Matt 1:21 He Shall save His People

[zoidar]

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His People are His Sheep ! Jn 10:14,26,27

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:


Jn 21:16

He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

3Gods Sheep and People are one and the same ! Ps 79:13

So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations.


Ps 95:7

For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,

Ps 100:3

Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.


And no, all ethnic jews of the physical nation of israel were His Sheep, in fact He said this to some ethnic jews of the land of israel Jn 10:26

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 6

Mixing apples and oranges, are we?

 

[John Mullally]

More on who are His People in Matt 1:21 ?

His People are His Sheep ! Jn 10:14,26,27

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:


Jn 21:16

He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

3Gods Sheep and People are one and the same ! Ps 79:13

So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations.


Ps 95:7

For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,

Ps 100:3

Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.


And no, all ethnic jews of the physical nation of israel were His Sheep, in fact He said this to some ethnic jews of the land of israel Jn 10:26

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 6

You assume that God creates some fortunate ones as sheep and to hell with everyone else. In human terms, sheep just means follower (refer to any dictionary) - no one is created a follower - we all decide who we will follow.

Per 1 Timothy 4:10, God is the Savior of all people, even those who reject Jesus. Ask yourself, how can Paul declare that God is the Savior of all people? Under Calvinist doctrine, God has his favorites who He will save and to Hell with everyone else - thus He never intended to save many in contradiction to 1 Timothy 4:10. Thus under Calvinism. God creates many people for the purpose that they suffer eternal torment. That doctrine contradicts 1 Timothy 4:10, 1 Timothy 2:4, and slanders God as it portrays Him as malevolent.

1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.​

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So why does Paul say especially of those who believe? It is because Christ did indeed die to save all people, but only those who believe actually receive that salvation. Salvation is offered to all - that is why the Gospel is termed the good news - not the good news to some. But God does not force his love on anyone. He lets people perish, just as reluctantly as the father of the prodigal son reluctantly allowed his son to leave. That’s a very different version of Christianity than Calvinism, in which Calvinism depicts God as creating many people to go to Hell for the expressed purpose of glorifying Himself (see below). No God is Love (1 John 4;8 and 1 John 4:16) and He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 18:32 and Ezekiel 33:11). God calls all to repent (Acts 17:30) as God desires all to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4).

“…individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death, and are to glorify him by their destruction.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)​

Since Jesus took upon Himself the “sin of the world,” (John 1:29), His atonement is therefore available to all, though is only applied whenever people place their faith in Him, just like His illustration at John 3:14-15 of Numbers 21:6-9 shows. Before a person looked upon the serpent on a standard, was anyone healed? Before a person believes in Jesus, is anyone saved? God himself established the condition for salvation. If God is determining who will believe, then John 3:14-15 is misleading, as the emphasis should be on "God saving His elect" instead of man"where whoever believes" is saved. Under Calvinism, there is subjective naval gazing as to whether one feels they are elect - it becomes a confidence game. Did your recent sin indicate you are not elect? Did your pleading with God imply you are trying to save yourself? How about accepting Jesus's word in Mark 16:15-16 where He states that those who believe the Gospel and are baptized will be saved?

John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.​

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Numbers 21:6 Then the Lord sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. 7 The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people. 8 The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.​

 

[Brightfame52]

More on who are His People in Matt 1:21 ?

They are all them The Father hath gave or given to Christ !

Jn 6:39

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


Jn 17:2

As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. Of His Sheep Christ said this Jn 10:29

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Those given to Christ by His Father are His People in Matt 1:21

 

[zoidar]

More on who are His People in Matt 1:21 ?

They are all them The Father hath gave or given to Christ !

Jn 6:39

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


Jn 17:2

As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. Of His Sheep Christ said this Jn 10:29

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Those given to Christ by His Father are His People in Matt 1:21

You can make an argument that the sheep were elected and predetermined for salvation. Some hold this view to be true. The problem is when you use the expression His people (Matt 1:21) as a synonym to His sheep (John 10). This is where you go wrong. Please go back and look at how His/Your/My/Own people are used in Scripture. God bless!

 

[BBAS 64]

More on who are His People in Matt 1:21 ?

They are all them The Father hath gave or given to Christ !

Jn 6:39

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


Jn 17:2

As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. Of His Sheep Christ said this Jn 10:29

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Those given to Christ by His Father are His People in Matt 1:21

Good day,

John Gill notes:

By "his people" whom he is said to save are meant, not all mankind, though they are his by creation and preservation, yet they are not, nor will they be all saved by him spiritually and eternally; nor also the people of the Jews, for though they were his nation, his kinsmen, and so his own people according to the flesh, yet they were not all saved by him; many of them died in their sins, and in the disbelief of him as the Messiah: but by them are meant all the elect of God, whether Jews or Gentiles, who were given to him by his Father, as a peculiar people, and who are made willing in the day of his power upon them, to be saved by him in his own way. And these he saves from "their sins", from all their sins, original and actual; from secret and open sins; from sins of heart, lip and life; from sins of omission and commission; from all that is in sin, and omission upon it; from the guilt, punishment, and damning power of it, by his sufferings and death; and from the tyrannical government of it by his Spirit and grace; and will at last save them from the being of it, though not in this life, yet hereafter, in the other world, when they shall be without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing.

