Matt 1:21 He Shall save His People

[Brightfame52]

Jesus mission is taking on the sins of the world, that whoever believes will be saved.

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
— John 3:16-17

Jesus Mission is to save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, thats the only world He shall save, His People. Now are all the world of mankind His People ? No He doesnt die for or pray for the salvation of the entire world of mankind Jn 17:9

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

And the world of His People shall believe, they cant not believe !

 

[zoidar]

Jesus Mission is to save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, thats the only world He shall save, His People. Now are all the world of mankind His People ? No He doesnt die for or pray for the salvation of the entire world of mankind Jn 17:9

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

And the world of His People shall believe, they cant not believe !

Hm, so His people are the apostles? He only died for the apostles?

V. 9 is a reference to the apostles (those given me) seen from v. 6 and v. 12.

“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
— John 17:6

While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
— John 17:12

 

[Brightfame52]

Hm, so His people are the apostles? He only died for the apostles?

V. 9 is a reference to the apostles (those given me) seen from v. 6 and v. 12.

“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
— John 17:6

While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
— John 17:12

He died for His people which the apostles and His entire Body the Church are part of.

 

[Brightfame52]

He shall save, not maybe save, His People from their sins !2

The application of Salvation/ Redemption by Christ unto His People Matt 1:21 is seen right here Titus

2:11,14,3:4-6

11 For the grace of God that bringeth[applying] salvation hath appeared to all men,

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

That word purify is an application work effected. Its the greek verb:

katharizō =

i.to free from defilement of sin and from faults


ii.to purify from wickedness


iii.to free from guilt of sin, to purify


iv.to consecrate by cleansing or purifying


v.to consecrate, dedicate

Unto Good Works !

Titus 3:4-6

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

The words "he saved us" is application of Salvation ! The Work of the Holy Ghost renewing us is part of Christ's Applying His Salvation unto us ! Without this application He falls short of being a Saviour from sin as promised Matt 1:21 !

 

[John Mullally]

Jesus Mission is to save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, thats the only world He shall save, His People. Now are all the world of mankind His People ? No He doesnt die for or pray for the salvation of the entire world of mankind Jn 17:9

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

And the world of His People shall believe, they cant not believe !

In John 1:29, John the Baptist proclaims that Jesus came to take away the sins of the world. If Jesus's mission was only to take away some pre-chosen elect , then statement was misleading. Why can't you accept 1 Timothy 2:4 that plainly says that God wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. It is because you prefer John Calvin's unbiblical doctrine that portrays God as unjust and teaches that (a) God creates some for the expressed purpose of condemning them to eternal glory to give Himself glory even though they are not accountable for their action because (b) God has scripted all our thoughts and actions as if we are mere puppets.

“…individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death, and are to glorify him by their destruction.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)​

“We hold that God is the disposer and ruler of all things, –that from the remotest eternity, according to his own wisdom, He decreed what he was to do, and now by his power executes what he decreed. Hence we maintain, that by His providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 8)​

 

[Brightfame52]

He shall save, not maybe save, His People from their sins !3

The emphasis has been on how for Christ to be a legitimate Saviour in doing just what it was foretold He would do, Save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, to seek successfully and to save successfully that which was Lost Lk 19:10, then He would actually effect, apply His Saving Work upon them, even in them !

Here are a few scriptures that indicate just that, Titus 3:4-6

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This describes application Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Thats Application work being described !

Jer 32:39

39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

When God says that He will do something to us, and it results in us doing something good unto Him, then thats describing application work !

Jer 31:33

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The words " I will put " describes God's act of Application ! This The Lord Jesus Christ does unto each Vessel of Mercy He died for and becoming their Saviour !5

 

[Brightfame52]

In John 1:29, John the Baptist proclaims that Jesus came to take away the sins of the world. If Jesus's mission was only to take away some pre-chosen elect , then statement was misleading. Why can't you accept 1 Timothy 2:4 that plainly says that God wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. It is because you prefer John Calvin's unbiblical doctrine that portrays God as unjust and teaches that (a) God creates some for the expressed purpose of condemning them to eternal glory to give Himself glory even though they are not accountable for their action because (b) God has scripted all our thoughts and actions as if we are mere puppets.

“…individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death, and are to glorify him by their destruction.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)​

“We hold that God is the disposer and ruler of all things, –that from the remotest eternity, according to his own wisdom, He decreed what he was to do, and now by his power executes what he decreed. Hence we maintain, that by His providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 8)​

Matt 1:21 His People, and Jn 1:29 the world, are the same, the world of His People, jew and gentile !

 

[zoidar]

He shall save, not maybe save, His People from their sins !

God will save His people! You can think of it like the King will save His countrymen from the enemy. Does that mean all countrymen will be saved? No, but it's not an individual statement. It's a general statement. The Jews/His people is a category of people.

And God shall save whoever among the people who believes, not maybe, He surely will save whoever believes.

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
— John 3:16

for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
— Romans 10:13

Please don't mix the two statements: He will save His people and He will save whoever. Both statements are true.

 

[John Mullally]

Matt 1:21 His People, and Jn 1:29 the world, are the same, the world of His People, jew and gentile !

John 1:29 does not say the "world of His people". You injected "of His people" because you swallowed Calvinist doctrine and interpret scripture from that vantage point. How do you explain 1 Timothy 4:10? As that scripture clearly states the God is the Savior of all people, even unbelievers - which agrees with the plain meaning of John 1:29 and 1 Timothy 2:3-4 as stated in all major english translations. 1 Timothy 4:10 does not present a problem to most non-Calvinists, like myself, who recognize that God's gift of salvation to all mankind is only received conditionally,through faith - see also John 3:14-15. Romans 10:17 says that faith comes by hearing the Gospel and we can all choose what we listen to - as evidenced by your listening to Calvinist doctrine.

