Millennial Considerations

[LastSeven]

Last response to you concerning "Soul Sleep" & "Hell"

Luke 16:19-31 is a very clear teaching on the soul departed from the body upon death.

A place of conscious comfort/torment, with knowledge of the previous physical world, "I Have Five Brothers"

2 Corinthians 5:6-8 also clearly represents the soul away from the body is present with the Lord.

I will stick with these very clear teachings.

We will disagree

If that's the best you've got then, sorry to say but that's laughable. A parable and a nebulous verse are your best evidence? Even in light of all the very clear verses that say we are dust and to the dust we will return? Really?

 

[seventysevens]

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[seventysevens]

The fact of God's plan has absolutely nothing to do with your human reasoning.

Israel Is The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed. Romans 9:6-8

The children of the flesh "Jews" these are not the children of God.

Plain and simple

God is the potter, you are the clay

5. Is the Church the Israel of God?

 

[Truth7t7]

5. Is the Church the Israel of God?

A copy and paste from Dallas Theological Cemetery?

Is it supposed to define any thing other than a Zionist statement.

 

[BABerean2]

5. Is the Church the Israel of God?

For some very strange reason Dr. Walvoord completely ignored the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

I wonder why he ignored the fulfillment of the New Covenant?

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[seventysevens]

A copy and paste from Dallas Theological Cemetery?

Is it supposed to state any thing other than a Zionist statement.

No where do you get that idea?
Precisely and exactly where do you get your scriptural teachings from as you are very critical of a lot of other sources but you never say what source you learn from
it would seem that no matter source anyone offers you are very harsh and critical of all , are you afraid to be specific where you get your teaching ?

 

[seventysevens]

For some very strange reason Dr. Walvoord completely ignored the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

I wonder why he ignored the fulfillment of the New Covenant?

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That was not the point of the writing , if you are invited to have dinner with someone and they did not have a bowl of apples on the table - would you assume they are somehow against apples ?

 

[Truth7t7]

Post deleted, unable to control/remove quote

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

From a commentary on Revelation:
"...
Of course, if there is no difference between these two pieces of "good-news,"
and (if)the kingdom is the same thing as the Church or Body of Christ, then there is an end of the
whole matter; not merely of our task, but of the Bible itself.

For, if words do not mean what they say when used of a plain, literal, matter of fact like this, then words are useless for the purposes of
revelation altogether. We have concealment and confusion in its place; and an Apocrypha instead
of an Apocalypse.
But, believing in the perfection of God's words, and not merely of his Word, we submit that
we have here a first great reason for our proposition, that the Church (the body of Christ) is not the
subject of the Apocalypse.... "

 

[BABerean2]

That was not the point of the writing , if you are invited to have dinner with someone and they did not have a bowl of apples on the table - would you assume they are somehow against apples ?

If I am invited to a Thanksgiving meal in my part of the United States and turkey is not on the table, then something must be wrong.

If the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in the Old Testament which is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and the New Covenant and the Church which are both specifically mentioned in Hebrews 12:22-24, are not found in a discussion of Israel and the Church then it is like not finding turkey on the table at Thanksgiving.

Something must be wrong...


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[seventysevens]

Don't give me that nonsense that the quote bars got messed up you deliberately falsified that post you violate the rules of the forum

 

[seventysevens]

If I am invited to a Thanksgiving meal in my part of the United States and turkey is not on the table, then something must be wrong.

If the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in the Old Testament which is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and the New Covenant and the Church which are both specifically mentioned in Hebrews 12:22-24, are not found in a discussion of Israel and the Church then it is like not finding turkey on the table at Thanksgiving.

Something must be wrong...


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The point is simple , just some information that shows the different views as to help those who have a different views, quite often you guys just post scripture without explaining how you apply it , so it is just a way to try to learn the how and why and where you get your understanding. You really give no option except for an assumption to be made as you almost never offer what you mean with scripture you post
If a person who does not know that Israel exits and is taught about Jesus salvation , then someone insists the church is Israel it would confuse them - somehow you guys seem to think ALL and everything is only about Israel , Israel rejected Jesus so the gospel of Jesus went to the gentiles and then the gentiles are combined with with part of Israel that accepts Christ - it seems you have some reverse version of replacement theology only in reverse which is a wrong as the original replacement theory

 

[BABerean2]

Israel rejected Jesus so the gospel of Jesus went to the gentiles and then the gentiles are combined with with part of Israel that accepts Christ

First you say that Israel rejected Jesus and then you say that part of Israel accepted Christ.

Make up your mind. (Romans 9:27)

On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", then as "men of Israel", and in Acts 2:36 as "all the house of Israel".
On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant found in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

When the Church began almost all of its members were Israelites.

Based on Galatians 1:14-18, Paul did not take the Gospel to the Gentiles until about 3 years after his conversion.

The true form of "Replacement Theology" replaces the one seed with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.

It replaces the children of the promise with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8.


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[seventysevens]

First you say that Israel rejected Jesus and then you say that part of Israel accepted Christ.

Make up your mind. (Romans 9:27)

On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", then as "men of Israel", and in Acts 2:36 as "all the house of Israel".
On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant found in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

When the Church began almost all of its members were Israelites.

Based on Galatians 1:14-18, Paul did not take the Gospel to the Gentiles until about 3 years after his conversion.

