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Featured Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, Aug 5, 2018.

  1. Yes

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  3. I don't know

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  1. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Matthew 24:1
    And Jesus going out of the Temple<2411>
    Mark 13:1
    And of His going out<1607> of the Temple<2411>
    Luke 21:5
    and of some saying concerning the Temple<2411>
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    I put a link to each verses of Matthew 24 below, in case some one to look up individual verses.
    I include the verses of Mark 13 and Luke 21 if they are there.
    Any input from other members is welcome.
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    I have heard members on here say that Matthew 24 and Luke 21 are speaking of different timing/events.
    Some Partial Preterists view the first half of the Olivet Discourse as 70ad and the rest 2000 yrs in the future.


    The "PAROUSIA" in Matthew 24
     
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  2. LittleLambofJesus

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    All 3 mention the 70ad Temple, stones, stone upon stone- thrown down.......

    Only Matthew and Mark mention "buildings" #3619

    [These 3 verses in Matt and Mark are the only places in the Gospels plural "buildings" is used.]


    Matthew 24:1
    And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
    And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.



    Mark 13:1
    And He going forth out of the Temple,
    one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings

    Luke 21:5

    and of some saying concerning the Temple,
    that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>
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  3. EastCoastRemnant

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    When the disciples asked Jesus about His comments on the temple being destroyed, they didn't know they were asking about different events.. to them the destruction of Jerusalem was the end of the world. The answer Jesus gave was more for our understanding than theirs.
     
  4. LittleLambofJesus

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    Matthew 24:2

    And Jesus said to them, “ are ye not seeing all these?
    Amen I am saying to ye,
    not no may be being left here stone upon stone, which not shall be being thrown-down<2647>.”

    Mark 13:2
    And Jesus answering said to him, “thou are beholding these, the great buildings.
    Not no may be being left here stone upon stone which not no may be being thrown-down<2647>

    Luke 21:6
    These which ye are beholding.
    Shall be coming days in which not shall be being left stone upon stone here which not shall be being thrown-down<2647>
    [Luke 19:44]
     
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  5. LittleLambofJesus

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    Matt 24:3 "full end/consummation of the age"

    Matthew and Mark shows them on the Mount of Olives.
    Peter and James and John and Andrew are shown in Mark
    All 3 ask these 2 questions "when shall these be? and what the sign?"
    Matthew 24 has "sign of Thy parousia<2952>
    and full end of the age.
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    Matthew 24:3
    Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
    when shall these be being?
    and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end<4930> of the Age?


    Mark 13
    3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
    Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own
    4 Tell us! when these shall be?

    and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be fully concluded<4931>.


    Luke 21
    7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!
    when then shall these be being?

    And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming<1096>?

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    Coincidentally, about 40yrs after this discourse is given, the Romans siege Jerusalem and according to Josephus, the 10th Legion, along with Titus encamped on the eastern side of the City on top of the Mount of Olivet, given them a clear view of the Temple.


    Matthew 24:3

    Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives,.......................
    Mark 13
    3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,

    https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html

    "..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
    ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM


    Legion X soon joins them, making a separate camp on the Mt. of Olives, east of the city ... May 1, 70. Nissan/Xanthicus 14.

    map_legions mount of olives.jpg

    ............................

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  6. LittleLambofJesus

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    All 3 Gospels use:
    "take heed".
    "will be deceiving ye"
    "many will come in My Name"

    Matthew 24
    4 And Jesus answeing said to them: “be heeding<991> no any ye should be deceived<4105>.
    5 “For many shall be coming upon My name, saying,‘I AM the Christ,’
    and many they shall be deceiving.”


    Mark 13

    5 Yet Jesus answering, begins to be saying “be heeding no anyone ye should be deceiving<4105>.
    6 “For many shall be coming in My name, saying, 'I AM' and many they shall be deceiving<4105>

    Luke adds "the time has drawn near"........

    Luke 21:8

    The ye He said: “be heeding no ye may be being deceived<4105>.
    For many shall be coming upon My name saying that 'I Am'
    and 'The time/season<2540> has drawn nigh'.
    No then ye may be being gone after them."
     
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  7. Douggg

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    I voted "other" because it depends upon what parts of the chapters are being compared.
     
  8. LittleLambofJesus

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    "Ye will hear of battles and rumors of battles" 1st century Judea

    All 3 mention "the End".
    Matt 24:8 and Mark 13:8 has
    "All these are the beginning of sorrows.”
    Some versions leave out "pestilences" in Matt 24:7.

