families of the 'descendants of Israel' that are Jews do not know if they are Jewish and need to a take a DNA test , do you not see the multitudes of Jewish 'descendants of Israel' having come back to the land of Israel for many decades now ?

Many of us are also direct descendants of Israel, but are unaware of this fact..

irrelevant - not necessary to know the DNA and if you do not know if you are direct descendant it is again irrelevant

There is no "permanent" possession of earthly Jerusalem, because earthly Jerusalem is not permanent. See 2 Peter 3:10-13, and Hebrews 11:15-16..

I did not even discuss that . Obviously you are having a very difficult time
understanding what you read

Are you replacing the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8?.

I have not replaced anyone with anybody , again Obviously you are having a very difficult time understanding what you read.

You should reread the former post
On one hand you support Israel and on the other hand you condemn other people who support Israel without regard that it God himself making these things happen, Trying to understand why you say the things you do -

 

[Truth7t7]

Agree the church as a whole has not been a Gentile church, but that is not the point , and Gentiles became a part of the church before you say , but that is not the point either .
Scripture clearly states that as a result of Israel's rebellion and disobedience that God dispersed Israel throughout many countries , there was no hand that came down out of heaven and scooped Israel up and toss them in to other countries - it was the enemies of Israel that God used to accomplish to this.
God declared that He would bring Israel back into their land - when He decides it is time.
Scripture tells us the prophetic nature of His intent ; obviously humans do not live for 1900+ years so in order to bring Israel back to her land it would be the descendants of the ancient Israeli people that would be brought back to Israel -which we have seen happen in our generation
We see that not only the descendants of Israel are coming back to the land of Israel but we see that the land of Israel is now in full possession of descendants of Israel, controlling Israel and the process is nearly complete for Israel to have permanent possession and control of the land of Israel just as God said He would make happen.

But yet you do not accept that this is a fulfillment of God's word ; but you give credit to those such as rothchild - is rothchild friend or foe of Israel ? Was Rome friend or foe of Israel when Israel was dispersed throughout many nations ?
Did God say the specific people he would use to bring Israel back to the land of Israel ? Do you not see that you have rejected that God has fulfilled the promise He made to bring Israel back to the land of Israel? Do you not know that God said HE will put a hook in the jaw of Israel's enemies and Drag them down to wage war with Israel?
On one hand you exclaim support for Israel and on the other hand you condemn others who give support for Israel so it becomes a bit puzzling that you condemn people who show support of Israel while at the same time you show support for Israel . It seems you want only specific people of your choosing to support Israel. You acknowledge that it makes no difference if a person has the DNA of ancient Jews or not. It is no longer relevant these days as ALL people from ANY NATION who calls upon the NAME of Jesus shall be saved . The relevance of Jews coming back to Israel and all of Israel descendants coming back to the land of Israel is of great prophetic significance and importance as it is God's Word being fulfilled in This generation.
All a person needs to do to see this is to keep an eye on the events happening in Israel and other matters to see prophecy being fulfilled in our generation

It seems that all those crazy full of folly videos you watch have caused you to be unable to see what the scripture tells us as you prefer to have those crazy videos teach which brings about on one hand you support Israel and on the other hand you condemn other people who support Israel without regard that it God himself making these things happen - give some though to why God said HE will cause the nations that are enemies of Israel to be dragged down to wage war with Israel - they will be doing what God said will happen from HIS very command

Big long 2 pages of writing, and not "One Quote" from scripture?

 

[seventysevens]

Big long 2 pages of writing, and not "One Quote" from scripture?

So you are saying that you are not familiar with scripture to know these things?

Are you telling us that you have no knowledge of any of the prophetic scripture where God says that He will bring back the 'descendants of Israel' back to the land of Israel ? Are you saying that you are not aware that God said that HE will bring the 'descendants of Israel' back to the land of Israel after God removed from the land of Israel?

 

[Truth7t7]

So you are saying that you are not familiar with scripture to know these things?

Are you telling us that you have no knowledge of any of the prophetic scripture where God says that He will bring back the 'descendants of Israel' back to the land of Israel ? Are you saying that you are not aware that God said that HE will bring the 'descendants of Israel' back to the land of Israel after God removed from the land of Israel?

Post supporting scripture, as myself, Barean, jgr, LastSeven and others do?

I don't believe many maintain the gift of mind reading?

I believed as you for 20 years, attended the Baptist church, listened to 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 every Sunday and Wednesday night. Watched the "Old School" Thief In The Night Movie Series?

I believed 100% in a future pre-trib rapture and literal 1000 year millennial kingdom.

Why?

Because I never studied the scripture, I was a christian pew potato.

I have no personal feelings towards you, I see you as myself 20 years ago

Everybody walking around with a C.I. Scofield reference bible, bound leather cover, 2" thick, $50 back in the 70's alot of money.

Everybody was a prophecy teacher, Scofield unlocked the Secrets of prophecy?

I didnt have a clue who Scofield, Darby, Dallas Theological, Biola, etc were, not a clue.

 

[seventysevens]

Post supporting scripture, as myself, Barean, jgr, LastSeven and others do?

I don't believe many maintain the gift of mind reading?

I believed as you for 20 years, attended the Baptist church, listened to 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 every Sunday and Wednesday night. Watched the "Old School" Thief In The Night Movie Series?

I believed 100% in a future pre-trib rapture and literal 1000 year millennial kingdom.

Why?

Because I never studied the scripture, I was a christian pew potato.