1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.​

John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.​

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Romans 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.​

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How exactly is God the Savior of all mankind, as clearly stated in 1 Timothy 4:10, if God does not desire for all people to be saved, as clearly stated in 1 Timothy 2:3-4?

1 Timothy 2:3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.​

 

[Brightfame52]

His People are those He did Federally represent, which also because of it, their sins were legally charged to Him, and this is most indicated here Heb 2:16-17

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.


Because He was the Seed of Abraham Gal 3:16, it was appropriate that the Seed of Abraham sins were charged upon Him, for He represented that People, and all who become Believers and belong to Him, are the Seed of Abraham Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise !5

 

[Brightfame52]

God will save His people! You can think of it like the King will save His countrymen from the enemy. Does that mean all countrymen will be saved? No, but it's not an individual statement. It's a general statement. The Jews/His people is a category of people.

And God shall save whoever among the people who believes, not maybe, He surely will save whoever believes.

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
— John 3:16

for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
— Romans 10:13

Please don't mix the two statements: He will save His people and He will save whoever. Both statements are true.

Yes Jesus will save His People from their sins, its 100% sure and done

 

[Brightfame52]

John 1:29 does not say the "world of His people". You injected "of His people" because you swallowed Calvinist doctrine and interpret scripture from that vantage point. How do you explain 1 Timothy 4:10? As that scripture clearly states the God is the Savior of all people, even unbelievers - which agrees with the plain meaning of John 1:29 and 1 Timothy 2:3-4 as stated in all major english translations. 1 Timothy 4:10 does not present a problem to most non-Calvinists, like myself, who recognize that God's gift of salvation to all mankind is only received conditionally,through faith - see also John 3:14-15. Romans 10:17 says that faith comes by hearing the Gospel and we can all choose what we listen to - as evidenced by your listening to Calvinist doctrine.

1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.​

John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.​

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Romans 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.​

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How exactly is God the Savior of all mankind, as clearly stated in 1 Timothy 4:10, if God does not desire for all people to be saved, as clearly stated in 1 Timothy 2:3-4?

1 Timothy 2:3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.​

The world of Jn 1:29 is His People, He saved them from their sins, He took their sins away just like promised Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[zoidar]

Yes Jesus will save His People from their sins, its 100% sure and done

You either ignored or didn't understand what I wrote. Good day!

 

[Brightfame52]

You either ignored or didn't understand what I wrote. Good day!

What you posted doesnt change anything, Christ shall save His People from their sins as Promised Matt 1:21, so good day to you too !

 

[zoidar]

What you posted doesnt change anything, Christ shall save His People from their sins as Promised Matt 1:21, so good day to you too !

Do you find somewhere else in the Gospels where "His people, My people, Your people" refers to the Elect and not only the Jews?

 

[Brightfame52]

For he shall save his people from their sins !


Whom Christ came to save was based upon a promise, for it is written:

Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

It was promised in the OT Scriptures Isa 45:17

17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Paul under inspiration preached that Jesus was according to PROMISE raised a Saviour unto Israel Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

The Jesus of the scriptures did not come to save, or offer salvation to everyone in the world, as it is falsely reported, but it was only for those given Him by the Father or those Chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The Us here is Israel to whom the Promise is made Isa 45:17

17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Also is the His People of Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

His People, or Israel that He came to save is not israel the physical descendants of Abraham, for they are not the Children of God Rom 9:8, However its the Israel the Spiritual descendants of Abraham and of Christ, men and women of all nationalities which does include some ethnic jews, yet not exclusive to them !

Remember Salvation is according to God's Promise, and Gods Promise is quite specific and particular as to whom shall be saved in the Lord ! Israel !

 

[Brightfame52]

Do you find somewhere else in the Gospels where "His people, My people, Your people" refers to the Elect and not only the Jews?

Post 190 did you understand it ?

 

[zoidar]

Post 190 did you understand it ?

Of course I understand it. It's just that you can't use the idea of Abrahams seed in Gal 3:16 and His people in Matt 1:21 interchangably. They refer to different things. They are from different contexts. Abrahams seed refers to Christ (and possibly to those belonging to Christ through faith, as Christ is the head of believers), still His people refers to the Jewish people. There is no way around it.

Thanks!

 

[Brightfame52]

Of course I understand it. It's just that you can't use the idea of Abrahams seed in Gal 3:16 and His people in Matt 1:21 interchangably. They refer to different things. They are from different contexts. Abrahams seed refers to Christ (and possibly to those belonging to Christ through faith, as Christ is the head of believers), still His people refers to the Jewish people. There is no way around it.

Thanks!

I explained who are His People. His people in the context of Salvation has nothing to do with ethnicity. Do you believe God promised to save people based on their ethnicity, the flesh ? If you do, you are in grave error friend.

 

[zoidar]

I explained who are His People. His people in the context of Salvation has nothing to do with ethnicity. Do you believe God promised to save people based on their ethnicity, the flesh ? If you do, you are in grave error friend.

Have you missed that Jesus was the king of the Jews? He was not sent king of the Gentiles.

“Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.”
— Matthew 2:2

The Messiah was sent as a king and savior of the Jewish people, to save whoever among the Jewish people who received Him. Since the bulk of the Jewish people instead denied Him, God sent the gospel to the Gentiles and included Gentiles into the plan of salvation, that is to save anyone (Jew or Gentile) who receives Him.

Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son. And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited (the Jews) to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come.
— Matthew 22:1-3

Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there (Gentiles), invite to the wedding feast.’
— Matthew 22:9