Matt 1:21 He Shall save His People

[John Mullally]

I explained who are His People. His people in the context of Salvation has nothing to do with ethnicity. Do you believe God promised to save people based on their ethnicity, the flesh ? If you do, you are in grave error friend.

In the context of salvation, God has no favorites as 1 Timothy 4:10 explains that God is the Savior of all people. Have you considered that in the NT being God's people has to do with our submission to God (Mark 3:33-35)? In 1 Timothy 4:10, Paul adds the caveat of "especially of those who believe" as salvation, which is available to all, is only received conditionally it is only received by those who believe. God is not going to force anyone to believe as the rich young ruler who Jesus loved rejected His call (Mark 10:17-27) . God is not a trickster who declares through Paul that He is the savior of all people (1 Timothy 4:10) while denying any from the possibility of receiving that salvation (as God has no unfavorites per Romans 2:11-16).

1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.​

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Mark 3:33 “Who are my mother and my brothers?” he asked. 34 Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 35 Whoever does God’s will is my brother and sister and mother.”​

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Romans 2:11 For God does not show favoritism. 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)​

Back to the basics: as Paul declares that God holds no favorites (thus dismissing the notion that God predestines anyone;s eternal outcome). Since Jesus took upon Himself the “sin of the world,” (John 1:29), His atonement is therefore available to all, though is only applied whenever people place their faith in Him, just like His illustration at John 3:14-15 of Numbers 21:6-9 shows. Before a person looked upon the serpent on a standard, was anyone healed? Before a person believes in Jesus, is anyone saved? God Himself established the condition, but Calvinists seek to revise God’s condition to imply that the atonement itself completes a transaction, in which the atonement itself does something to His favored individuals which produces faith.

John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.​

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Numbers 21:6 Then the Lord sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. 7 The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people. 8 The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.​

 

[zoidar]

I explained who are His People. His people in the context of Salvation has nothing to do with ethnicity. Do you believe God promised to save people based on their ethnicity, the flesh ? If you do, you are in grave error friend.

How do you understand this verse?

He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.
— John 1:11

If you understand it like you understand His people in Matt 1:21, then no one of His own received Him. But we know that is incorrect, since many Jews did receive Him, including the apostles. So like John 1:11, Matt 1:21 is not an individual statement, but a general statement.

 

[Brightfame52]

Being brought to Faith, or Belief of the Truth, it is part of what Christ does in Saving us from our sins, 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through/in sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

The Salvation here chosen to is specifically stated, its in the Sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth ! Its Salvation from Unbelief and believing lies !

You see, the fact of the matter is this, Christ has failed to save us from the consequences of our sins if we dont come to believe the Truth, since unbelief is nothing but a sympton of being in a lost state 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

So understand something, if we say Christ died for someone, died for their sins, and then we turn around and say that the one He died to save, dies in their sins and in unbelief Jn 8:24, we are saying, whether we realize it or not, that Christ failed to save them from their sins ! We are calling His whole Saving Campaign to save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, a failure, and that's something we will have to answer for in the Day of Judgment unless of course we are granted repentance to the acknowledgement of the Truth before that Day ! 5

 

[Brightfame52]

Have you missed that Jesus was the king of the Jews? He was not sent king of the Gentiles.

“Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.”
— Matthew 2:2

The Messiah was sent as a king and savior of the Jewish people, to save whoever among the Jewish people who received Him. Since the bulk of the Jewish people instead denied Him, God sent the gospel to the Gentiles and included Gentiles into the plan of salvation, that is to save anyone (Jew or Gentile) who receives Him.

Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son. And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited (the Jews) to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come.
— Matthew 22:1-3

Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there (Gentiles), invite to the wedding feast.’
— Matthew 22:9

You thinking in the flesh, salvation isnt premised on ethnicity. Thats respect of persons. In Matt 1:21 Salvation from sin is the context, so salvation there is by grace, nothing to do with race, ethnicity.

 

[Brightfame52]

@John Mullally

In the context of salvation, God has no favorites

False, there's an election of grace He has favored over other people, a chosen people. Thats who is spoken of in Matt 1:21, however this chosen people isn't predicated by ethnicity, but on Sovereign Will and Grace

 

[Brightfame52]

How do you understand this verse?

He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.
— John 1:11

If you understand it like you understand His people in Matt 1:21, then no one of His own received Him. But we know that is incorrect, since many Jews did receive Him, including the apostles. So like John 1:11, Matt 1:21 is not an individual statement, but a general statement.

That verse could be taken a couple of ways, His Own could be speaking of the jews or it can be speaking of any of His people yet in the flesh. Whether jew or gentile while unregenerate His people dont receive Him or believe in Him, its only His People as they have been born of God Jn 1:12-13,
When it comes to being born of God, ethnicity is a non factor in salvation Gal 6:14-15

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

 

[zoidar]

... His Own could be speaking of the jews ...

Thank you, because I don't think any theologian out there, of any denomination would disagree with this.

 

[Brightfame52]

Who are the His People referred to here ?

Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Its everyone combined , rather jew or Gentile, whom as promised here, He shall save from their sins !