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Surely you know that part of Israel is called Judea which are Jews and the rest of Israel are not of Judea , Surely you know there are orthodox Jews that still reject Jesus and there are Messianic Jews that accept Jesus , if you are truly knowledgeable of this topic you would not be asking such a question
When the church began there were many gentiles as Jews and Israelite people called for Jesus to be crucified , as Israel rejected Jesus , they were commanded to go out to the gentile nations and preach to them about Jesus , many of the churches that began were of gentile people , then there was the discussion among the apostles if they should demand the gentiles in the churches in gentile nations should be required to observe the Jewish laws and traditions , and it was decided that because they were gentiles they need not be required to follow those things , There seems to be a lot of things you do not include in your teachings of the church

 

[Truth7t7]

Don't give me that nonsense that the quote bars got messed up you deliberately falsified that post you violate the rules of the forum

Sry buddy same thing as last time, double quote, I'll remove it, I have no intent to misrepresent you

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[BABerean2]

When the church began there were many gentiles as Jews and Israelite people called for Jesus to be crucified

Absolutely, not.

We find in Matthew 10:5-7 that Christ commanded his disciples to take the Gospel first to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and not to the Gentiles.

On the day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", then as "men of Israel" and in Acts 2:36 as "all the house of Israel".

On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ and became a part of the New Covenant, promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Based on Galatians 1:14-18, Paul did not take the Gospel to the Gentiles until about 3 years after his conversion.

When the Church began it was an Israelite Church.

Paul still considered himself an Israelite in Romans 11:1, even after his conversion.

The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile" Church.

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[seventysevens]

Sry buddy same thing as last time, double quote, I'll remove it, I have no intent to misrepresent you

Ok , ..you have told people before to allow 10 minutes for you to correct your posts after posting . but you seem to not do so when you make these 'mistakes' when posting to me , you need to pay attention

 

[seventysevens]

Agree the church as a whole has not been a Gentile church, but that is not the point , and Gentiles became a part of the church before you say , but that is not the point either .
Scripture clearly states that as a result of Israel's rebellion and disobedience that God dispersed Israel throughout many countries , there was no hand that came down out of heaven and scooped Israel up and toss them in to other countries - it was the enemies of Israel that God used to accomplish to this.
God declared that He would bring Israel back into their land - when He decides it is time.
Scripture tells us the prophetic nature of His intent ; obviously humans do not live for 1900+ years so in order to bring Israel back to her land it would be the descendants of the ancient Israeli people that would be brought back to Israel -which we have seen happen in our generation
We see that not only the descendants of Israel are coming back to the land of Israel but we see that the land of Israel is now in full possession of descendants of Israel, controlling Israel and the process is nearly complete for Israel to have permanent possession and control of the land of Israel just as God said He would make happen.

But yet you do not accept that this is a fulfillment of God's word ; but you give credit to those such as rothchild - is rothchild friend or foe of Israel ? Was Rome friend or foe of Israel when Israel was dispersed throughout many nations ?
Did God say the specific people he would use to bring Israel back to the land of Israel ? Do you not see that you have rejected that God has fulfilled the promise He made to bring Israel back to the land of Israel? Do you not know that God said HE will put a hook in the jaw of Israel's enemies and Drag them down to wage war with Israel?
On one hand you exclaim support for Israel and on the other hand you condemn others who give support for Israel so it becomes a bit puzzling that you condemn people who show support of Israel while at the same time you show support for Israel . It seems you want only specific people of your choosing to support Israel. You acknowledge that it makes no difference if a person has the DNA of ancient Jews or not. It is no longer relevant these days as ALL people from ANY NATION who calls upon the NAME of Jesus shall be saved . The relevance of Jews coming back to Israel and all of Israel descendants coming back to the land of Israel is of great prophetic significance and importance as it is God's Word being fulfilled in This generation.
All a person needs to do to see this is to keep an eye on the events happening in Israel and other matters to see prophecy being fulfilled in our generation

It seems that all those crazy full of folly videos you watch have caused you to be unable to see what the scripture tells us as you prefer to have those crazy videos teach which brings about on one hand you support Israel and on the other hand you condemn other people who support Israel without regard that it God himself making these things happen - give some though to why God said HE will cause the nations that are enemies of Israel to be dragged down to wage war with Israel - they will be doing what God said will happen from HIS very command

Absolutely, not.

We find in Matthew 10:5-7 that Christ commanded his disciples to take the Gospel first to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and not to the Gentiles.

On the day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", then as "men of Israel" and in Acts 2:36 as "all the house of Israel".

On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ and became a part of the New Covenant, promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Based on Galatians 1:14-18, Paul did not take the Gospel to the Gentiles until about 3 years after his conversion.

When the Church began it was an Israelite Church.

Paul still considered himself an Israelite in Romans 11:1, even after his conversion.

The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile" Church.

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[iamlamad]

Surely you know that part of Israel is called Judea which are Jews and the rest of Israel are not of Judea , Surely you know there are orthodox Jews that still reject Jesus and there are Messianic Jews that accept Jesus , if you are truly knowledgeable of this topic you would not be asking such a question
When the church began there were many gentiles as Jews and Israelite people called for Jesus to be crucified , as Israel rejected Jesus , they were commanded to go out to the gentile nations and preach to them about Jesus , many of the churches that began were of gentile people , then there was the discussion among the apostles if they should demand the gentiles in the churches in gentile nations should be required to observe the Jewish laws and traditions , and it was decided that because they were gentiles they need not be required to follow those things , There seems to be a lot of things you do not include in your teachings of the church

Good post!