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Featured Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, Aug 5, 2018.

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. I don't know

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  4. Other [please explain]

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  5. Matthew 24 all fulfilled

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  6. Matthew 24 partially fulfilled

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  7. None of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

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  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    I mean parts of Matthew 24, Mark13, Luke 21 apply specifically to that generation of the disciples.

    Other parts - key in on > after the gospel has been preached to the nations, and the time of the gentiles comes to an end - are end times, our generation.

    Just as Revelation, parts apply specifically to John's generation, the message to the church's, on how Christians are supposed to behave until Jesus comes. While other parts, Revelation 6-19 apply to the 70th week of Daniel 9, the end times. Our generation.
     
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  2. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    That is why I am harmonizing as much of the Olivet Discourse to Revelation when I can, primarily using the greek texts.
    This ties Luke 21 to Revelation perfectly, with Luke 21 being the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad. :angel:


    3195. mello a strengthened form of 3199 (through the idea of expectation); to intend, i.e. be about to be, do, or suffer something (of persons or things, especially events; in the sense of purpose, duty, necessity, probability, possibility, or hesitation):-

    Mark 13
    3 and of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives facing the Temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired of Him privately 4 Tell us! when? shall these be and what? the sign<4592>
    whenever may be being about/μέλλῃ<3195> these.


    Luke 21
    7 Yet they inquire<1905> of Him, saying, “Teacher! when? then shall these be, and what? the sign<4592>
    whenever may be being about/μέλλῃ<3195> these to becoming?


    Revelation 10:
    5 The Messenger whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up His hand to heaven
    6 and swore by Him who is living into the ages of the ages, Who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer,
    7 but in the days of the sound of the seventh Messenger, whenever He may being about/μέλλῃ<3195> to be trumpeting,

    is finished the Mystery of the God, as He declared to His servants the prophets.
     
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  3. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    In Revelation 10:7, to you, what is the Mystery of God?
     
  4. Choose Wisely

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    Sorry I didn't mean to harm your harmonazation with scriptural facts showing that the Jerusalem of Luke 21 is 70AD while the Jerusalem spoken of In Matt 24 and Mark 13 is a future Jerusalem. Please feel free to dance in the tulips and pay no attention to the briars.
     
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  5. Choose Wisely

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    Wait a minute.................
    Hello.
    Can we please just stick to the harmonizing of the Olivet Discourse?

    If you want to discuss Revelation, you are welcome to create a thread on it and thereby not derail this one.
    Thanks
     
  6. LittleLambofJesus

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    Paul explains it to the Saints here

    Colossians 1:
    26 The Mystery having been hidden from the ages and from the generations now yet was made manifest to His Saints.
    27 To-whom wills, the GOD, to make known any the riches of the glory of the Mystery, this, in the Nations
    which is Christ in ye the hope of glory.
     
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  7. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Ok...... Moving forward......


    Mark 13
    3 and of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives facing the Temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired of Him privately 4 Tell us! when? shall these be and what? the sign<4592>
    whenever may be being about/μέλλῃ<3195> these.

    Luke 21
    7 Yet they inquire<1905> of Him, saying, “Teacher! when? then shall these be, and what? the sign<4592>
    whenever may be being about/μέλλῃ<3195> these to becoming?


    4537. salpizo sal-pid'-zo from 4536; to trumpet, i.e. sound a blast (literally or figuratively):--(which are yet to) sound (a trumpet)


    Used only 2 times outside of Revelation
    Matthew 6:2 and:


    1 Corinthians 15:52
    in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, in the last trump, for He shall be trumpeting<4537>,

    and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we — we shall be changed:

    Revelation 10:
    7 but in the days of the sound of the seventh Messenger, whenever He may being about/μέλλῃ<3195> to be trumpeting,

    is finished the Mystery of the God, as He declared to His servants the prophets.
     