 

[Brightfame52]

Thank you, because I don't think any theologian out there, of any denomination would disagree with this.

I dont see why you thanking me, I have declared your view erroneous, but you welcome.

 

[zoidar]

I dont see why you thanking me, I have declared your view erroneous, but you welcome.

I just thought it was good you understand "His own could be speaking of the Jews" as you put it. I see that as a step forward.

 

[John Mullally]

The world of Jn 1:29 is His People, He saved them from their sins, He took their sins away just like promised Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Lets get this straight the text in John 1:29 (which you quoted) does not explicitly state "His people". It states "the world". If John the Baptist meant "taking away the sins of His people", don't you think He would stated so? Why do you find the need to change the explicit word from Jesus to fit your man made Calvinist doctrine? Satan also was arrogant (quoting scripture out of content in Luke 4) and yet we see what will happened to him - this is a well meant warning. God Bless.

 

[Brightfame52]

I just thought it was good you understand "His own could be speaking of the Jews" as you put it. I see that as a step forward.

Again, you are in error, Matt 1:21 isnt about ethnic jews, no more than its about Ethiopians

 

[Brightfame52]

Lets get this straight the text in John 1:29 (which you quoted) does not explicitly state "His people". It states "the world". If John the Baptist meant "taking away the sins of His people", don't you think He would stated so? Why do you find the need to change the explicit word from Jesus to fit your man made Calvinist doctrine? Satan also was arrogant (quoting scripture out of content in Luke 4) and yet we see what will happened to him - this is a well meant warning. God Bless.

Jn 1:29 is referring to His People, Gods elect from all over the world, different races

 

[John Mullally]

Jn 1:29 is referring to His People, Gods elect from all over the world, different races

The translated text says "the sin of the world", not "the sin of the elect". John 1:29 ESV - The next day he saw Jesus coming… | Biblia There is nothing in the text about "God's elect" or "His people". If John the Baptist meant "His people" or "the elect" instead of the world at large, don't you think he would have said so? Why do you insist on modifying the word of God to support your man-made doctrine?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Heres a few verses

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said,
I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 1:22 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save his people from their sins.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only,
but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people! Now, one fold, and one Shepherd

Ephes 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

 

[Brightfame52]

Jesus He shall save His People from their sins !

Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Now the question is, just who are His People ? Many will say that His People are the ethnic jews, but that is a mistake, for that supposes ethnicity is the basis of their Salvation, which is trusting in the flesh, or confidence in the flesh. Paul wrote concerning trusting in the flesh here which he repented of Phil 3:3-5

3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Paul before he was converted based his acceptance with God on ethnicity, it was one of the confidences in the flesh. So those who suppose Jesus will save them as promised in Matt 1:21 based upon their ethnicity, being a jew, they but trust in the flesh.

So who are the His People ?

#1. They are those the Father has Chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:3-4


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

His People have an Election Union with Him made by the Father, even before the foundation. 1 Cor 1:30

30But of him[The Father] are ye in[Chosen in] Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

 

[Brightfame52]

The translated text says "the sin of the world", not "the sin of the elect". John 1:29 ESV - The next day he saw Jesus coming… | Biblia There is nothing in the text about "God's elect" or "His people". If John the Baptist meant "His people" or "the elect" instead of the world at large, don't you think he would have said so? Why do you insist on modifying the word of God to support your man-made doctrine?

Jn 1:29 refers to God People, the Elect

 

[zoidar]

Jesus He shall save His People from their sins !

Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Now the question is, just who are His People ? Many will say that His People are the ethnic jews, but that is a mistake, for that supposes ethnicity is the basis of their Salvation, which is trusting in the flesh, or confidence in the flesh. Paul wrote concerning trusting in the flesh here which he repented of Phil 3:3-5

3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Paul before he was converted based his acceptance with God on ethnicity, it was one of the confidences in the flesh. So those who suppose Jesus will save them as promised in Matt 1:21 based upon their ethnicity, being a jew, they but trust in the flesh.

So who are the His People ?

#1. They are those the Father has Chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:3-4

God has chosen those in Him for something, didn't He?

... that we would be holy and blameless before Him.
— Ephesians 1:4

Again:

In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
— Ephesians 1:7

Is your view God chose us in Him to be in Him?

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

His People have an Election Union with Him made by the Father, even before the foundation. 1 Cor 1:30

30But of him[The Father] are ye in[Chosen in] Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

 

[Brightfame52]

More on who are His People in Matt 1:21 ?

The Beloved of the Lord Chosen from the beginning !

2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

By the way, these His Chosen People are exclusively Called by the Gospel ! 5

 

[Brightfame52]

More on who are His People in Matt 1:21 ?

His People are His Sheep ! Jn 10:14,26,27

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:


Jn 21:16

He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

3Gods Sheep and People are one and the same ! Ps 79:13

So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations.


Ps 95:7

For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,

Ps 100:3

Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.


And no, all ethnic jews of the physical nation of israel were His Sheep, in fact He said this to some ethnic jews of the land of israel Jn 10:26

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 6