I have no personal feelings towards you, I see myself 20 years ago

LOL , the point is as i have said before -an analogy if you take your car to an auto mechanic repair shop you will expect the mechanic will have enough knowledge -understanding and experience in his field that he will know what you mean if you say -the starting is dragging - if he does not understand what that means then it reveals that he has not the level of understanding a real professional mechanic would have .
As it is said in college -Know the Material- when people in a forum profess that they can tell others they follow a false teaching it is absolutely critical that they Know the Material so it does not have to be pointed out what scripture is being spoken of .There are many scriptures that speak of the fact that God removed the Jews from the land of Israel and the same goes for when God said He will bring them back - now if you know the bible prophecies you will know the scriptures already - meaning I should not have to point them out to you if you have a true understanding of bible prophecy - kapish ?

 

[LastSeven]

Post supporting scripture, as myself, Barean, jgr, LastSeven and others do?

I don't believe many maintain the gift of mind reading?

I believe we've all asked him to post supporting scripture now, but even in his response to you he refuses to post scripture. weird.

 

[BABerean2]

I did not even discuss that . Obviously you are having a very difficult time
understanding what you read

You said...

"we see that the land of Israel is now in full possession of descendants of Israel, controlling Israel and the process is nearly complete for Israel to have permanent possession and control of the land of Israel just as God said He would make happen."


Are you having trouble keeping up with what you have claimed?

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[Truth7t7]

LOL , the point is as i have said before -an analogy if you take your car to an auto mechanic repair shop you will expect the mechanic will have enough knowledge -understanding and experience in his field that he will know what you mean if you say -the starting is dragging - if he does not understand what that means then it reveals that he has not the level of understanding a real professional mechanic would have .
As it is said in college -Know the Material- when people in a forum profess that they can tell others they follow a false teaching it is absolutely critical that they Know the Material so it does not have to be pointed out what scripture is being spoken of .There are many scriptures that speak of the fact that God removed the Jews from the land of Israel and the same goes for when God said He will bring them back - now if you know the bible prophecies you will know the scriptures already - meaning I should not have to point them out to you if you have a true understanding of bible prophecy - kapish ?

Post scriptural reference, otherwise your arguments are silent.

 

[seventysevens]

Here is proof of what has been said many times - you do my post the same as you do scripture -which is why you get a false understanding - you ignore the entire surrounding context and selectively pick out on thing and refuse to address the whole and thusly you do not understand what has been written -
Since you refuse to acknowledge what has been asked of you twice and ignore the other matters - common sense should indicate to you that if you choose to ignore ----
I made it abundantly clear of what I was asking of you and why I asked - and as per usual you simply avoid and ignore what is asked of you and focus solely on what you want answered

You said...

"we see that the land of Israel is now in full possession of descendants of Israel, controlling Israel and the process is nearly complete for Israel to have permanent possession and control of the land of Israel just as God said He would make happen."


Are you having trouble keeping up with what you have claimed?

.

 

[seventysevens]

Post scriptural reference, otherwise your arguments are silent.

Not going to hold your hand - the point is to see if you have the knowledge and understanding of the topic of the reason why the Jews were removed from and Israel and why they have returned
You have shown you have no idea and no understanding about the topic

 

[Truth7t7]

Not going to hold your hand - the point is to see if you have the knowledge and understanding of the topic of the reason why the Jews were removed from and Israel and why they have returned
You have shown you have no idea and no understanding about the topic

Your argument is silent without scripture reference.

God's words are authority, not yours.

 

[seventysevens]

Your argument is silent without scripture reference.

It is because you have to have a specific scripture given to you because you have no knowledge of the topic - otherwise you would know exactly where the scripture is and what it says
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith ..... well that is why you can't answer it ... you can't hear it

 

[iamlamad]

Obviously you don't even know what a soul is or what spirit is. We don't have souls, we are souls. Living bodies are souls. And not just humans, even living animals are souls. And spirit is life. When Jesus died on the cross and he gave up the "spirit" that means he gave up his life. And the life returns to God who gave it.

5000 years ago, the word soul was used for a complete and live human being. But Paul used it differently as in "body, soul, and spirit. Therefore in New Testament times, soul did NOT include the body.

John used this word soul to refer to beings without their bodies. Therefore again in New Testament times "soul" did not include the body. It is you therefore that don't know the current meaning of soul. Neither do you understand the human spirit. A human spirit is a BEING created by God to last forever. Did you forget when the disciples saw Jesus walking on the water, they thought they were seeing a SPIRIT? Another word today for spirit is ghost. Demonic beings are spirits without a body.

We contact God with our spirit. We contact the world with our soul, which is our mind, intellect, emotions, etc. When Jesus died, His spirit with His soul went down to hell.

 

[iamlamad]

Post supporting scripture, as myself, Barean, jgr, LastSeven and others do?

I don't believe many maintain the gift of mind reading?

I believed as you for 20 years, attended the Baptist church, listened to 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 every Sunday and Wednesday night. Watched the "Old School" Thief In The Night Movie Series?

I believed 100% in a future pre-trib rapture and literal 1000 year millennial kingdom.

Why?

Because I never studied the scripture, I was a christian pew potato.

I have no personal feelings towards you, I see you as myself 20 years ago

Everybody walking around with a C.I. Scofield reference bible, bound leather cover, 2" thick, $50 back in the 70's alot of money.

Everybody was a prophecy teacher, Scofield unlocked the Secrets of prophecy?

I didnt have a clue who Scofield, Darby, Dallas Theological, Biola, etc were, not a clue.

It is clear, you still don't.

 

[Truth7t7]

It is because you have to have a specific scripture given to you because you have no knowledge of the topic - otherwise you would know exactly where the scripture is and what it says
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith ..... well that is why you can't answer it ... you can't hear it

Make an argument, post scripture.

post your scripture again and again and again, we have openly asked you to post scripture for your claims, you deny to do this.

Possibly you posted scripture 5 pages back, refresh our memory?