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    Matthew 24:6
    “Yet ye shall be being about to be hearing battles and hearings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled<2360>, for is binding to becoming,
    but not as yet the End<5056>

    Mark 13:7

    “Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and hearings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled for is binding to be becoming,
    but not as yet the End<5056>

    Luke 21:9

    “Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and tumults<181>, no may be being frightened<4422>, for is binding these to be becoming,
    but not immediately the End<5056>

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  9. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  10. LittleLambofJesus

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    Matthew 24:
    7 “For shall be being roused/raised<1453> nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
    And there will be famines, [*pestilences], and quakings in various places.
    8 “Yet all these beginning of sorrows/travails<5604>.”

    Mark 13:
    8 For shall being roused/raised<1453> nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
    And shall be being quakings various places, and there shall be being famines and disturbances<5016>.
    These beginning of sorrows/travails<5604>.”

    Luke 21:

    10 Then He said to them, “shall be being roused/riaised<1453> Nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom,
    11 Great quakings and famines and pestilences<3061> in various places. They shall be being fearful-things<5400> as<5037>
    also shall be being great signs from heaven.”
     
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  11. LittleLambofJesus

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    Matthew 24:9
    Then they shall be delivering ye up in to tribulation and shall be killing ye
    and ye shall be being hated by all of the nations because of the Name of Me


    Mark 13:9

    Yet be ye looking out yeselves!
    For they shall be delivering ye up into Sanhedrins and into Synagogues, and ye shall be being lashed<1194>

    and upon Governors and Kings to be standing on account of Me, into a witness/testimony to them.

    Luke 21:12
    Yet before all of these, they shall be laying the hands upon ye and shall be persecuting/pursuing ye,
    delivering ye up into the Synagogues and Jails,
    being led upon Kings and Governors on account of the Name of Me
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    Matthew 24:9
    9 “Then they shall be delivering ye into tribulation and they shall be killing ye,
    and ye shall be being hated by all of the nations for My name’s sake.


    Mark 13:13

    And ye shall be being hated by all [*men] for My name’s sake.
    Yet the one enduring into end, this one shall be being saved.”

    Luke 21:
    17 “And ye shall be being hated by all for My name’s sake.

    18 “and hair of head of ye not no should be perishing
     
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    Matthew 10 also shows the same event as Mar 13 and Luk 21.....
    Ezekiel 38:21 Revelation 6:4

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    Matthew 24:10
    and then shall many be stumbled, and they shall deliver up one another, and shall hate one another.

    Mark 13:12
    'And brother shall deliver up brother to death,
    and father child, and children shall rise up against parents,
    and shall put them to death,

    Luke 21:16
    'And ye shall be delivered up also by parents, and brothers, and kindred, and friends,

    and they shall put of you to death;

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    Have any of you seen "the Life of Christ in Stereo?"
    It is one of the best, in my opinion, combining of the gospels.

    It is not perfect, but it has the entire olivet discourse put together.
     
  14. LittleLambofJesus

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    Thank you. I will look at when time allows............

    Have you and/or others seen the 4fold Gospel?

    J. W. McGarvey's The Fourfold Gospel [I. Luke's Preface].
    The Fourfold Gospel J. W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton (1914)
     
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    Matthew 24:
    11 And many false prophets shall be being roused<1453> and shall be deceiving<4105> many.
    12 And because the being multiplied the lawlessness<458>, shall be being cooled<5594> the love of the many.
     
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    #5278 used only 4 times in Gospels

    Matthew 24:13
    The yet one enduring<5278> into a finish<5056>, this one shall be being saved;


    Mark 13:13
    and ye shall be being hated by all because of the Name of Me,
    the yet one enduring<5278> to a finish<5056>, this one shall be being saved.
     
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    /nvm
     
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    /nvm
     
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  19. LittleLambofJesus

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    Matthew 24:14
    and this, the Gospel of the Kingdom, shall be being proclaimed in whole the being-homed<3625>, for a testimony to all the nations,
    and then shall be arriving the end<5056>


    Mark 13:10

    and into all the nations first it is binding the Gospel to be proclaimed

    Luke 21:13

    and it shall become to you for a testimony.
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    Matthew 24 and Luke 21 use an interesting greek word, #3625.
    It is used 3 times in Revelation.

    Most translations have "world". Not really sure how to render this word.

    3625. oikoumene oy-kou-men'-ay feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by implication, of 1093); land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specially, the Roman empire:--earth, world.


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    #2050 used only in these 3 verses

    2050. eremosis from 2049; despoliation:--desolation.

    Matthew 24:15
    Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination<946> of the desolation/ἐρημώσεως<2050>.......

    Mark 13:14
    Whenever yet ye may be seeing see the abomination<946> of the desolation/ἐρημώσεως<2050>

    Luke 21:20
    Whenever yet may be seeing the Jerusalem surrounded by war-troops,
    then be knowing that come nigh desolating/ἐρήμωσις<2050> of Her
     
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