In Him

Bill

 

[zoidar]

Good day,

John Gill notes:

By "his people" whom he is said to save are meant, not all mankind, though they are his by creation and preservation, yet they are not, nor will they be all saved by him spiritually and eternally; nor also the people of the Jews, for though they were his nation, his kinsmen, and so his own people according to the flesh, yet they were not all saved by him; many of them died in their sins, and in the disbelief of him as the Messiah: but by them are meant all the elect of God, whether Jews or Gentiles, who were given to him by his Father, as a peculiar people, and who are made willing in the day of his power upon them, to be saved by him in his own way. And these he saves from "their sins", from all their sins, original and actual; from secret and open sins; from sins of heart, lip and life; from sins of omission and commission; from all that is in sin, and omission upon it; from the guilt, punishment, and damning power of it, by his sufferings and death; and from the tyrannical government of it by his Spirit and grace; and will at last save them from the being of it, though not in this life, yet hereafter, in the other world, when they shall be without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing.

In Him

Bill

Wow! That's a grand error by Gill. I'm surprised a respected theologian actually takes this view.

 

[BBAS 64]

Wow! That's a grand error by Gill. I'm surprised a respected theologian actually takes this view.

Good Day,

Gill is certainly not alone...

Mathew Henry:

• [2.] In the reason of that name: For he shall save his people from their sins; not the nation of the Jews only (he came to his own, and they received him not), but all who were given him by the Father's choice, and all who had given themselves to him by their own. He is a king who protects his subjects, and, as the judges of Israel of old, works salvation for them. Note, those whom Christ saves he saves from their sins; from the guilt of sin by the merit of his death, from the dominion of sin by the Spirit of his grace. In saving them from sin, he saves them from wrath and the curse, and all misery here and hereafter. Christ came to save his people, not in their sins, but from their sins; to purchase for them, not a liberty to sin, but a liberty from sins, to redeem them from all iniquity (Tit. 2:14); and so to redeem them from among men (Rev. 14:4) to himself, who is separate from sinners. So that those who leave their sins, and give up themselves to Christ as his people, are interested in the Saviour, and the great salvation which he has wrought out, Rom. 11:26.

 

[zoidar]

Good Day,

Gill is certainly not alone...

Mathew Henry:

• [2.] In the reason of that name: For he shall save his people from their sins; not the nation of the Jews only (he came to his own, and they received him not), but all who were given him by the Father's choice, and all who had given themselves to him by their own. He is a king who protects his subjects, and, as the judges of Israel of old, works salvation for them. Note, those whom Christ saves he saves from their sins; from the guilt of sin by the merit of his death, from the dominion of sin by the Spirit of his grace. In saving them from sin, he saves them from wrath and the curse, and all misery here and hereafter. Christ came to save his people, not in their sins, but from their sins; to purchase for them, not a liberty to sin, but a liberty from sins, to redeem them from all iniquity (Tit. 2:14); and so to redeem them from among men (Rev. 14:4) to himself, who is separate from sinners. So that those who leave their sins, and give up themselves to Christ as his people, are interested in the Saviour, and the great salvation which he has wrought out, Rom. 11:26.i

Hm, I quess that is only found among Calvinistic theologians? I still find it strange they choose this particular view of Matt 1:21. I see no real reason for it, other than to make it fit an already established idea.

 

[Brightfame52]

His People are those God foreknew Rom 11:1-2

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

Now God doesnt foreknow all without exception because Christ will yet tell some Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So quite naturally the them here could not have been any of the His People He foreknew of Rom 11:2

 

[Brightfame52]

You can make an argument that the sheep were elected and predetermined for salvation. Some hold this view to be true. The problem is when you use the expression His people (Matt 1:21) as a synonym to His sheep (John 10). This is where you go wrong. Please go back and look at how His/Your/My/Own people are used in Scripture. God bless!

His People in Matt 1:21 and His Sheep in Jn 10 are the same , which includes Gentiles Jn 10:16

 

[Brightfame52]

Good day,

John Gill notes:

By "his people" whom he is said to save are meant, not all mankind, though they are his by creation and preservation, yet they are not, nor will they be all saved by him spiritually and eternally; nor also the people of the Jews, for though they were his nation, his kinsmen, and so his own people according to the flesh, yet they were not all saved by him; many of them died in their sins, and in the disbelief of him as the Messiah: but by them are meant all the elect of God, whether Jews or Gentiles, who were given to him by his Father, as a peculiar people, and who are made willing in the day of his power upon them, to be saved by him in his own way. And these he saves from "their sins", from all their sins, original and actual; from secret and open sins; from sins of heart, lip and life; from sins of omission and commission; from all that is in sin, and omission upon it; from the guilt, punishment, and damning power of it, by his sufferings and death; and from the tyrannical government of it by his Spirit and grace; and will at last save them from the being of it, though not in this life, yet hereafter, in the other world, when they shall be without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing.