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  8. LittleLambofJesus

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    The following is a post from a member from another thread:

    70th Week - It Is Still Pending

    Quote: BABerean2

    Olivet Timing Revealed by Luke’s Gospel:



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  10. LittleLambofJesus

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    I am going to start posting where all 3 Gospel accts agree on the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem mentioned in the Olivet Discourse by our Lord Jesus.

    All 3 mention the Temple
    Matthew and Mark mention "buildings"
    All 3 mention, stones, and stone upon stone........
    And all 3 mention the phrase "thrown-down"

    Matthew 24:
    1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
    And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.
    2 And Jesus said to them, “ are ye not seeing all these?
    Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be being left here stone upon stone, which not shall be being thrown-down.”

    Mark 13:1
    And He going forth out of the Temple, one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings
    2 And Jesus answering said to him, “thou are beholding these, the great buildings.
    Not no may be being left here stone upon stone which not no may be being thrown-down

    Luke doesn't mention the buildings, but rather how the Temple was adorned with beautiful stones [as does Mark 13:1] and donations.
    But like Matthew and Mark, he also

    Luke 21:
    5 and of some saying concerning the Temple, that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned
    6 “These which ye are beholding.
    Shall be coming days in which not shall be being left stone upon stone here which not shall be being thrown-down

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    #3037 is mentioned in 7 verses of Revelation

    Revelation 4:3
    and He Who is sitting was in vision as a stone, jasper and sardine:
    and a rainbow was round the throne in sight like an emerald.

    Revelation 17:4
    and the Woman was arrayed with purple and scarlet-colour, and gilded with gold, and precious stone, and pearls,
    having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and uncleanness of Her whoredom,

    Revelation 18:
    12 lading of gold, and silver, and precious stone, and pearl, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyne wood, and every vessel of ivory, and every vessel of most precious wood, and brass, and iron, and marble,
    16 and saying, Woe, woe, the great City, that was arrayed with fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and gilded in gold, and precious stone, and pearls -- because in one hour so much riches were made waste!
    21 And one strong Messenger did take up a stone as a great millstone, and did cast it to the sea, saying,
    'Thus with violence shall Babylon be cast, the great City, and may not be found any more at all;

    Revelation 21:11
    11 having the glory of God, and her light is like a stone most precious, as a jasper stone clear as crystal,
    19 and the foundations of the wall of the City with every precious stone have been adorned;
    the first foundation jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, emerald; the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprasus; the eleventh, jacinth; the twelfth, amethyst.
     
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  11. LittleLambofJesus

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    I voted "NO" but agree with Dougg. Luke doesn't have a transition to the Mount of Olives , no mention of the prophet Daniel.
     
  13. LittleLambofJesus

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    Thanks for voting and posting.

    Those 2 verses in Matt and Mark are the only 2 places in the whole NT that Daniel is even mentioned.

    However, Noah is mentioned in both Matt and Luke [along with other places in the NT], but not in Mark....
    [Tho it is in Luke 17 and not Luke 21]

    Matthew 24:
    38 “For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
    39 “and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

    Luke 17:
    26 “And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:
    27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
    and the flood came and destroyed them all.
     
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  14. LittleLambofJesus

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    Matt 24 shows the Disciples
    Luke shows "some"
    Mark names 4 of the Disciples: Peter, James, John and Andrew.

    Only Matt 24 and Mark 13 of the Olivet Discourse has the "Mount of Olives".

    Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
    "mount" AND "of" AND "olives" occurs in 13 verses in YLT.

    Matthew 24:3
    Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling! to us.....
    Mark 13
    3 and of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives facing the Temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired of Him privately...

    Luke 21
    5 And as some were speaking about the Temple, that it was adorned with goodly stones and consecrated gifts, He said,
    7 Yet they inquire of Him, saying, “Teacher! .......

    37 And He was during the days in the Temple teaching, and during the nights, going forth, He was lodging at the mount called of Olives;

    Luke mentions the Mount of Olives in 2 other chapters:

    Luke 19:37
    Then, as He was now drawing near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the Disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works they had seen,

    Luke 22:39
    Coming out, He went to the Mount of Olives, as He was accustomed, and His Disciples also followed Him.

