Matt 1:21 He Shall save His People

[zoidar]

If 1 Tim 2:1 is about salvation yes.

You read "if it's about salvation, it's the elect", rather than looking at the context. Not the best way to read Scripture IMO.

 

[Brightfame52]

You read "if it's about salvation, it's the elect", rather than looking at the context. Not the best way to read Scripture IMO.

Yes, any scriptures regarding Gods will or desire to save anyone, no matter who it is, their social standing, race, or whatever, its in regards to the Promise Matt 1:21, see Gods will, desires are in conformity with His Purpose and Promise.

 

[OldAbramBrown]

In Mark 16:15-16, Jesus says that those who believe the Gospel and are baptized will be saved. Why do you dispute what Jesus said? Jesus said nothing about being chosen in that context. Are we to believe what Jesus said, or are we to believe that God is a trickster who offers salvation to mankind (i.e. the Gospel) while denying the capacity for many to believe? The word of God does not say that God blocks us from believing - it is only the trickster word of Calvin that proclaims that doctrine of devils.

Yes and this is because "those who believe the Gospel" are the ones who are consequently chosen. That's the way round that God's logic is.

 

[zoidar]

Yes, any scriptures regarding Gods will or desire to save anyone, no matter who it is, their social standing, race, or whatever, its in regards to the Promise Matt 1:21, see Gods will, desires are in conformity with His Purpose and Promise.

Interesting! Your friends in the Calvinistic camp John Piper and R.C. Sproul disagrees with you, but who are they anyway?

 

[Brightfame52]

Its a positive promise that Jesus will shall save His People from their sins !

Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

His people are all who belong to Him Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


And Christ Jesus came to save sinners, not make it possible 1 Tim 1:15,13

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

To save sinners like He saved the Apostle Paul, in fact thats what hes writing of in the above scripture, how He was saved from blaspheming, and persecuting and unbelief and ignorance

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

And how Christ saved Zacchaeus Lk 19:2-10


2 And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.

3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.

4 And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.

5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.

7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

You see how Christ came to seek and to save Paul and Zacchaeus, thats how He saves in one fashion or another each of them He came to save from their sins.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yes and this is because "those who believe the Gospel" are the ones who are consequently chosen. That's the way round that God's logic is.

You have it backwards, its those who are chosen that consequently are called and they believe. 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Paul writing to the Thessalonians cites the same order chosen then called and belief 2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

Interesting! Your friends in the Calvinistic camp John Piper and R.C. Sproul disagrees with you, but who are they anyway?

Dont matter what they say, 1 Tim 2:4 and Matt 1:21 are the same People who shall be saved.

 

[zoidar]

Dont matter what they say, 1 Tim 2:4 and Matt 1:21 are the same People who shall be saved.

This is a promise to every man, every woman, every single person of every people, Jew or Gentile. Yes, indeed a promise for everyone!

Seek the Lord while He may be found;
Call upon Him while He is near.
Let the wicked forsake his way
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
And let him return to the Lord,
And He will have compassion on him,
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.
— Isaiah 55:6-7

 

[Brightfame52]

This is a promise to every man, every woman, every single person of every people, Jew or Gentile. Yes, indeed a promise for everyone!

Seek the Lord while He may be found;
Call upon Him while He is near.
Let the wicked forsake his way
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
And let him return to the Lord,
And He will have compassion on him,
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.
— Isaiah 55:6-7

1 Tim 2:4 and Matt 1:21 are the same People who shall be saved.

 

[zoidar]

1 Tim 2:4 and Matt 1:21 are the same People who shall be saved.

Do you have any scholars with you on this?

 

[Brightfame52]

Do you have any scholars with you on this?

Thats doesnt matter to me, scripture is with me, or Im with scripture. Those people in Matt 1:21 and them in 1 Tim 2:4 are the same goup of folks

 

[zoidar]

Thats doesnt matter to me, scripture is with me, or Im with scripture. Those people in Matt 1:21 and them in 1 Tim 2:4 are the same goup of folks

Ok! No comments.

May God bless you and keep you! Amen!