In Him

Bill

I agree with Gill !

 

[Brightfame52]

Hm, I quess that is only found among Calvinistic theologians? I still find it strange they choose this particular view of Matt 1:21. I see no real reason for it, other than to make it fit an already established idea.

Lol, Your view is dung theology, God promising to save based upon the flesh, ethnicity.

 

[zoidar]

Lol, Your view is dung theology, God promising to save based upon the flesh, ethnicity.

I have never said that, so I don't understand where you get that from. The promise of the Messiah was to the Jews first, but was then extended to the Gentiles.

Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.” But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.
— Matthew 15:21-28

Obviously she wasn't among the lost sheep of Israel, to whom Jesus was sent first. That is why Jesus' apostles wanted to send her away and the reason Jesus didn't answer her plead at once.

 

[Brightfame52]

I have never said that, so I don't understand where you get that from. The promise of the Messiah was to the Jews first, but was then extended to the Gentiles.

Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.” But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.
— Matthew 15:21-28

Obviously she wasn't among the lost sheep of Israel, to whom Jesus was sent first. That is why Jesus' apostles wanted to send her away and the reason Jesus didn't answer her plead at once.

Its simple, Matt 1:21 is about a promise that Jesus shall save His People from their sins, and you say that promise pertains to ethnic jews. Thats Salvation from sin based upon ones ethnicity, their physical fleshly connection to abraham. Paul calls that dung Phil 3

 

[zoidar]

Its simple, Matt 1:21 is about a promise that Jesus shall save His People from their sins, and you say that promise pertains to ethnic jews. Thats Salvation from sin based upon ones ethnicity, their physical fleshly connection to abraham. Paul calls that dung Phil 3

No, I'm not saying that! But, yes the promise of salvation was first to the Jews, a promise of salvation from sin based on faith. The promise of salvation is an offering to all people, it was offered Jews first, then extended to the Gentiles, that whoever believes will be saved. Yes, it's that simple ...

When Matt 1:21 says: "He will save His people from their sins" it means it's a promise to the Jewish people as a whole, that whoever among them believing will be saved. I have explained this over and over, still you seem to misunderstand what I say.

 

[zoidar]

His People are those God foreknew Rom 11:1-2

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

Now God doesnt foreknow all without exception because Christ will yet tell some Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So quite naturally the them here could not have been any of the His People He foreknew of Rom 11:2

Look at the context of Romans. Also here "His people" is a reference to the Jews.

but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,
— Romans 9:31-32

Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them (Israel) is for their salvation. For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
— Romans 10:1-2

But as for Israel He says, “All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” I say then, God has not rejected His people (even His people/Israel as a whole was a disobedient and obstinate people), has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
— Romans 10:21 - 11:1

 

[Brightfame52]

No, I'm not saying that! But, yes the promise of salvation was first to the Jews, a promise of salvation from sin based on faith. The promise of salvation is an offering to all people, it was offered Jews first, then extended to the Gentiles, that whoever believes will be saved. Yes, it's that simple ...

When Matt 1:21 says: "He will save His people from their sins" it means it's a promise to the Jewish people as a whole, that whoever among them believing will be saved. I have explained this over and over, still you seem to misunderstand what I say.

If you say Matt 1:21 refers to ethnic jews, then you are conditioning salvation based upon race, thats dung relgion

 

[Brightfame52]

Look at the context of Romans. Also here "His people" is a reference to the Jews.

but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,
— Romans 9:31-32

Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them (Israel) is for their salvation. For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
— Romans 10:1-2

But as for Israel He says, “All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” I say then, God has not rejected His people (even His people/Israel as a whole was a disobedient and obstinate people), has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
— Romans 10:21 - 11:1

You are basing salvation on race/flesh, that makes God a respecter of persons.

 

[zoidar]

If you say Matt 1:21 refers to ethnic jews, then you are conditioning salvation based upon race, thats dung relgion

You are basing salvation on race/flesh, that makes God a respecter of persons.

You still talk like those Jesus was sent for are the same that were saved. That is not the case! Jesus was initially sent to the Jews, to the save them from their sins, i.e. whoever among them who would receive him. But even Jesus was initially sent as a savior to the Jews, he would help and save other people as well, like the example of the Canaanite woman, since God is not a respecter of persons.

 

[Brightfame52]

His People are those He and they are all of One !

Heb 2:1111For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

The He that Sanctifieth here is none other than Jesus Christ. He sanctifies them by His Death as per Heb 10:1010 By the which will we are sanctified through for the sake of, because of. the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Also Heb 13:12

12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Now who are the sanctified in Heb 2:11 ? Its His Family His Brethren and, the Children God hath given Him Heb 2:12,13

12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Now the Children being Sanctified and the One doing the Sanctified are all of One Father

Remember Jesus said to one of His Saints Jn 20:17

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


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