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    The phrase "Mount of Olives" is shown in 1 verse of the OT according to a Hebrew concordance.
    I could be wrong tho........

    Zechariah 14:4
    And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
    And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley;
    Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
    And half of it toward the south.

     
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  15. keras

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    As per your request, I have looked at some of the posts on this thread and re-read those 2 chapters.
    I won't vote, as I see those chapters as sequences of events, with Luke 21:1-24 referring to the early Christians, then the end times. Matthew 24:3-51 all applies to us, now in the end times.

    As I have said; I just do not read lengthy posts of scripture, esp those written in a word for word translation. We have the modern trans, I trust them to convey the correct meanings.
     
  16. AV1611VET

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    Yes ... from chapters 4 thru 19 the Church isn't mentioned.

    Why?

    It's been raptured!

    Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
     
  17. BABerean2

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    The Capital "C" Church as we use the word today is not found in the entire Book of Revelation.

    Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found.

    In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb.
    A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.

    Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, the Two Peoples of God doctrine falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


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    Not sure what all you said here, but it looked good.

    (The font color, that is). :)
     
  19. LittleLambofJesus

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    And why I am preparing a pre-rapture "last will and testament" [​IMG]

    Hebrews 9:
    15 And because of this, He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, death having taken place for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those having been called might receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.16 For where there is a will, it is necessary to establish the death of the one having made it. 17 For a will is affirmed after death, since it is not in force at the time when the one having made it is living,

    Rapture Index - Latest activity indicators of when the Rapture might occur.

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    Found this site while googling "rapture will..."

    Prepare A 'Rapture Will'

    Prepare A 'Rapture Will'

    Since I firmly believe that there will be a rapture (sooner rather than later) of all faithful Christians by Jesus Christ taking all of his believers up into heaven just before mankind's final judgment it would be wise to prepare a 'rapture will'.
    A Rapture Will is where, in the event of the rapture, all of my possessions will be legally bequeath to all of my family, friends, and business associates of my choice who still don't believe in Jesus Christ and will be left behind after Jesus Christ raptures up his church into heaven.

    I am sure some talented christian lawyer could assemble such a document and it will have the added benefit of alerting unbelievers, especially those mentioned in the rapture will, of the impending calamity coming to all unbelievers when they are left behind after the rapture.
    It would be a great way to spread ones faith and belief in Jesus Christ when an unbeliever is handed a copy of a Christian’s 'rapture will' that entitles them to a share of property that the believer in Jesus Christ will invariable leave behind after the rapture has taken place.

    Additionally, you can make a 'rapture will' video that includes a testimonial of your faith in Jesus Christ (and a warning about the antichrist and the mark of the beast) so all those who are left behind are not driven to despair as there is always hope and salvation in Jesus Christ!

    If you are an unbeliever, and having read this are worried of being left behind when Jesus Christ comes for his church just before mankind’s final judgment, then just believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (God become man) and then get baptized. It's that simple!
    Then make out your own 'rapture will' and hand it to another unbeliever that you know to alert them to their horrific fate of being left behind after the 'rapture retrieval' by Jesus Christ!
     
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  20. iamlamad

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    Sorry, but that is a very very very poor exegesis of this verse. Even a beginning reader will tell us that it was JOHN caught up. Indeed, it has nothing to do with the rapture: it happened around 95 AD and John was called up for a purpose: so we could have his book to read!

    Next, if we study chapters 4 & 5, we see it was a vision of the PAST for John: John was looking into the throne room, NOT of 95 AD, but perhaps 31 AD - a time while Jesus was still on the earth. Don't take my word for it: go back and study it! Jesus does not get back into the throne room until chapter 5 when John saw the moment He arrived after He ascended - around 32 AD. Oh, it was the very moment the Holy Spirit was sent down.

    Where then IS the rapture found in Revelation? It is between the 5th seal and the 6th seal. The 5th seal is for the martyrs of the church age, and the 6th is the start of the DAY. The rapture will trigger that start of the Day of the Lord.
     
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